Do you treat your clients who use Viagra any differently? Do you want to know if a client who is coming to see you is planning on using Viagra (or a similar performance-enhancer?) I find that many times I finish way too quickly, and at my age, getting my "second wind" is not always achievable. What do you think, ladies? Use it, or not? Tell you, or not? Thanks.
Personally, I have no problems at all seeing clients that use Viagra, and I definitely, unequivocally, like to know beforehand. Viagra has several side effects, and if I know a client is "on it," I'm very watchful of his physical stress level. I must be able to monitor his condition enough to keep it to a level of not inducing a heart attack -- and I've come close a couple of times. I've quickly gotten to the point when I know to back off and let him catch his breath. This statement is in no way intended to be funny. There's nothing thrilling about a heart-stopping session, for either party. Use it wisely, and please be sure your provider knows you are using it, as well as the side effect that accompany it.
BJ, Palm Beach
As far as I know (and I'm not a doctor), Viagra is only hazardous to heart and stroke patients who are on medication for those conditions.
Maybe those near heart attacks really were a measure of your skills...
Viagra lowers your blood pressure and in effect you're correct, papercup, in that there is lower risk for heart attack or stroke for hypertensive users. It is riskier for a person with low blood pressure, who runs a risk of passing out or having a stroke if BP is sufficiently lowered by Vitamin V. This is a good reason to only take the amount your doctor prescribes.
Most side effects of Viagra are harmless, albeit perhaps annoying. One that I suffer is stuffed sinuses and dried out throat. But that won't kill you.
BTW, there are no real studies regarding the long term effects of Viagra usage. Those people that take it for "recreational" purpose, as opposed ot medical necessity, may want to monitor studies as to what may be the long term physical effect.
I do usually tell providers that I use Viagra.
I've had close calls with three clients. Two of the three were (clinically) obese and in their mid-50s, and of these two, one was a smoker and the other had quit smoking after 20 years, two years prior. Both were taking medication for high blood pressure, and led a sedentary lifestyle. The third was lean and in his late 60's, never a smoker, took medication for heart problems, had a moderately active lifestyle and exercise habits, and kept nitrogen tablets with him (good thing). It's very scary when your partner is wheezing, flushed, experiencing blurred vision, and you can *feel* his heart laboring much, much too heavily.
The only problem with taking it in combination with medications for high blood pressure, is that in combination with these, it can further lower blood pressure to dangerously low levels.
I probably should have stated more clearly, any client that is obese, especially in combination with being a smoker, or taking heart medication or medication for high blood pressure in combination with Viagra, I watch very closely. I'm not one to chide anyone for taking Viagra against its prescribed guidelines and restrictions, because I find the majority of men that use it don't actually use it for clinical impotence. A lot of men take it like candy, and I worry about some more than others. Overall, I think it's a benefit for some men for a variety of reasons, but can obviously be dangerous in combination with lifestyle habits and other medications.
BJ, Palm Beach
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Vitamin V is a drug. Used properly w/ the misc side-effects taken into consideration should be the best approach. Taking the V-pill with a complete dis-regard of your health is a set-up for a one way trip. I guess the old saying about dying with your booths on or with a smile may apply with the blue pill.
Personally, I don't treat anyone differenly whether on Vigara or not... I would like to be informed, but I can also understand that this might make the client feel uncomfortable. I'm just out to provide the best experience possible.
Jaclyn 
Dear Jay,
God bless Viagra. That means that the man can share what his heart desires to share ... in a way, an extension of himself. Kind of like an athlete who hasn't been training for awhile but emotionally and mentally is "there". Viagra can do that to a degree for sex. I love it, when it is used responsibly, just like any enhancement drug should be. Hopefully the lady doesnt have to be concerned about an accident.
Now what I don't like is a man who comes over on viagra and uses it to put me down. I.E., he doesn't cum, so decides to degrade me in the sense that I cannot deliver his ultimate goal (he used viagra to hold out and "top" me). Or that he is doing me a favor because I do cum for him, and then uses a superior attitude to jip me of a fee. That was a long past scenario, but sticks in my memory's craw ....
xoxo
Felicia Foxx
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Viagra or not, you just described an asshole of a client. Anyone who would try to "jip" a provider out of her fee is a thief and should be dealt with accordingly.
Viagra doesn't come with an Orgasm Guaranteed Label! Perhaps this client was misinformed. Under medical supervision, Viagra has done exactly as advertised, and the women I see appreciate it as well as my honestly in telling them I use it. I also take medication for high blood pressure with no problem. As an aside, I began an exercise program when I started seeing escorts 6 months ago and have now lost 30 pounds...all part of a program to increase my enjoyment and the enjoyment of those I'm with. However, my ability to achieve intense orgasms like I was still 20 years old is steadily diminishing and is an independent problem from sustaining an erection and more complex to diagnose and treat. I also share this information with an escort I see regularly so there is never a thought that her efforts are at fault for my sometimes "lower than normal response". One escort took it personally until I explained that she was wonderful but I'm the one with the problem. Men who are not completely open about these issues leave too much room for misunderstanding.
As for the particular client you mentioned, I hope he represents a very small minority of men. Frankly, I think he used Viagra as an excuse for his own inability to achieve satisfaction. Blaming you is alot easier than blaming himself. He has more problems than sexual...perhaps someone will guide him to have his head examined. Of course, there is the issue of ego...a head examination will help there too.
Maybe he felt cheated by not having his orgasm and instead of blaming his doctor for not letting him know the ramifications of viagra, he merely "kicked the cat" (me). Anyway, my eyes are more opened now.
Incidentally, I happened to have known this man beforehand, and he did, prior to the magic pill, in fact have problems "performing" - coupled with a low self-esteem. When he found viagra...he didn't tell me but I KNEW...it went not only to his little head, but to his big head. Hence all the projecting, and the superior attitude. Unfortunately, he refused to let me talk with him about it, but instead, just didn't pay. He always used to discreetly place the cash in the bathroom, then leave. I never had to question it, but with a flurry of other traumatic changes in his life, and the discovery of viagra, his behavior changed. When I questioned by phone later if he was okay, and brought up his "nonremittance", he first insisted he had left it, then renigged and stated he must have dropped it in store where he was just before he saw me, and that his sole comfort, his dog, was critically ill. (So he must have been distracted?) Last I ever spoke with him, he never called back, and he never mailed the fee, as he promised. Too bad, because he seemed like a wonderful man with dreams, but he was going through a terrible time in his life. Of course he is an exception, and this was at an early point for me in this industry.
Now the 64 million dollar question is, what percentage of gents feel that seeing a provider is all about ejaculation? I have had incredible sessions where the enjoyment is in the journey, not the goal. Seems to me when a man places incredible pressure on himself and/or his partner to produce fluids, then it doesn't happen, he not only misses the nuances along the way, but then the experience risks a negative outcome.
I suppose that too, has to do with age, and expectations. Many gents just want to connect. That is where I've always wanted to be with a client. But when "it" doesnt' happen, do you feel cheated?
XoXo
I for one go for the whole package. Meaning, part of the visit (besides my desire to shoot the moon with this hottie) includes making the lady happy, well if she at least makes an effort to show that she enjoys the time. There have been a few times when the blue pill was in action, but the little guy was not responsive when called to work. Part of it could have been meeting someone new and part of it was that the chemistry just didn't work out. There was no problem getting the explosion thru a HJ. Amazingly the little guy reacted as if he had overdosed on the pill. But I usually just say it was me. It has been rare that the lady did not try her best to get me to shoot the lights out. There was only one time with a newbie did she literally mentioned that it wasn't her fault and we had tried everything. The only problem was her less than stellar attitude before and after the encounter.
For $64 million I'll put in my vote of one. I've moved away from 1-hour meetings for purely sex and orgasm. As I stated in my previous thread, its difficult enough for me to achieve a rousing ejaculation without the added pressure of the clock ticking. And I lost sight of how great mental stimulation can be. An orgasm doesn't last very long but a total stimulation of the mind and body lasts as long as you like. Now I book several hours at a time with just one escort who I enjoy being on all levels. I don't want to hear any laughter from the guys out there, but during a recent overnight I only achieved one ejaculation and it was one of best experiences of my life. The woman understands my needs and we spend alot of time talking, maybe dinner, prolonged foreplay, and so on. And I know she likes it this way as well. I lost count of her orgasms. People are always talking about the GFE... I believe it take two to really achieve it and it's defined mutually.
has taken a big step toward becoming a fully grown-up adult.
can't hurt; and might even work!
For my part, I certainly don't mind. I can't recall anyone mentioning it beforehand, but I just knew.
-Anya
curious: do you finish "way too quickly" with, or without, viagra?
In rereading this post, I wanted to get back to some other underlying questions you may have.
My experiences with clients that I have seen both without, and then with Viagra, have been that it makes "hard", "harder." That's a pretty big benefit for gents that have problems with semi-soft erections, especially those that increase with age. This makes a session much more enjoyable for both parties. I feel it does seem to extend ejaculation time to some degree, though I have found this largely variable on an individual basis. I think only less than half of the clients I've seen were able to ejaculate a second time within a 2-hour period.
But again, no, I don't treat my clients any differently, and encourage it for some clients. I would want to know.
BJ, Palm Beach, FL
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