If it were a scam, she couldn't follow through with it by saying she's found it.
took it with you. If they don't ask for it up front, I will leave it by the bathroom sink and on the way out, I tell them, "I left something for you by the bathroom sink." I think if you say these exact words, they will almost always find it.
My strategy as well. Never have had any issues.
and we start to get acquainted and remove our clothes, I'll take it out of my pocket or bag, show it to her and put it on a nightstand or dresser.
You never know with these girls, one time I showed it to the girl and put it on the stand, all good, right.
After the session I gave another envelope with a tip, walk to the door and left.
On the way to my car, I get a text from the booker saying the envelope was light!
Texted her to have the girl look in the first envelope!
So, it all worked out.
Just make sure they see it!
LOL. You probably got blacklisted and don't even know it.
LOL, so you're joking, right?
If so disregard, otherwise why would you think I would be blacklisted?
They got the donation; the girl was new, and I've been with this booker over 2 years.
By the way, she's gone, and I use the booker all the time.
I know there is info you didn't know at first, but bottom line is they got the donation.
If you need to go deeper, it was the girl's mistake.
It doesn't matter. There is a good chance that she might have acted instinctively and just blacklisted you immediately at the same time that she notified her assistant. Once she did that even though it was a misunderstanding and she got her donation it would be too late ... she cannot revoke it. Prolly 70/30 that you are blacklisted.
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You really need to start seeing a better class of people. I cannot think of any agencies I've been with that would do that to someone that has been a steady -- or even a new -- customer in that situation. I've had the impression that the LA ones are pretty similar to what we have here.
Umm ... this has nothing to do with me. I am just calling a spade a spade. If the lady was flaky enough to miss the envelope and snap to notifying he booking assistant then she probably had the same knee jerk reaction and blacklisted him. Why would she care? She could still see him even though she blacklisted him if he made her whole because he would likely never find out that he was blacklisted and it likely wouldn't trade back to her anyways.
She didn't miss any envelope; she just opened the second one first!
You understand that; 2nd 1 1st. I didn't want it too confusing LOL!
All this happened in a matter of minutes, maybe 4 tops.
No knee jerking, no flakiness!
Even if I gave the wrong envelope or wrong count, it would be resolved as an innocent mistake because my brain and cock would be settling down from a wild fuck fest!
Understood by all involved.
I would just go back and straighten up the count!
Like I asked in my other post, did it happen to you?
Blacklisted and then unblacklisted, but then she still saw you!
Jensen is right, who do you deal with?
Really?
I did say the girl left, on tour and a real good chance she will swing through L.A. again!
But I saw her a few times after that first session and before she left to service some other city.
So, no blacklist for me from her!
Did this happen to you?
That's why you're so positive that it happens to other Mongers!
on a table or the dresser. I generally try to place it there when the lady can actually see me doing it and will also see it just a a matter of course as we're either undressing or getting dressed. Sometimes I'll just put it under their cell phone so they cannot miss it.
I honestly don't recall when I last even used an envelope and don't think I've used one more than twice. I just place the cash there.
in proximity of other providers.. If it's a situation where there are more women, I would just give it to her.. I also like larger bills. Easy to count 4 x 100s than 20 x 20s. Don't even need to count really, you can just eyeball it.
I used to use envelopes back in the day, but quickly figured out a couple of yrs into my mongering "career" that it's easy to justify 3 or 4 hundred dollar bills in your wallet than to justify you carrying a white envelope should you get stopped. So bottom line, there is no need to carry envelope in the first place regardless of what the provider's website says.
Why would you have to justify to anyone how you carry your money?
Especially if it's only a few hundred dollars.
And the banks hand out envelopes all day long, if you want one.
If a cop is going to hassle you over money, whatever the amount, it won't matter where you have it, IMO!
The thing that all the posters need to understand is that everyone handles their money the way they are comfortable with and the best way that it works for them, once again IMO!
You make a lot of valid points..
I was imagining the situation playing out more like a monger walking into a sting, he has a much better defense without an envelope marked as "Donation" or "Gift".
There have been lot of stings in the past in the DC area - back when Backpage was thriving.
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I have a tray on the dresser to leave it in, I did use a leather envelope til covid hit . I realized it was just easier for a person to lay it in the tray as I do ask them to, then no one is messing with an envelope. When my session is over, I leave, I take it out of the room with me. This avoids weirdness, & I have had a few people over the years, not put enough IN the envelopes, harder to do if it's visable in a tray. I always walk my guys out to the door.Hopsitality is #1 with me, along with great service a very clean place!
What I have usually done is to bury the donation inside a bag of supplies for the session and present it at session’s end, especially if seeing one whom I have seen before.
Like what kind of bag? Backpack? , Duffel Bag, Suitcase? One of those bags that the homeless carry?
Curious minds want to know... LOL
The only times I carry bags is when I am going to airport..
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Either messenger or shopping!
Depends on what I have to carry.
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so, just follow that.
If not, then I use an envelope, and place it down in an obvious place while they are looking at me, but I don't make any mention of it. Believe me, they follow that with their eyes.
MOST people can accommodate minor variations to their SOP but some hostesses get flustered by the slightest deviation. Kind of like baseball players who have their pre-batting rituals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnvjWPmmFRQ
You never know when you might be meeting someone with a hair trigger.
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So I try to come as close as I can to my hostess's preferred method except that I prefer to use a book or magazine over an envelope. That way, I can hand it to her and say something like, "I bookmarked an interesting article (chapter) that I think you'll enjoy." as I head to the shower.
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Anticipating a Q, yes, I have had more than one hostess not "get" my message, put the magazine aside without looking inside and asking me at the end about the donation.
Posted By: mrfisher
Re: Most gals have specific instructions for this on their websites...
so, just follow that.
If not, then I use an envelope, and place it down in an obvious place while they are looking at me, but I don't make any mention of it. Believe me, they follow that with their eyes.
So right!
You could count it out one bill at a time like a cashier at the market and they still might ask for the donation, F'ing LOL!
Is that a legit email abbreviation?
A couple of times I had the envelope taped to a bottle of wine, gave it and turned the bottle so the envelope was in her view.
She put the wine down and then asked for the donation. Now, I'm thinking Really?
But being the gent, I picked up the bottle and pointed to the donation.
Deviate from their routine and it throws them off!
Almost always it is in an envelope with a card in it. I've used holiday cards at times but usually use a card from some tree huger organization that says a tree is being planted in their name. I actually do plant a tree later, but I plant dozens every year so no biggie. Often she opens it when I use the bathroom and this becomes a great convo starter. With repeats, I've put pictures of their tree in the envelope. Of course, I often forget which tree is for whom except for the exceptional.
I usually place it on the dresser or nightstand in the bedroom as I walk into the room. Never leave it in a shared space with others. If she hasn't already grabbed the envelope, as I walk out I say thank you and point to the envelope as I leave. I make no bones about this being a financial transaction. She usually thanks me back with a smile or kiss. I'm not looking to get BL over stupidity.
I was initially subtle in placing the envelope. Then at the start of one session the provider ahem'd me and asked me if I forgot something. I had to point to the envelope on the desk. She hadn't seen me put it there. After that I stopped putting it in an envelope or being subtle about it. Now I set it down when I know they are looking. I very obviously take it out of my wallet, count it quickly, and put it on whatever surface is nearby, as she watches. I do make exceptions for any specific directions, such as them explicitly wanting it in an envelope. But I place the envelope while they watch. No more subtlety.
My donation etiquette is to have the gentleman put the envelope in the bathroom counter so that I can count it discretely before our time together. Sometimes they put it on a desk or nightstand in full view so I can see it and then I discretely count it in the restroom. The envelope should be dealt with before your time together so that it's out of the way and you can both just focus on having fun 
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Posted By: chloemercier
Re: This is why I put donation etiquette on my site
My donation etiquette is to have the gentleman put the envelope in the bathroom counter so that I can count it discretely before our time together.
Chloe, if he puts it in the bathroom, when do you retrieve it? Do you step into the bathroom just after he steps out of it?
Sometimes they put it on a desk or nightstand in full view so I can see it and then I discretely count it in the restroom. The envelope should be dealt with before your time together so that it's out of the way and you can both just focus on having fun
If you ask them to put it in the bathroom drawer, yet they put it on a desk or nightstand instead, aren't they either ignoring your request or it indicates that they didn't even read it?
Yes I count it after they put it on the bathroom counter and leave the bathroom. And yes sometimes I get the occasional gentleman who puts it on the desk and doesn't follow my etiquette.
Posted By: chloemercier
Re: This is why I put donation etiquette on my site
Yes I count it after they put it on the bathroom counter and leave the bathroom. And yes sometimes I get the occasional gentleman who puts it on the desk and doesn't follow my etiquette.
Thank you.
So a guy comes in, goes to take a shower and leaves it on the sink, then when he comes out you go in to get it?
That seems overly complicated. Why not just have him leave it as soon as he walks into the room, say, next to the television, and then you can deal with it while he's in the bathroom?
Yes it's overly complicated, you're so right. I made this system before the SESTA/FOSTA thing that shut down TER. I was really worried about coming in contact with a cop. So I came up with this so that I could count the money discretely, and then leave it there. Because I've heard of women who were arrested as soon as they moved the money.
I guess I kept the system because it's just classier to count the money in private. If he's in the bathroom for 10 seconds or never goes into the bathroom at all, it's weird for me to be counting the money in front of him. That's just my opinion 🤷🏽♀️
I can't speak for all states, but in the ones I am familiar with all it takes is "intent". No money needs to change hands.
I understand the comfort aspect in doing it that way, but ladies go way overboard with the whole "put the envelope down and don't talk about it, don't look at it, don't touch it again, don't point to it", etc.
And for the record, I have no problem if a lady counts in front of me. I have had very few do so, but I would have no problem with her checking prior to the start of fun. From my perspective it's not awkward at all. We both know what the meeting is about and I understand that ladies sometimes get ripped off so I have no issue with you trying to protect yourself from that.
I recently had a lady do just that and she apologized saying that some guy had given her counterfeit money earlier in the week and she was worried about getting ripped off again. I told her not to worry that it was fine with me.
If it were to make a lady feel better for me to leave the room I'd be fine with that too.
I usually give the white envelope straight to them. There's no allusion to me what I'm doing, and there's no like "interrupting" the moment for me. It's like wrestler, I know it's fake but git damn it's fun.
Twice i have had clients leave with out leaving the donation and they both came back. Once a client left less than he should have and never came back. So i have been pretty lucky.
Do you think this was a scam to try and get me to pay extra?
Not sure what’s dumber. Leaving the envelope in a common area or thinking her attempts to locate the money you owed her was some kind of 3D chess scam?
I usually have the envelope in my shirt pocket. As soon as we exchanged greetings I take it out of my shirt pocket and set it down somewhere like on the dresser or whatever is nearby, saying “I’ll just leave this here.”
That’s at the same time that I’m taking my phone out of my pocket and turning it off and setting it down maybe taking my coat off if I’m wearing one, etc.
When you & a provider are in a bedroom together...........You should show her that you have it and show her where you placed it (This should stop all problems).
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