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A few threads below about suicide....
You, and Mr. Fisher talk to each other all day long. How about you old farts getting a room???
-- Modified on 10/1/2008 8:12:06 AM
No matter your beliefs - from athiest to muslim... it matters not. Life is a precious gift (no this is NOT about abortion) but it IS about suicide...
I fully recognize that our society holds nothing above the cheap joke. but talk of suicide troubles me... Did you know?
In the year 2000, approximately one million people died from suicide: a "global" mortality rate of 16 per 100,000, or one death every 40 seconds.
In the last 45 years suicide rates have increased by 60% worldwide. Suicide is now among the three leading causes of death among those aged 15-44 years (both sexes) not including failed suicide attempts.
Suicide worldwide is estimated to represent 1.8% of the total global burden of disease in 1998.
Traditionally suicide rates have been highest among the male elderly, but the rates among young people have been increasing and are now at highest risk in a third of countries (developed and developing countries).
Mental disorders are associated with more than 90% of all cases of suicide; however, suicide results from many complex sociocultural factors and is more likely to occur particularly during periods of socioeconomic, family and individual crisis situations (e.g. loss of a loved one, employment, honour).
Not a pretty picture, no matter where you are or your socio-economic status...
So my friends, think about your jokes... I find them not so funny.
You, and Mr. Fisher talk to each other all day long. How about you old farts getting a room???
-- Modified on 10/1/2008 8:12:06 AM
First, this IS a serious topic. Deserving of its own thread... and it is NOT the topic of the "humor" thread below... the serious side of suicide that is.
Second, I believe that by burying my thought in the humor thread below, I would not reach the appropriate audience... which is everyone, and NOT just the participants in that thread.
Third, if you've something to contribute to the subject of this thread, then I suggest you contribute it... but to post that I've no right to post (and under an alias) proves to me, that you've nothing of value to add.
Fourth, I am NOT the most frequent poster on this board... Charlie is by half as much as me. My participation waxes and wanes depending on my availability to post... and in some instances my interest in a topic...
But you do bring up a good topic... when to post a new thread... and when do you say, I've nothing significant to contribute - except to make an ass outta myself... as you've so nicely illustrated.
It's that simple. There was no reason to start a new thread --None.
I'll be at the Motel 6, you know the place, 6 PM today.
I'll bring my megaphone. 8o)
and we are doing a live podcast right? and please wear the nice silky underwear... I love that stuff.....
And Mr. Fisher, I hope you know I ain't cheap... I expect you to take me to Dennys for Waffles in the morning!!!! :->
It's the economy, ya know.
But death is death. It must go on. Life is for the living, however some prefer death. Why? The living will never know.
BSD,
Answering your post seriously, there are a lot of ways to look at it.
When I was younger, I watched a loved one decline over the course of years from smoking/cancer/emphysema and it was horrible. There were times when they were in a lot of pain, with very little to look forward to in the remainder of their life. That experience showed me that I can't categorically say I would never do it. If I were in that type of scenario, I might view it as an end of suffering. At that point, the "how to do it" discussion would apply in a decidedly practical manner.
Another aspect is the way in which life is lived. You can view activities as being somewhere on a spectrum of risk. Every hobbyist and provider in this forum has agreed to some level of risk. The level varies. For example, CBJ vs. BBBJ. Different risk, which may or may not be acceptible to different people. The same applies to other aspects of life. Smoking. Drinking. Adrenaline sports. Etc. Some things certain people do are looked at as a small step away from suicide by other, more conservative people. Each person needs to make their own decisions.
When someone is really at peace with their educated decisions, it brings a comfort and acceptance to their life. In many circumstances, that "sense of rightness" with their lifestyle opens the door for an element of levity that may seem disconcerting to those who have different answers to the same questions. Neither answer to the questions is right or wrong. They are individual-specific.
For example, a fellow skydiver used to joke about death. He was comfortable with the risks and viewed them as being worth taking. He laughed about it. Many of us do, including the use of the phrase "Blue skies, black death". After I saw this friend's ashes scattered in his memorial skydive, we drank, we poured full beers on the ground in his honor, then had a celebration of lis life. It is what he would have wanted
So, BSD, I both agree with you and disagree with you at the same time. Suicide is very serious. Regardless of manner, death usually is. Suicide is just the one circumstance in which the scenario can be chosen. That element of final choice can lead to humor if viewed in a certain way.
-- Modified on 10/1/2008 9:03:42 AM
First, it make human beings somehow comfortable to make jokes about the most serious and tragic subjects.It doesn't mean we don't take it seriously, on the contrary.
Second suicide is always due either to disease (depression or the end stage of a disease that is causing suffering) or to unbearable suffering due to external circumstances: poverty, the death of a child, etc. In some cases, it actually makes perfect sense. in other cases it is due to our inability to treat suffering, to alleviate pain, or to ameliorate unbearable circumstances. It is always tragic. but there is not always something we can do about it. Clearly better treatment of depression, better pain control, and alleviation of poverty would help. In that, we are far behind.
-- Modified on 10/1/2008 5:58:39 PM
Why don't we all get back to just talking about..
PUSSY!!!!!
Although.....this is, a general discussion forum
and suicide is just another topic of discussion.
I think BizarroDude's post was very good
nothing wrong with revealing facts on a subject.
people for many diferent reasons but I think that it has lot to do with fear.
I also think that if we could be more aware of what we say and do to each other, how the other person feels and just to validate that we understand and relate to them instead of passing it off as a joke.
its easier to do it that way for lot of people instead of showing kindness and opening up to a fellow human bieng. we are afraid of being open and honest because we fear of being laughed at or not understood and that is what people need to be to each other.
guess I amjust being mushy becausemy friend HnT just passed and he was great at being genuine with people and even in his pain and misery he found time to be kind and decent to all.
I completely agree with you. That is why I posted about the after election remark. I personally fear many will fall victim to this very circumstance. No money = no fuel = no warmth
No fuel = no work. No work = No food. So on and so on. How are so many already at the end of there rope
Going to survive?? I do believe this is why the rates have risen so high in the past 60 yrs as Bizzarodude pointed out.
Just wait till after the election. eom
Is that after the election- no matter who is elected (and I sincerely mean that)
we come together as a nation - and heal a lot of wounds.... I also hope that we throw most of the incumbants out. They've not served us at all, they have failed to understand what most of us want... respect, honesty in our leadership, leaders who are a tad more honorable that ourselves, our common defense (both from foreign and domestic violence), selfless servers of the public who work hard to do their best for the country, and most of all, plain and simple legislation that does not provide for protection of privaledged groups over the vast majority.
Can Either candidate do this? That is the question I have been asking lately about each of the candidates, and I've no easy answer - or any answer at all. Equally important will there be a counter to the winner, that is will the looser accept the loss gracefully - reach across the divide and make amends in an appropriate and leader like manner....? Maybe by answering that question, I will know who to vote for, by selecting the "healer" who I know will be able to do that.
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