By a strange coincidence a companion recently asked my opinion about whether or not she should dispute a false review. The review was a good one, but did describe an inconsistent modus operandi for the way she goes about a session. My advice to her was that she dispute it.
I don’t see how it can help her or me to have this false information in the TER database. If she’s good at what she does, and she is, then she shouldn’t need the additional good review. I don’t want to read a false review and show up at a date with a misconception about what expect. And this guy who is writing false reviews to obtain free membership should not be allowed to continue mucking up the database with falsehoods.
Now, this is a review that offers high ratings and flattering commentary, though sparse. It is clearly a “he said, she said” situation since there are no evidentiary details to disprove. Nevertheless, it’s untrue, and the companion should report the problem and explain to TER that the review is false. TER should then remove the review and flag the member as a possible false reviewer. Two such problem reports on the same reviewer form different girls should then result in that member being banned.
It’s a good review, so in this case, what does the girl have to prove? Why would she want it removed unless it were untrue?
Now assume it was a bad review, but equally as false. We don’t want this false data mucking up the database, and the companion certainly deserves better than to have a false review reflecting poorly on her, even if there are no evidentiary details to disprove.
These suggestions about leaving the reviews up, but adding a commentary box or page or whatever for the girl to add her objections to a review is just ridiculous in my opinion. This only gives us more needless pages to read, more buttons to click and more posting space for people to abuse. How easy would it be for ladies to simply dispute every word that’s written against her, and how senseless would that be to have to read through all that crap, and still not know what’s true or not?
The reviews are the gentleman’s perspective, which is what I want to read. The ladies have only the recourse and responsibility to try and help keep their reviews accurate through the use of the problem reports.
As a reviewer, you can trust that my reviews are an accurate representation of my perception of the events, though sometimes overly romanticized for my own amusement. If any companion were to dispute my review, she would not win that dispute. Thus, balance is created and truth is assured.
Just by reading your review on Apr 2002 Jada San Francisco 6 - Nice 2 - I should have stayed home.
Hum your accurate representation of your perception of the events.
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But you can see from my other reviews that I'm not just a harsh reviewer, so that should tell you that there must be some truth in that review.
there is probability (maybe even high probability) that there is truth in your review but it cannot be stated that there *must* be truth in the review.
-Hoot.
I think it's quite fair and logical to say, there must be *some* truth in the review.
you can say there probably is some truth, but you cannot fully conclude that there is truth.
Similar to playing russian roulette. Say there are 6 chambers in the pistol and 1 bullet. You fire all but the last chamber. When you fire the last chamber, will the bullet fire? Almost certainly -- but (probability kicking in) not necessarily. The gun can jam. The bullet can misfire owing to bad quality. This is an extreme example, but I think you get it. I am not trying to overly quibble, but to underscore the point between *must* have and *probably* have.
If you disagree, I will leave the point alone, but I wanted to make one final attempt to explain my view.
-Hoot.
Still, I agree with HootOwl's reasoning, if not his logic.
i wish i could offer the board an introductory lesson in probability, inference, and the collection and interpretation of data. but hoot did the job.
please remember that the value of a contested review works both ways: it's also information about the reviewer. what would happen if my reviews of fiona or zoe were contested? what would the grounds for the contestation be? all that would be useful information about me, as well.
in the "how do you use ter?" topic, several posters mentioned that they scope out the reviewers, and rely on those they think they can trust.
my three concerns: we lose information about the reviewers, we lose information about the ladies (especially, a developing pattern of client abuse, which can be suppressed at her request), and we lose the information in a way that is biased to eliminate reviews from stupid liars (who insert obviously harsh or disputable statements) and retain the information from clever liars (who don't).
i won't post on this thread any more. good luck everybody.
ROB claudia was flourishing without the ROB designation on her page precisely because "the process" of altering provider information stepped in and mucked things up. meanwhile, many more victims fell her way.
the use of "truth" and "false" in all the database and review related discussions going on here is facile and uninformed. the point is not whether true or false exists, or whether they can be put in a review. the point is whether true or false can be determined reliably in a he said/she said situation by a third party with no direct knowledge of the facts.
the answer to that question is an unequivocal "no."
"pages and pages" of more stuff to read? riker, you have a talent for imagining obstacles out of your disagreements. a single text header inserted at the top of the review -- "WARNING: CONTESTED REVIEW" -- does that sound too burdensome?
let's split the difference, and look at what is actually at stake. make public on this board the total number in the past 12 months of: contested reviews, the total number of contested reviewers, the number of reviews deleted, the number of reviewers banned for posting two or more contested reviews, the number of providers who contested reviews, and the number of providers who contested reviews but received more than two negative reviews, so that the negative reviews were let stand.
Let's do that. Would it be too much to ask that you explain that in a simple sentence on the suggestion board? This is the most expeditious way to get it done. I’ll back the idea 100% as an imperative initiative.
By the way, Claudia has been returned to her deserved rip-off status. She always had rip-off reviews attached to her profile, as well as a long string of 2's and 3's. It was only her listing on the Rip-Off page that was missing for a time.
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Link may not resolve unless you have an ebay ID; am not certain.
-Hoot.
I have two reviews that I considered false..what was described has never taken place ....one was ho hum and average and completely false.the other quite good but the details were obviously fake as what I wore and the events just didn't occur and they were very specific even down to the weather.. I live in san diego so that was key. the one that was average even though he had claimed to see me three times I confronted....I am a low volume provider and have an excellent memory espeically if I have seen you three times...so I e-mailed him and asked him what the hell? He HAD seen me and once he gave his excuses and I could Identify him I realized why he had lied and BS so badly. He had alot of issues during our meetings and then later wrote me a long letter concerning them that I think he was embarrassed about later. He has since gone on to write so many reviews and contribute so much to this board that quite frankly It isn't worth getting into the he said she said crap...I have since gone on to receive a whole lot of better reviews than his so it wasn't a problem. What would outing him accomplish? He has obviously become very fond of this place and spends ALOT of time here. I wouldn't want to ruin it for him even if I was believed by staff.
as a ter user, i would find it a very valuable testament to your honesty and character if i could see that you contested a neutral or favorable review. other minxes have mentioned that they have done or tried to do the same thing, and i would really like to give those ladies my trade.
as for the reviewer, your answer shows the problem very clearly. first of all, keep in mind that the guy wasn't accurate when he reviewed you. it doesn't matter *why* (set aside the whole honesty discussion). we may never know *why*. the point is, other reviewers would very likely want to know that.
what did your "judgment process" do in this situation? well, it seems you now want to absolve him because of your fine and forgiving character.
ok, but how many of this guy's many other reviews do you think might also be tainted by his "inaccuracy"? if you want to trace his inaccuracy back to the embarrassing letters, do you really think you are the *only* minx he became infatuated/obsessed with? come on.
what would outing him accomplish? well, remember, all we're talking about is flagging one of his reviews as contested. we're not talking about divulging information about the letters and all the rest. but to your question, it would accomplish putting the other ter members on notice that this guy wrote a contested review. we wouldn't know why. but he would clearly have to suck it up and get a little more "objective" in his reviews, or he would be challenged in public again. that wouldn't make him shrivel up and die, that wouldn't make his mommy stop loving him: it would just let the rest of us treat his reviews with a little caution.
the whole problem of bogus or distorted reviews is currently hidden because there is no record of the providers and reviewers implicated in contested reviews; the reviews are simply let stand without comment or deleted without comment. either way the dispute, the disagreement, is intentionally erased forever. we, the ter users who pay for the vip subscription, have a right to know that the dispute occurred.
Yes of course you are right but I do know that I am not the only minx he obsessed on...that is part of the problem. He is an obsessive personality for sure and he would take it personally...I have several other reasons to not say anything but if I said them here people would know who he is and that just opens another can of worms that would be decidedly bad for business.The reviews that followed always seemed consisted with the others the lady had so I don't think he is really misleading anyone...Also I would never divulge the contents of a personal letter or reveal the identity of anyone who did not wish to be identified or published...