Au contraire.

What are you saying........."stop paying?"  What exactly is it you are trying to convey?

What the phrase says to me is:  I know that you are a professional, and I am a client, and I honor that state by paying you for your time and efforts, and don't expect any more than that.

and that they say this to dull the sting that comes from the harsh realization that to sleep with a hottie they HAVE to pay, but that doesn't mean that there is not a lot of truth to the saying, in as many guys do NOT want any kind of romantic entanglement due to either being already married or just not being prepared to deal with a GF or even someone they have to be "nice" to.

In my year reading these boards one of the conclusions that I have come to is that many guys, even experienced hobbyists/mongers/johns/tricks, have not come to terms with the fact that they have to pay for sex.    I don't care whether it is because they are ugly, married, not married, rich, poor, socially inept, afraid of commitment, in search of fun without strings, inexperienced with women, the fact is that if a guy is playing in this arena, he is doing it because he needs to do it at some level.   Again, where that need arises from is immaterial, it is all the same, bottom line, we are guys who need to pay for sex on some level.  I think that a failure to come to terms with that is what leads to many of the stupid posts lashing out in some way or another and demeaning women or dehumanizing them

It's a term/expression like so many others used here.  I'll admit it cuts out all the "fluff" and is as  direct statement as you'll find used. It's not one that I'll use personally.  

Who else would be so bitter?

They do not want a LTR with someone who will want things from them (other than their money).

Nice looking as well.  She's just had a few assholes put a damper on stuff.

Thanks

I don't see any problem in what when you pay me you leave. The problem is in complaining about everything, about fees, about your married miserable life. If you can't accept the fact that sex costs money, you'd better of jerking off and feeling yourself like a real man. If you paid her to leave, then that is this, you enjoyed her body, but there was no mental connection.
Sex was great, but there is nothing else to talk about. About future. So, there is no point to compare stoics to puppies. Xo

how was it? Sex good and stimulating conversation?

That's another fallacy. That "companionship" is a euphemism. No matter what she does or how she looks, are most well adjusted people going to want to do anything with someone who is miserable to be with? Is that not why most people are here to begin with? Someone just being there isn't enough, they want some enthusiasm?

No one, except maybe double amputees, needs to pay for sex. Everyone has a hand to hold their pocket pussy, right?

Not in my case, at least. I'm not paying for access to pussy. I'm confident I could get all the pussy I want, without paying for it (aside from the usual entertainment expenses like food and drink, and maybe hotel rooms).  

The closest thing I have to a GF is a hooker, and yes the sex is good AND we enjoy each other's company TYVM.

With those that don't.

That is very important to some and I apologize for omitting that.

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And then there are the "misogynist monsters" ...

As well many of the women I've known and chatted with would bail from hooking in a heartbeat if the chance to find the "right guy" and/or make enough to pay the rents comes along.  So sorry to differ with your global assessment that "the women always I CHOOSE".  Not always a real choice...and borders at times on forced servitude.

and fly in right to you.

Yes, there are guys who have to dehumanize the women they see to keep from admitting that they have to pay for sex, and then there are guys who constantly suck up to every woman they come into contact with like little puppy dogs. and then there are guys in the middle, I am quite respectful IRL and I genuinely like the vast majority of the women I see, but without the sex I wouldn't being paying them a nickel to be "nice" to me. I can flirt with any woman at any bar for free, and 90%+ are going to be "nice" to me, but 99% of them aren't ever gong to suck my dick.

Which part gave it away...that you're not a nice gal or that you're not decent looking?

I don't pay her to be with me, but that doesn't change the fact that she is a hooker, and it doesn't change the fact I like her and she likes me.  

No matter what handle you use, you will reply with any verbal diarrhea that comes to mind in order to slide the creep's favorite line in there... "We may have met".  

Maybe you don't notice this about yourself, but it's amazing how often you'll incorporate something someone said HERE, and only attribute it to some "friend" at a later date after it's been said 100 times on the internet.  

You can ask TER if I'm making this up.  I'm not...when you change your alias posts that were quoted still have your old alias there...same with PM's.    

I would never want to 'stay' in the first place, so they pay to fk, then for me to leave. In all fairness, it's easier this way, because if the guy was a boyfriend I could do what I wanted to him no matter how sinister. Guys who pay me get more respect and discretion. They can't hurt me, because they never truly had anything other than my body, but a boyfriend tends to get some of that emotional bs that comes with trying to date. Being I think more like a guy than a girl, I would never date knowing how easy this was

Misandry or Misanthropy ... oh well, it's a "M" word.

Where are you when the tricks get honest?

This was civilian life, but there's a guy I hooked up with over a year ago.  Married dude.  It was one time and he still checks in every month or so wanting to get together.  Every time my answer has been no.  Maybe if I paid him he would leave me alone??  

Most people, if they walk up to a random person and say "Hey, you having a good day?" are not going to get pepper sprayed. I mean, maybe there's some kind of epidemic happening or something, but that has not been my general impression of the world. And I don't think that has any bearing on what you pay for here. You can get sex for free, does that actually mean you're not paying for that either?  

Why bother calling them out when you can do this? lol

"Don't be  sexist. Chicks hate that."

One of the wonderful things about the human condition is that there is somebody for everybody.  Even the double amputee can find someone who is attracted enough in him to have sex with him.   My point was not hat we need to have sex or pay for sex, it was a simple observation that if a guy is paying for sex, it is because there is some circumstance in his life, his way of being, his desires or a combination thereof that have led him to fulfill his sexual desires in that way.   Sure, I could have stop having sex,  the only issue is that it would seriously detract from my enjoyment of life and I would be one cranky asshole.

Internal/external needs. My bad.

Defending a woman for cause, or even "sucking up" to certain women is fine. I have both defended and sucked up to certain women over my many years here, THAT does not make a man a mangina or a BSU.

Huh. Maybe you're right. Maybe I do compartmentalize to much.

I was thinking about this due to all the recent comments about guys who pay for overnights and longer dates because they are trying to buy friendship, they are clueless etc. etc.    Although in my comments I refer to paying for sex, that is definitely not all that I seek, I really do enjoy the companionship, particularly when I am in the presence of someone who likes to use her head.   I have always much preferred the company of women in general even though women are much more difficult to deal with.  When I got married that ended, boom, I was married and that was the end of hanging out with women.  So, in addition to a very nice supplement to my diminishing sex life at home, this activity allows me to hang out with women from time to time, it is certainly not all about the physical aspect, at least not for me.

And I am king of the manginas. Some are even beyond the tolerance of us manginas. Hell I told a few ladies off too.

but you can still be their king, your majesty. lol

They seem to have that down pat  LOL

Wow! I thought it was Charlie Sheen ... Damn!

My thoughts exactly, well, sort of ... the first time I did P4P I thought, "This is fantastic!" I might not have ever dated if I had known that it could be so good ...

there is far more to it than "paying her to leave". It might be more accurate to say I am "paying for an experience that would otherwise involve a commitment I am unwilling or unable to make" or that "I am paying for an experience with a woman who would not be interested in my willingness to commit in any case."  

it was from Charlie Sheen on Two and a Half Men.  I love it and use it often, though I know the truth.  In his case, though, I get it.  With the wealth and fame, clingers would become tiring...so he goes the pay for play route.  
 

If you have a SO, you might get laid, and probably won't get head, but after you're done she is still around, nagging, expecting you to do her honey do list, you have to listen to her bullshit. With a provider you get laid, definitely do get a great blowjob or two, and the she leaves, this you pay her to leave, it's perfect.

You are too funny!
Luv your sense of humor