There is something wrong with every1 here. From abandonment issues to survivors of abusive(yes).

What type of woman sells herself for money?
What kind of woman thinks men should pay her 2 have sex with her?
What kind of man, based on a monetary exchange, thinks he can have his way with a woman?

The possible ramifications, of this business, also are to b considered: physical abuse, verbal abuse, pyschological abuse, incarceration, STD's. Etc....

I had this conversation with someone I met through here who I would consider a friend now, he was worried about the same thing. My response is that yes, statistically the chances of a provider having been sexually assaulted or abused are very high, but that is merely because of the statistics of women in general being sexually assaulted or abused. That indicates correlation, not causation.

I feel if the lady is independent and over 25 she is an adult and she made a decision to do this. The Asian agencies scare me because I wonder if these ladies are of age and also if they knew what they were getting into. A lot of them don't even speak english.

She asked me some great questions the other night.  She has "parent" issues - her mom.

I'm reminded of the old piece of wisdom....What's the definition of a normal person? It's somebody you don't know very well. Each and every one of us has "issues".
   Surgeon, most if not all of us have given some consideration to the thoughts expressed in your post. Each then makes their own determination about how to deal with those thoughts. Some stop playing in this 'lil sandbox, some are proficient at expunging any more thoughts about it, some are rational and some are not. I believe CPA perhaps summarized this best.
   You're correct, some of the "media stuff is right". Many women, far too many women, have suffered abuse in this world. This goes for ALL women, not just those in the P4P world. And many women are not "a product of abuse" but rather have conquered the ill effects of any abuse they might have suffered from. The strongest have then gone on to make the choices in life that they desire instead of those that society at large attempts to foist on them.
   I wish you success in however you choose to deal with the issues you've raised.     Regards.....RR

Are these girls volunteering the information that they were raped? I find it hard to believe that anyone would ever bring this up during an introduction session.

Obamacare will create a new wave of providers, I'll go smack my head against a wall now. Thanks.

are you a moron, or did you just take stupid pills this morning.

BTW You would be amazed at how many of these asian women actually understand every stupid word you say, they just pretend not to so they don't have to talk to dumb white guys like you. Fucking moron. You are beyond stupid

I can promise you if people are FORCED to have health insurance that will take away the food and other essentials for many...especially single mothers with a few children, who are not getting any help.  Sure, the kids can get on Medicaid, but the mother can't...that stops one year after she has the child. For many, they are not getting any form of child support or government assistance, and many don't qualify for it even though they are not making shit.  

Here is the truth.  Of all the population.. many many many women of all professions, ethnicities, socio-economic classes have been raped or abused in their young lives.  (or adult lives)

What kind of woman does this or that? What kind of man does that or this? Normal women and men who for their own reasons do the things they do. I for one am completely sick of the bullshit of dating or a relationship, so I hobby. I get what I want and need from women who would normally not give me a second glance. The ladies I see get the income that they need for various things, perhaps College perhaps a nice house. Whatever their need is for the money is entirely not my business.

Most of them do this on their own free will. You shall find this out over time when you see enough providers.  

You talking to me? Maybe he ladies from the asian agencies are 5 years older than when they arrive on the west coast before they arrive in your backwoods shithole. When they get here they are young and there is no way of proving they are legal or not. So you fucktard who probably weighs 300 pounds plus and hasn't seen his dick in 10 years cause you're so fucking fat sitting at his computer can pretty much shut the fuck up. Godamn stupid southern crackers.

Before you put your mind in a woman's shoes ,  read the news .  
Millions of women outside the hobby have been abused and raped .
  I won't call you a mangina , you aren't smart enough to pull that off .  

You wrote: "I can't quite imagine making the decision to become a provider myself (even if I was a smoking hot 21 year old girl) unless I was really desperate for money and / or emotionally very damaged. "

and for the record I was born and raised in California. and just how the fuck do you PROVE the white girls you fuck are legal. Do you check their ID at the door? Just how fucking dumb are you anyhow? I've known literally hundreds of them over a thirty plus year period, and yes I have seen their passports. Just because they can't stand you, doesn't mean that other guys are having a great time with them, on and off the clock. You don't really think that they stay here for years without having BF's do you? Well, as stupid as you are, maybe you think they just hang upside down in the closet in their off hours, just like bats.

The asian ladies are no more trafficked than the ebony ladies all have pimps. You really are a racist piece of whitebread, aren't you?

and these "sex slaves" who pretend not to speak English just so they won't have to talk to you are more than happy to go out with me OTC. When was the last time you heard of a trafficked woman giving her pussy away? I really can't believe just how fucking stupid people who should know better really are. Racist and stupid, nice combination there, probably fat and drunk as well.

The penalties for NOT owning insurance is so de minimis that it's laughable.  It will be years...perhaps decades before anyone would be hit with a serious financial consideration regarding health care.

These are very broad generalizations - single mothers with a few children who are not getting any help. If you mean they don't have health insurance because they make too much for Medicaid then they're making more than the Medicaid roll cap of $15K a year or if they have 3 children they're making more than $31K/yr. If they're making less than that, then they do qualify. Not sure where they're not making shit and don't qualify is valid. Even for those who make up to $45K or $94K for a family of 4, monthly tax credits will come about.

And cannot afford Obamacare! And I know one sex worker who is exactly as you say

Insurance because insurance companies are running as fast as they can from this meds called the ACA.

Some of your numbers are off...but that's OK.  The gist of the ACA is something that is a work in process.  And I expect tweaking over the years as market forces will show where the money to be made really is.

Is this what you're talking about?

Or watching Faux News is where you come up with this drivel.

There's an AMP her in Birmingham that gets raided almost every damn month.  Everytime they find about 4 or 5 girls in there that are illegally here.  Sounds like trafficking to me.

I'm not sure what is making you so mad buddy, but try this on for size:  no shit that loads of women outside the hobby have been abused and raped. I was never saying that abuse and rape lead everyone to sex work, or that every sex worker has been abused or raped.  If you'd care to re-read the original post without your faulty logic machine going bing, you would see that.

I found out that she had been raped after our first meeting and through a different source.  It is not something she brought up with me.

And many listen to Faux News believing the drivel that the talking heads babble.

Nope...no one in HookerLand lies.

Hang about a second CPA.  I agree with several if London's points.  And perhaps this thread should move to the politics forum.

You're baiting me to argue with you right? Surely, you're not as lacking in the brain cell department as you're portraying to be.

So you know some recent grads that can't find work in a field they went to school for....so do I.  And you know of some that got shit canned by an employer for cause (or from their version without cause)...so do I.  My comments (perhaps read them again) stated that many of the businesses and professionals that I know (as in CPA knows) are having record years in 2013.  I also commented that the recession had ended in 2010...it did...you can look it up and argue the merits of the data however.

Are you addressing all southern crackers in this post or just the stupid ones. You have no idea what you're talking about in regard to southerners. Are you a racist? Maybe. You are however clueless. I have never quite decided whether you were someone to pay attention to on here but that comment seals it. I've read where others called your posts, etc. into question. I now know you are someone whose posts/opinions have no value. I'll no longer wonder if others are wrong about you.  Just in case you were wondering Yes, I am a southerner.

What exactly does law school being expensive have to do with Obamacare?
Your specific example was laid off 2 years ago? Due to the mandate, man, they were ahead of their time.

You listened to Faux News and decided they didn't like it.

Law school has nothing to do with Obamacare, but Lawyers making no money from their chosen profession was a topic that London bought up that CPA disagreed with.  I brought it up because I thought CPA was wrong about that point.  I also know lawyers who have been laid off by law firms that have shut down - like Dewey LaBoeuf for example, and Heller Ehrman.

I don't have any chicken shits or twits as friends . My GF's are braver than you .
  I understood your original post and your worried  mind , "anxious"" and "afraid" ,  of what  might be in your abstract reality  .  
   Your OP mindless words   ,  not mine , " can't quite imagine  how a woman can become a provider unless  Thoracicsurgeon/she is desperate for money and / or emotionally damaged ".    
   
  Have you worn the child hood shoes or heard  dark secrets from  your bank manager ?    
 You might  feel more secure  with your   ATM  and home alone porn ,  if you are experiencing such anxiety and fear with providers .  
 
  If you ever get to figure out  civilian woman like you've figured out what makes a provider , you might find rape and abuse is  rampant  in their world .  
   Good luck finding women willing to talk to you ,  without your wallet  full .
 
   I can't help what smart people think  or what they think or you .
                I call them like I read them .  
    You talk like the ignorant resident fool ,  who has no clue , what his mealy mouth is saying  .    
   
     

was published over 2 years ago and went through so much scrutiny that it was chalked up to be a way for the consulting firm to gain more business by getting companies to knock on their door to provide advice on health care.

LMFAO!  So your claim to fame is P4P for 30 years? Hundreds of hookers? My guess if you get your fat ass around your computer you will probably have a heart attack reaching for your bag of doritos or pork rinds . FYUFF!  

A debate.

How do you really feel about it? Don't hold back.

No wonder none of the asian ladies will see you, You do know us asian people have a well earned reputation for being smart. and these "trafficked" asian women that you feel so sorry for actually make several times what you do.

it must really suck when you can't even get laid by a hooker, not even one FOB, most likely even they look down on you, I know i do.

First of all sounding like fidiot calling gambler 300 lbs. lol. And if stealing lines from fidiot doesn't make you dumb enough, as long as you have been around the boards and as much as you post, some of your threads and comments just come off idiotic and "newbieish." I have often not commented on your threads but many of them have me scratching my head. Your post here about staying away from Asian agencies and under 25 year old woman keeps you from seeing abused girls is just plain fucktarded!

Again with the angry response, and an assertion that you understand my point.  But really , your post just read like an 8 year olds "I know you are, but what am I"

Back when I started on here as a SO and was getting a lot of heat, this guy was one of the few to give me helpful input. You may not like his post but he's a good guy. Thanks sympathy... I don't forget. After all, I am a woman. lol

-- Modified on 10/24/2013 4:16:54 AM

this is a great post, you make some very valid points Sarah.  Its not up to others to decide what we should or shouldn't do, but they do have the choice to patronize.    

Are you high? I never speak in absolutes dear, and I did not say NO ONE made money in their chosen profession...I said some, and I know that for a fact! Many Lawyers are standing in the fkin unemployment line as we speak! Nurses? NO, of course not. They will always have a job because they can go anywhere in the world, but that does not mean that some don't want MORE money. Greed is a bitch. When you're paying a student loan note of 6-800 a month taken out of your check plus being taxed, do the math. Nurses being billed out at over 30 an hour are barely making 15 of that after all that shit is taken out. And, tell that to the employers laying off people that their fines will be laughable.  

You're obviously NOT in health care. Though I agree with what you just posted, you're not behind the scenes nor do you realize what is already happening. Do you think the Fraud Debt just happened into existence? Um no...it got there because so many people who refuse to pay for health coverage or can't be covered (like my father) are finding other ways to get care, and most are not legal. Rather than go that route which is easier to get arrested for, many are providing and stripping on the side.  

I hate to burst your bubble, but people are already coming here just to pay for health insurance! Christ, are you really that naive? Now, I am not saying that a HUGE portion of every profession on the planet are just going to up and decide to become hookers, but for you to say this will have no effect when it ALREADY does, is asinine. Do you not think there are women out there with special needs children who even WITH insurance, still can't make the bills every month? WOW! Do you dismiss the dozens of middle class families having to move their parents in with them to provide care because they can't afford to send them to a nursing home, nor can many even get insurance? Again, wow!  

My post was NOT about people losing health coverage...it was about those who NEVER had it being FORCED to have it, thus taking funds out of their pocket. So, not arguing with you. If anyone is naive enough to think that people who have a budget of 100 a week for all expenses can afford to lose 200 of that, well...they are the ones who need to do more research.

In most cases they are ONLY shut down because said workers do not have the proper licensing to do massage. They go out and get licensed, or hire new girls and bam...back in business. They are rarely even looking into trafficking because it is so hard to prove, and get to the big guys running things. It is sad that the real victims are seldom ever seen or heard from by us. They are not main stream, but underground.

There must be something wrong with you that you don't realize. Maybe you should check yourself into a mental hospital just to find out.

They always make a few arrest of men, charging them with "visiting a house of prostitution."

We came her for the MONEY and the freedom...not all that hard, and no need for a psycho analysis. Most of the women I know personally already had a good job or degree BEFORE coming here...this is why they don't charge rock bottom rates, and have to work every week. It's more than obvious who the women are, that have anoter form of income, because rates and schedule would have many broke if this were it.  

Do I have to be in health care to make an informed opinion or know the topic? Why are anecdotal points so important? If I tell you I speak Spanish and volunteer to translate the mandate and repercussions to those who don't speak English in the lower east side does that make my points weigh more? That not only have I read it and researched it but on a personal level I do support it because when my mother died at age 35 of breast cancer and I was 15, we had no health insurance in Texas and couldn't get it because it was a pre-existing condition? If any of these points make my opinion matter more, that is not good.

Why she is in the biz.  She and I met in a bar, because she asked me to buy her a drink (being below the legal drinking age), I did my thing and next thing I know we are very familiar with each other.  humm.....  She could make $$$ A lot of ways (she has made real, legit movies and could have an acting career if she wanted) and is in college....  so why?!  as another friend of mine said, "I never sit at home alone on a Saturday night wondering what I'm gonna do."  Think travel guide....  I know another gal who actually does that but specializes in international travel for business dev purposes... and she knows how to open and keep open certain doors.....

And yet the CBO estimates and Rand failed to predict any employer dumping, so so far the McKinsey results have more closely tracked reality.  Note that the McKinsey study was routinely criticized by the left wing media and White House , but stood up to the scrutiny.  CBO subsequently modeled several scenarios of dumping.  I guess we will see who was right in the next couple of years.

1. We will know in the next couple of years whether it works or not. It's something to try because god knows costs were skyrocketing anyway. On principle it's supposed to work of course, and make costs less by having everyone participate, let's hope it does for the sake of improving our system.
2. Yes, health insurance being tied to employment has been misguided in many ways.
3. There's definitely shame in employee dumping, and if they are then stuck with all costs it's awful, but let's hope mathematically that isn't the case and even if there is dumping there is still incentives for companies to fund the transition as people choose their own.

OMG, Medicaid where I used to live DOES NOT COVER ADULTS! Are you high? The MOTHER of a child on Medicaid is ONLY covered up to a YEAR after giving birth..that is where I got it from. CHILDREN OF MOTHERS that were on Medicaid are covered into adult hood, yes, but that's not what we are talking about. I can't go out tomorrow and apply for Medicaid UNLESS I am pregnant. That's a fact. Try reading about Medicaid in New Orleans. The affordable care act covers children of insurance holders until age 26, but Medicaid drops mothers left and right after one year of giving birth. I don't see how a government program would be this way in one state, and not another but I digress.  

Not to fear, when an Indy is caught, we are usually the ones who go down first. The guy gets a slap on the wrist, keeps his job, keeps his dumb wife after swearing he will never stray again, and doing it the next week, but us? Ha...fired from our careers, kicked out of certain programs in school, shunned by the entire community. It sucks. I went from being able to openly advertise and place ads on the top sites, to not having a single photo on the net, and having to password protect my site until after a guy is screened. It's just not worth being exposed.

Who knew! LMAO! This clown is too fucking funny.  If there's one poster here whose personal history is well known on the board (and who is personally known by a number of us who've partied with him) it's Gambler.  Yes, he's an asshole and a self-admitted pig.  But he's usually the first to admit that.  Where has this clown been?  For a fat guy, Gambler does a damn good impersonation of a skinny guy. LOL!

He'll wear those with pride.
But a 300 pound southern cracker? Can anything be further from the truth? Bwahahaha!

incluodng the clients. what yoi are saying has been my observation as well.  
Straight from the gals themselves, the variois reports from others only providers can see, numerous BL incidents, multiple reports from news media outlets.make that thousands. Victims that are now advocates  

And that's why the number of people NOT working is at an all time high of 90M? Things are great? You're a genius.  

The CBO? Ya that's a great source. Have they EVER been right on ANYTHING?  

Here's a fact. According to a recent survey, more people are on govt assistance than are working. Disability is a trainwreck. More are on welfare, unemployment, food stamps than ever. People have figured out they don't have to work anymore. The US is becoming what Chicago already is. A financial trainwreck. But surely Rahmster will get it turned around. Just like Detroit.