Take a provider who has about 10 dates a week (fairly low vol, right) and do the math for 1 year assuming on average $350/date.

That's $3500/wk * 52 weeks=$182,000. OK, let's assume a month's vacation. That's still $168,000 tax free!! That's a lot more than most hobbyists!! And this is for relatively low volume provider. For high volume, we're talking about what close to half a mil tax-free?? Are my numbers off or something cos these girls don't seem THAT rich.

Man, look at the power women have over men...all for what... a litlte sex.

Imagine if it went the other way around and men were the providers... shit I would take it up and be one of those retired billionaires under 40--- make that 30.

It all shows why it would be best to be reincarnated as a bonobo.

You casually dismiss cancellations, risk/reward, and health aspects, as well as numerous other social and psychological issues...and let's not forget the "freshness date stamp" aspect, after which time market forces will impose lower prices or countless hours at the gym and the plastic surgeon.

It takes a special person to make it.

There *are* male providers, btw.  Maybe you could start with a website (got any thongs?)...and a new wardrobe.  You CAN do it, if you really want to, y'know.  Would you have what it takes? (Think about it)

There are at least two problems with your accounting (actually, many more than two, but I would lose too much income to comment further [LOL!]).  First, at 10 appointments a week, you forgot to figure in the 25-50% cancellation-and-no-show rate.  Second, what do you mean, "tax-free?"  There are enough risks in this game to make that one worth taking.  I'm a well-paid "social consultant," and proud to pay my taxes!

Abby

as you so hypothetically fantasized, then it would ...

hmmm ... on 2nd thought, forget it ... this could get ugly!  LOL



"God" was most definitely "in session" when Eve was handed the "keys" to our engines!  

Well, lets see, advertising costs, clothes, makeup, maybe rent an apartment or townhome to entertain clients.  This last one is very expensive with the cost of housing in Southern California.

Maybe you could move to Amarillo, Texas and you could get a cheaper hourly rate.

I once did the math with a girl to figure a weekly rate.  What she wanted would equate to three dates a day all seven days.  Using an ordinary TER reviewer (not me, I can't do 2 cups in an hour), that equated to 42 cups plus 42 BJ's in a week.  That is a lot of wear and tear.  Assuming everyone shows up, you also have to count transit time between dates, cleaning up etc.  I also know the agency girls may have to compete for the available clients and may not have work even if they want it.

Somewhere earlier someone figured the average work span of a provider may be as little as three years particularly at that pace so they are really more like professional athletes.  Good income potential for a relatively short period of time with a lot more risk than going to the office everyday.

My .02

That is the most profound sentence you've posted so far.  Is is Ok if I use that line?  I love it.  I'm not sure that I agree 100% of the time, but I love it nonetheless.

F.

sure. just give me credit for "# 1 on the runway"  ... LOL

that one is too dear to my heart to give up!

You didn't factor in any cost of doing business.  Providers spend lots more than your average lady in the course of her business day.  To just name a few of these extra costs:

1.  Extra wear and tear on their vehicle driving from location to location.  Usually local start/stop type driving that hurts the car more.  One gal I know has her brakes replaced every 6 months.

2.  Extra cost of personal care items: soaps, shampoos, cosmetics, replacement nylons or pantyhose for runs from getting them on and off 3-4 times a day, etc.  Much much more than your average girl.

3.  Hopefully, additional medical expense for seing an OB/GYN for her own, and our protection.

4.  Maintenance of a web site, as well as any advertising they do on  adult malls and other on-line sites.

5.  Astronomical cell phone expense returning calls to clients and prospective clients.  One gal local to me told me her cell bill for last month (she was very busy) exceeded $1000.....
....And many more.

I could go on and on.  These gals, in essence are small business operators (please, no jokes about gals with implants running a BIG business!-LOL).  We, the clients, are her "Profit Centers".  All of the above are "Cost Centers".  So there is some extraordinary expense in running this business.

BTW, I have yet to meet a provider who doesn't pay taxes, at least on a some portion of their income.  If they didn't report income, they could never establish any credit. And the IRS, if they ever spent any major amount would be up their asses about tax evasion.  And that's the type of "Greek" that nobody likes!

-- Modified on 6/25/2003 7:25:20 PM

While others might debate the math, I can only wonder why you made the post.  Not saying this to draw a flame in reply or start a war of words...simply to ask the question.  I'm sure lots of really good, & I emphasize GOOD providers, make more than many guys do.  So what?  My boss made more than me, but my only concern was if he was a decent guy to work for...otherwise I'd been oughtta there in a hurry.  

I would guess that a provider's career span is somewhat limited...like a pro athelete (golf excepted where is a seniors tour), so that have to make the money while they can...unlike you or I who likely will find the income increasing fairly steadily until retirement.  

But how you spend your money is as important as what you make-- isn't it?  No different for the gals than it is for the guys.  Like anyone else, if the gals spend foolishly it's sad...as it is for the bankrupt pro athelete or would be for you or me.

...and he's forgeting aunt flo as well... 25% of the year gone, right there...

So you get a request from someone who is self employed....a writer for instance...you do as much research as you can without much help from him, but your pretty sure he's a nice person....you find a few things.....you double check it, triple check it...maybe by the time you meet you have really spent about 4 hours online trying to be sure you will be safe....spend 3 hours getting ready and travel, for a 1 hour date....8 hrs total for a successful date....the math brings you down to alot less per hour than most of you look at it with your perspective....then when it is time to go...he says something very, very stupid which makes you stand him up...you have lost alot of time, work and perhaps a different potential date....and you get accused of being a flake!

Never forget who really has the power.  Women have have the money in the world and all the pussy.  Makes the odds a little unfair.  As for us men being in the business if the tables were turned, we know we would all be broke and very horny.

And yes there are some gals in this business who watch how they spend their money and do very well. More power to them.

fortitude

It was not his intention to provide an itemized tax return of pay vs expenses.  We all have expenses!
His calculation was merely an approximation of what a provider could gross with moderate business.  I selected the word "moderate" because it accounts for the only valid argument forwarded - "cancellations" which affect the final figure.
What providers choose to spend their money on is irrelevant and in no way has anything to do with his assertion.

Respectfully

vm

Some providers work only part time and make correspondingly less money and others work seven days a week full tilt.  So I imagine the income is all over the map.  The expenses are probably all over the map depending upon how much advertising, incall vs outcall etc.  I am sure some pay taxes on none of their income, some pay on part of their income and others pay on almost all of it.  Some are good at saving money and others are not.

But other than a topic for idle speculation is it any of our business how much money each one makes?

I bet if somebody asked about your salary or how much money you made from your business you would tell them to mind their own business.

I respectfully disagree with your read of nj2's post.  The point of his post is, and I quote:

"Man, look at the power women have over men...all for what... a litlte sex."

He didn't say anything about how he or providers spend their money, but the way I read this is that he asserts that it is a very lucrative and powerful profession, and the power derives from their control of men.  I don't dispute that assertion as there is more than a little truth to it.  I simply was pointing out that his mathmatical logic is flawed.

My respects to Ember who reminded us of 2 major expenses that nj2 failed to take into consideration and I missed: 25% down time and rent on a suitable incall location.  Thank you for correcting that omission, Ember.  It was late at night when I posted and my brain was in the process of disengaging.

Oh, and BTW, cancellations and no-shows do indeed figure into the equation, and nj2 failed in that calculation as well.

-- Modified on 6/26/2003 4:31:45 AM

You summarized my point exactly.  I should have posted something like this instead of an Accounting 101 lesson. Right on target.

F.

> I bet if somebody asked about your salary or how much money you made from your business you would tell them to mind their own business.

True i probably would tell them to mind their business. But I'm not asking anybody's specific income. It's more like musing how much a lawyer makes these days, or a teacher, or whatever profession.

I agree with you. That is a pretty good assumption. I can say I make less than that a year.

BUT, remember in the world, most men make more money and have better jobs.

We are just smart and have a quick way to make fast cash!!! And yeah, you guys get lured in by our bodies.....

Enjoy, have fun...if you are real worried find a woman who does pay her taxes, she can 1099 you, so at least you get a little tax break!!

Shaye

With the exception of a website (perhaps I just haven't found it yet or she's 1 of the many blurred faces or using fake pics), you are describing my wife.

1.  Extra wear and tear on their vehicle driving from location to location.  Usually local start/stop type driving that hurts the car more.  One gal I know has her brakes replaced every 6 months.

And she always comes home with a roll of toilet paper or milk or bread or something.

The only doubts I have about that are,..... oh no, ... I saw a post about her recently,.....something about stalking like a Brontosaurus and wearing frumpy dresses and putting makeup on with a trowel,.... goodness gracious, it's my wife he was speaking of!!!

I just want to loudly reiterate the notion that we DO pay taxes, a lot of us if not most. What makes you think otherwise, and how would you like it if people were speculating about your income and tax situation on a messageboard?  

-Anya

...but 1099's go the other way (payor provides it to the payee) and, to pass IRS scrutiny, must contain a valid name and social security number or taxpayer ID (of the payee).  If I "hire" you, are you willing to give me the information you file your taxes with so I can give you a 1099 and claim the expense?

fortitude

No sir, it is your logic that is flawed.
Leaving out the distraction of the "power statement" which is a seperate issue...
His statement is one of a gross pay calculation.  Save for the argument of cancellations and I now concede, "Aunt Flo visits" which affect some more than others, no other points are relevant.  These two ponts are the only two I have seen that affect goss pay.  They deny income over the period of observed time.  
He is not talking about the bottom line.  On the contrary, it is the top line he speaks of.
Now maybe his argument might have been stronger had he focused on the bottom line, and in fact it might have dovetailed better with his tangent on "power."  But, the fact remains, expenses that providers have (or hobbiests for that matter) are as personal and varied as the playing field itself.
I'm just saying that most all the replies to his post are disputing his assertion based on disjoint logic.  Apples and oranges.

If you still don't see it that way I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Respectfully

vm

Hello.
JB the tax lawyer here.  Every bit of that income is taxable.
IF she doesn't report it (and pay tax on it), heaven help her if/when she gets audited.
Just another little problem to deal with for providers.
Cheers.

said her "Aunt Flo" was staying for a few days and she could'nt see me!!!!

LOL!

of time..... keeping their schedules as open as possible keeps them from pursuing their other careers full-throttle, full-time, or starting a new, longer-lasting career, or furthering their education....

Why not?? What are you going to do with my real information....black mail me???- LOL

IF you were a long term client, sure. What would I have to lose by that??

Shaye

I think that gifts over 10 or 11K to an individual are tax deductible! LOL.

My favorite provider(s) would wind up killing me if I did that!

Just some humor for the day!

there was a poll and most women responded that they made about 2,000 a week.  The big money is only for the major VIP gals that travel and porn stars.

They need us more than we need them.  Make them treat you well.

From talking with my other provider girlfriends, they are very  busy and "popular". We are on the classy, high end and charge $350-400 per hour, but we're not porn stars or nationally known.

On the other hand, we do have higher expenses than many escorts. Our incall apartments are in the nicest part of town; we get those Botox injections which cost $500-$750 every 3 months; memberships to gyms, tanning salons; manicures, pedicures; expensive hair color every month; yoga classes to improve our flexibility, etc.

Of course our success is not just about looking good all the time. The popular ones really do try hard to provide consistent good performance for everyone.

And my college education (including a masters) did cost me a lot of bucks too--but it also means I can talk to you on a very high level.

But then Uncle Sam takes a large part away anyway on April 15th. Aagh!

Yeah, I'm sure that some of these girls bring 2 or 3 100K.  Why do you think they choose this line of work?  Because of their clients' irresistible charm?  Ha!

However, I think it's fair, because ...

(1)  They're worth it!  Most girls I've seen have provided me with excellent, valuable service, and they're worth their weight in gold.
(2)  Easy?  Fun?  I'm not so sure.  Let's see how much fun you're having when you have fat chicks and old ladies calling you in the middle of the night.
(3)  A provider is probably only going to make this kind of income for a few years.  Say she makes a million dollars total -- now she has to spread that out over the rest of her life.  It's not that much, in the long run.  Most of her clients are making a steady 100K - 1M every year of their life.