circumventing the rule that requires a clickable link. You are not using your own password-protected website as the ad platform for the girls you represent. Their ad links are to other ad platforms like foxylists, tryst, etc., that are NOT password protected. This means that if the girl is booked through another ad platform, you are essentially cut out of the commission, right?
I think the customers here are not going to feel that "honored" about having to provide all of the personal information you seek in order to allow them to become a member. You should only feel incredibly honored if there are very many patrons out that can fully appreciate how incredibly honored you are to be able to separate them from their own privacy. Lol
Do you see the irony in asking for someone's full name, location, email, phone number and Linkedin account, and then telling them you are providing THEM with discretion? This really takes the cake on chutzpah. Lol Thanks for the entertaining and informative exchange. I thought I had seen it all.
A provider in Atlanta, Blake Lovely, had her home broken into and all of her money and electronics stolen, including her laptop.
https://twitter.com/Vipblakelovely/status/1697725962031382807
I encourage everyone to check out her thread, and send some assistance if you can. I can only imagine how difficult it must be to recover from such a setback.
I guess that in addition to the concern for a lovely companion's wellbeing , I would also express a bit of concern over the security of any sensitive client data that may have fallen into the hands of those who stole her laptop/electronics.
While absolutely nothing may come of this to affect clients, it does highlight the need for our companions to take effective measures to protect any sensitive client data they may possess/retain for when these things happen- be that through encryption of files, whatever. A password alone is not enough.
Note that I am not accusing Blake of doing anything wrong; it is just that sometimes "shit happens" and we should be prepared for it.
I believe we recently had a thread about a provider in FL whose ex-boyfriend had stolen her laptop and was threatening to doxx clients. Again, encryption of sensitive client data would have prevented that.
I wish Blake well and hope she recovers quickly. I also hope we can learn from these unfortunate situations.
Sorry she was robbed, but insurance should cover her losses. Home owners & renters insurance is mandatory. I have jewelry insurance too! Sentimental items can never be replaced.
NDA contracts are always an option. It’s always good to have an attorney who is able. Cover your own bases, just in case. What measures do you have in case your information is compromised?
An NDA doesn't help at all if information is compromised because a third party has it. I think you are confused on what a NDA is.
Just wanted to clarify so other providers / clients think that it protects anything other than the provider not speaking about anything.
This post is so backhanded shady.
It's smear-y because you absolutely are implying she didn't and using her for your little 'never send real info' campaign.
You want to go after ladies who post info or whatever, go nuts. But this....this is implying her client list is not safe and calling her out after she was robbed.
Do you see providers or just live on twitter?
I will not be responding to you again but you make TER members look so bad, consistently.
has their whole website password protected. We can't even browse the photos to see if we're interested without providing some personal information. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
My house isn't glass, its BRICK. Which is why I keep everything behind a log in.
What is more discrete than that?
My reputation for discretion is stellar and has been for over a decade.
So you complain about discretion and then you complain when a site is discreet......I get it.
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to keep your girls from being reviewed? TER generally doesn't allow reviews of ladies whose photo galleries are not accessible to the general public. That's why HX is banned and P411 had to revise their ad platform to allow a publicly accessible page with photos for each girl who has reviews. Unless there has been a change in their policy recently, how are you able to get your girls reviewed? Or do you not want them reviewed?
I have been around for so long - you can see the recent reviews left and the ones going back years. I absolutely have no problems with reviews. I think it is important for people. We never ask for them but have no issue at all.
Why would you think I wouldn't want them?
I mean we are not P411, we are a small boutique collective in Chicago and we don't have providers using us for a information page on TER.
I cannot post ads here but I can post on the message boards and get reviews.
The log in member site was not always the way we operated. However, in Chicago our reputation as well as my own (this is Elle) has reached a point where I can offer a truly discreet experience for people. Our reputation has allowed this to happen. Also, many of our providers are UTR and do not wish to be anywhere accessible on the internet.
I am honestly incredibly honored to be able to reach this point and offer this level of discretion to our patrons.
circumventing the rule that requires a clickable link. You are not using your own password-protected website as the ad platform for the girls you represent. Their ad links are to other ad platforms like foxylists, tryst, etc., that are NOT password protected. This means that if the girl is booked through another ad platform, you are essentially cut out of the commission, right?
I think the customers here are not going to feel that "honored" about having to provide all of the personal information you seek in order to allow them to become a member. You should only feel incredibly honored if there are very many patrons out that can fully appreciate how incredibly honored you are to be able to separate them from their own privacy. Lol
Do you see the irony in asking for someone's full name, location, email, phone number and Linkedin account, and then telling them you are providing THEM with discretion? This really takes the cake on chutzpah. Lol Thanks for the entertaining and informative exchange. I thought I had seen it all.
2KG is a responsible agency that participates in TER. They have an Agency Profile here where you can browse the profiles of their providers to see if you're interested without providing some personal information. They have reviews of their girls going back seven years.
Contrast 2KG with K-girl agencies. K-girls have many reviews on TER and most of them work for agencies. There are also many K-girl agencies throughout the US. How many K-girl agencies have Agency Profiles on TER? ZERO! You know why? Because K-girl agencies don't participate in TER. Because K-girl agencies don't give a shit about TER.
yet I can find one K-agency on the very first page of the agency listing. At least one other on the 2nd page. So much for attention to detail.
Kgirl agency ads are open to anyone to look at. ONE Kgirl agency tried password protection a few years ago and then, suddenly, all of the reviews for girls from that agency came down. Kgirl agencies themselves may not participate on TER, but I can guarantee you they give a shit about TER, and THAT'S why they follow the rules on making their websites accessible to the general public so that reviewers can link the ads to the reviews. So, as you put it, to contrast 2KG with Kgirl agencies, the Kgirl agencies follow the TER rules on accessible websites and 2KG doesn't. Many agencies, Kgirl and otherwise, that USED to require membership and a password for access have either changed their website to be open to the public or they are gone from TER. If this guy is not following TER rules, and access to their website requires a password, do you want to report them or should I? You are known for writing excellent problem reports that get results, so I will defer to you if you say you will do it. Otherwise, I will do it myself.
I will direct you to item 6 on the TER rules for posting a review, which includes the following language . . . .
"Remember, names of escort agencies or newspapers aren’t good enough. Classified ads are also unacceptable. Only URL or web links will pass muster."
Once again for those that don't know how the rules work . . . . 'ONLY URL OR WEB LINKS WILL PASS MUSTER." In other words, they want a clickable link that gives you full access to the website WITHOUT a password requirement. When you click 2KG''s link, all you see is blurred photos and a pitch for membership. I learned a few things while writing and posting 400+ reviews on TER.
Many have tried.
Some still have the girls ads password protected.
But I like this newfound fervor in reporting agencies who have girls behind passwords.
Say, pretty sure this interesting kgirl agency in SD is fully pwd protected and link on this page leads to a schedule.
I am looking forward to you reporting this agency. Because you will report this agency, right?
http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/dasha-386388
The link from this girls review leads straight to
The website you show should NOT be an allowed link for a review unless you can click through to the individual girl's web ad. Merely having a list of names with no other info is not enough. (I even posted this in the comments above that you responded to.) I don't know how this profile got through moderation unless it was already up before the agency started password protection. There are still many reviews that went up when the link took you to a Kgirl's ad and have not come down after an agency goes to password protection. Have you reported it? If not, why? You're supposed to be the guy clamping down on agencies, right? Password protection has suppressed business every place it has been tried. Maybe some orgs don't care if the reviews are accepted, or not.
How am I missing the point?
I said exactly the same thing as you did.
No, the profile is relatively new because the only two reviews for the girl are shown as "new". So it's not an old profile.
I asked you if you think it should be reported. You agree?Great. I think you know the reason why I pointed to this particular agency.
I also corrected you where you lied that only one kgirl agency ever put ads behind password. That is simply not true. Just over last few years you know ca-kdolls and CLL put shit behind password. Your boy Tim also always has had password protection on both of his websites, SD and OC. The oc one is less protected now. I don't understand why you are lying, but I needed to correct your false information. Thanks.
review history, you will see that I have not reviewed a girl from the OC and SD locations you refer to in seven years (at that time, these two did not have Password protection), and I have not used CLL in over three years. (As I recall, their attempt at PWP was fairly brief.) I have only encountered PWP during periods I have used them at ca-kdolls, which I still use regularly, but PWP was during a brief period during 2018-2019 while TER was dark in the US, so it didn't matter anyway because reviews of US providers were not accepted while TER was dark in the US. Time moves on, with or without you and me, so maybe it would behoove you to do a little research on which agencies I am active with before you start calling me a liar. It's reckless and does more to damage your own cred than to hurt me when ANYONE can see I haven't seen girls at three of these agencies in years. If I'm not using a particular agency, how would I know about whether or not they are using PWP? If they have recent reviews on TER, I must assume that they do not use PWP, so I thought YOU were lying when you claimed it above, but my response is to not call you a liar, but instead check the veracity of your statements, and you were correct, they seem to be getting reviews approved while still maintaining PWP.
Does this mean you have reported this to TER Admin, or do you only know how to talk the talk? Lol
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I really don't care which agencies you were active in.
When you state that on ter only one kgirl agency was password protected, when you know yourself that ca-kdolls and CLL (remember they even contacted you) both were pwd protected. And I just showed you another agency. Whether or not you're active there is irrelevant.
I didn't report it yet, I just thought it was a double standard where you went off on a non-kgirl agency for doing something kgirl agencies also have done and continue to do.
And since you were very excited to report the non-kgirl agency I figured you'd have the same enthusiasm for the kgirl agency. And itd be very ironic for you to report the agency you used to spend 30k+ in (it was named differently back then, ofc).
a special point of bringing this agency to my attention. It was your find, and you constantly spin yourself as being the guy mongers can count on to bring agencies into line, so I'm not going steal your thunder or step on your toes to report them UNLESS you just go ahead and admit publicly that you are all talk and no action and don't have the balls to do it, at which point I would be happy to step in and affirm that you are a lot of hot air and just do it myself. Of course, what a hypocrite that would make you, right? So how about it? You found it, so are you more than talk, or not? This is your chance to prove your whole persona here is not phony and that you are REALLY the monger friend you claim to be.
Of course I'll do it. What balls does reporting this shit require?
It's a pleasure for me to report the same agency owned by an asshat who keeps telling people to not give low scores or they'll be banned.
But it's telling that you don't wanna do it. Tsk tsk. It's a shame you don't wanna do it because it'd be great irony.
I do think it's quite ironic that you barked at the non-kgirl agency and gave examples of kgirl agencies as those agencies according to you have only once put shit under passwords. Lol.
I like how you spend a whole post switching the goalposts about reporting it, when you were just chastising me that my statement about a lie was untrue.
So cdl, is it a lie that only one kgirl agency has done password protection? I named you three. Do we count the scoop site as another one? Lol.
Finally, your argument that I have to report it is because I claim to be a monger friend? That makes little sense. So then because you don't want to do it, should I conclude you're not a monger friend? Does it mean because you first mentioned the other agency you have also reported them? Or did you delegate it to someone else too? So many questions.
I said there was only one using password protection at the time I was using them. As a low-volume monger, you have no concept of what it's like to see 70-80 different providers a year and then try to remember something like whether or not I needed a password at a particular agency SEVEN years ago. I cannot dispute your claim, but I HAVE NO PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE to confirm it either. If you spent as much time fucking providers as you do trying to stir shit up on this board, you might be both better informed about the business and a little more mellow. You have my response. If you don't like it, GFY. You are small potatoes here, as your review history shows.
It's true Rocket has only 29 reviews but perhaps he doesn't review every girl he sees? That's true for a lot of us. In my case, for example, I've seen at least 100 girls in Costa Rica, and Panama but I can't review any of them here for obvious reasons. But I'm still well informed about the business down there (I was in Jaco, CR, as recently as March) and am happy to share advice.
Also, you may have explained this in the past and I don't place any pejorative suggestion by asking, but why is your newest review last December? What made you stop reviewing? It doesn't sound like you've stopped seeing K-Girls. I was expecting to see more recent reviews and surprised when they simply stopped around the end of last year.
He has a long-standing history of reposting info on TER that he has merely READ on other fuckboards and end up not being from his own personal experience. Whether his number of reviews over 3 years is 29, 39, 0r 49 is irrelevant. He posts of lot of info about Kgirls on the Kgirl board that is not anything but hearsay. In fact, I called him out there today for recommending a girl he was not reviewed. I asked him why he didn't review her if he saw you, and we'll see what lame excuse he comes up with this time. If you can talk about her service using your username, why can't he review her? THAT'S an excellent question, too. He's openly referred to as our troll on the Kgirl board by MANY members, not just me.
The reason I have no reviews since December is that I've been dating a slim, beautiful civvie Chinese girl 25 years younger than me. I'm still seeing my regular Kgirls that I have known for years, but the time I need for the new girlfiend means I'm not taking on new Kgirls that I haven't seen before. Accordingly, since I do not generally review ANY provider more than once (unless something has changed in their physical appearance, attitude, menu, or skill level), consequently, I have not had anyone qualified in the past eight months to receive a new review. That may change, because I just saw a visiting Kgirl from the East Coast that I reviewed three years ago, and she is hotter than ever, so I'm considering writing a new review for her to discuss her new looks and added skills. Don't worry, I'm not going anywhere, I still have enough VIP days for several years, and if this relationship blows up, I'll replace here with a boatload (no pejorative intended) of new Kgirls which will all need reviews. Lol
I assume she knows you also fuck K-hookers. If so, may a suggest an FMF?
and said I may know someone who would be happy to do it. She said SHE would rather pick the woman so that it's someone "new" for me. She also said if SHE gets someone she knows, I won't have to pay anyone. What a selfless attitude, right? Lol
I also told her about my history with working girls, and her reaction was that she wanted me to teach her everything they do that makes them so desirable. It's a work in progress, but she's a quick study and a very enthusiastic student. I'm having the time of my life, and it seems she is, too. I've skipped (with plenty of notice, of course) a few scheduled Kgirl sessions to have a "teaching moment" with her. Lol
Thank you for the good wishes, my friend.
A well rounded education requires learning from a variety of sources and teachers with different viewpoints and backgrounds. When she is finished learning the basics, send her to Boston, a world renowned center of higher education, for more advanced training, tuition free.
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I will include a supply of free notebooks:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/porn-stars-23/brilliant-topflight-product-placement-back-to-school-shopping-198824
but there is nothing she can learn in Boston that she can't learn in SoCal. I would argue that, from a professorial perspective, there were a wider range of study subjects here from which to acquire knowledge in the first place. Lol
Maybe there should be a Rate My Professor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RateMyProfessors.com category for this.
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"I took the intro course from XXX who insisted that his way was the best and only way to learn the material. Meh. It was OK but I felt that something was lacking. Then I took the advanced course from xxxxxxxx and it was so much better! He taught me new ways of thinking about the subject matter and the world. He was very patient and extremely helpful with the homework assignments. Sometimes his explanations could be quite lengthy but the content was always spot on. If you have the attention span of a fruit fly, stay with XXX and the intro course. If you have a thirst for knowledge, take the advanced course with xxxxxxxx."
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Why not let her decide?
but there is nothing she can learn in Boston that she can't learn in SoCal. I would argue that, from a professorial perspective, there were a wider range of study subjects here from which to acquire knowledge in the first place. Lol
Sounds like you two are having a bit of fun with each other in this little discussion, but I was actually reminded of my initial experiences, and hope you don’t mind me sharing…
The first “date” I had was an absolute disaster. I had no clue what I was doing and I was nervous and awkward. My client was super shy and was also nervous, to the point where he couldn’t perform. Not knowing how to respond, I did nothing. Finally sent him on his way unfulfilled and decided this wasn’t something I was suited to do.
Fast forward a couple of years and in a new city and I decided to try again. This time I posted on a local message board and let the members know I was brand new and wanted to get started. As you might imagine I got tons of responses. One particular client stood out. I read his reviews and liked what I read. He offered to book me for two hours and show me the ropes so to speak. I knew nothing about him at all except his online presence, I was too new to even think about screening and such. Lucky for me he was awesome.
During our session he showed me things that many men enjoy. He warned me what to watch for, such as guys that might try to slip a condom off, etc. Taught me how to make sure I got paid upfront. Explained what verification most girls would do prior to meeting a stranger. Then he posted my first review.
I am incredibly grateful for the lessons I learned in that initial session that helped get me started on a positive foot. Many great sessions ensued, improving over time. The positive reviews started rolling in and this time my attempt was a resounding success!
All that to say that all kidding aside, the best teacher/class in this profession IS a great client and I think various clients can also enhance the learning experience.
Thank you so much for your lovely words!
But your silliness is on display for all.
Feeling compassion for an unfortunate event a companion is going through and also being concerned about the security of client lists are not mutually exclusive.
Criticize me when you have dug deep and sent some support to Blake, first and foremost.
My "little campaign" is about respecting and safeguarding sensitive client information. It has nothing to do with never sending real info. That is purely your assumption.
I believe the hobby should be safe for EVERYONE. So rest assured, I will continue to call out doxxings and other situations where client data is or may be at risk, along with those responsible/accountable - we can all learn from the errors of others.
because literally anyone could be hacked, which would be easier than trying to get through a PW protected laptop...but here you are "suggesting" the clients that have seen Blake should be concerned because her LT was stolen, all the while not knowing what safe guards she had in place.
EVERYONE's DATA is at RISK.
The girl was robbed and you could have just made the post about safe guards but you like to threw her under the bus passive aggressively.
confirming mongers should not provide personal information in order to rent pussy. As you say, "anyone could be hacked" and I would think that for hackers, customers involved in illegal prostitution would represent a financial opportunity if you can get ahold of a sex workers client list with detailed info about the customers. If all she has is a first name and a burner phone number, no harm can be done to the customers by hackers.
you are more than likely to get low quality high volume pussy.
If I am wrong feel free to drop some HIGH quality ladies below that only require a "name" and burner.... I eagerly await your response.
from within the last 60 days. I have been using only references for the last 14 years and only occasionally do I get a girl where that is not enough. The refs I use almost always come through for me, so most of the time, I get to see whoever I want. Sorry if I did not explain fully. I was talking about the information I will give them about myself. That is my burner hobby phone, and my first name. If that and the refs aren't good enough, then I will draw a line through her name and move on to the next name on my list.
The guys who get squeezed out of their personal information and then get doxed are usually the ones who feel there is a provider that they absolutely HAVE to see. Since there are more providers than I will ever be able to see in my remaining lifetime, there are no particular providers that I HAVE to see to the point I will compromise my personal information. I have had some high-quality pussy, including a few Ms. TERs. This approach has been working well for me for 14 years and since it's not broken, I don't need to fix it, but thank you for your input.
He didn't call out this provider though, so what's your concern here?
He was courteous in the initial post, and he didn't criticize her in any way.
Are you really that upset that he used the provider's r0bbery to say that client data should be protected?
I don't know Golden_Hampster.
But they seem like they might be a provider.
Is that the case?
At least that's what the poster wants us to believe, yes.
an alias being used by an agency owner.
about the need for safeguards like strong, unique passwords and full disk encryption (which is available built into most modern computers, or as an add-on).
You know something..... Y'all are giving the asshole thief ideas on what to do IF he has the info, and discovers this page/site.
Chances are the SOB has already pawned the laptop, and hopefully "new" owner cleaned it to resale... Yeah, the info is still there, but a really good computer dude would have to get his hands on it.
Do real good computer dudes buy used laptops? There is the concern. Real good computer dudes live in momma's basement with nothing to do except fuck around on computers.
I'd be more worried about a ladies cell phone getting compromised.