Hello All,

Recently, I have been victimized by the famous "bait and switch" games that some of the providers play.  

The questions I had is what to do if you are faced:

I.  A "bait and switch" a situation:   i.  Incall    and  ii.  Outcall.   (Note:  The key intention is to avoid creating a scene, or being compromised in any fashion.)

II.  Where the expectations set by reading TER reviews are not met?  At times, it has been my observation that the providers initially provide GREAT service -- perhaps to get a solid/good reputation.  Once that is attained, over a period of time the service/attitude becomes progressively worse.   (Note:  Granted that with some of the providers YMMV.  But, having said that -- there has to be some consistancy!  Also, let's assume that you are gentleman - how do avoid getting exploited.)


It would be great if TER would have a special forum or some sort of bulletin board about helpful titbits.  At a minimum, I strongly encourage all TER members to post their getting "ripped-off" or "bad experiences" on TER.  Let's help each other avoid making the same mistake, and more importantly wasting money and supporting these CON/SCAM artists.


One thing I have learnt is that if the advertiser falsely advertises, call the webhosting service and inform them accordingly.  For instance, if the provider advertised on Eros-Guide.Com contact Eros-Guide, and they will investigate it.  They will request the provider to provide valid indentification -- failing which they will remove the ad.



Thanks in advance for your time and indulgence.

Cheers!



-- Modified on 6/1/2002 4:55:22 PM

It kills me when I read guys asking what to do in bait and switch situations. If they lady shows up and is clearly not the person you expected to see, send her away. If she indcates she wants a cancelation fee, say , no thank you because she is not the person you intended to see. If you go to a location and the lady who wants to provide you service is not the person you wanted to see, just leave.

In both situations the only thing you have wasted is your time. Don't complain if you get caught in a bait and switch situation and you still pay for the session. Don't give me , "I was already horny so I decided to go through". If your self control is that limited, and you feel comfortable paying for service that you are already unhappy with, then you have no right to complain. Yes the session may turn out to be great but then again it may not.

That brings me to my second point. Just because you read about a lady's skills on this or any other site. Don't assume the experience will be just as good for you. The lady is not a robot. What you bring to the table has just as much to factor in to if the session will be good or not. If you communicate your wants and desires, you will go a bit further in getting what you want out of the session instead of expecting the lady to play guessing games. It has been my experience that many of the lady's truly strive for you to have a good time and are not in the habit of giving a few good sessions to build a rep and then giving sub-par service just to get the money once her rep is established. As fast as good reviews go up, a string of bad ones can as well. I think the lady's realize that. I will always caution, prior to writing a bad review about a lady, re-examine the situation and be honest with yourself to determine was there anything you did that made the experience bad. For you its an hour diversion but to the lady, its her business and livelihood.

I'm Out!

Now Hit My Music!

I'm often disappointed by the TER reviews that result from the Bait & Switch. They are almost always rated 1 to 5 at best in all instances. The girls end up being unattractive and provide sub-standard service.

What I'm particularly disappointed in, is that the gentlemen don't WALK AWAY.

What do you do in a Bait & Switch situation? WALK AWAY!!!

Look, we don't know anything about the provider when we call to make an appointment, except what she looks like. If we didn't care about that, we would book with an escort from the black & white text classifieds. You're there because of the picture. Even if the service was excellent, your experience is going to be tainted by the initial deception. Trust is important in this business and I'm not trusting anyone who deceives me from the onset.

Girls Bait & Switch for only one reason. Avoiding LE is not the reason. They claim it's to avoid LE, but you see all the accurate pics on the Web, most of them even show faces. The real reason is this:

1. They are trying to deceive you into paying them money because they know you wouldn't book an appointment if they were honest about it.

WALK AWAY - Please put the Bait & Switchers out of business and give more money to the fabulous, honest, beautiful women who provide great service. Nothing good can come from going through with a session with a Bait & Switch. You will feel terrible about yourself for being duped. WALK AWAY!!!


-- Modified on 6/1/2002 2:01:43 PM

Expectations are a dangerous thing. The TER reviews are fabulous, because 90% of the time they let you know what to expect. I certainly rely on this information to make the basic decision of whether or not to call for an appointment. But that's as far as I take the reviews.

I take the reviews with a grain of salt because I realize that my expectations are going to color and distort the encounter. If a review says she kisses, and I go into the session expecting her to kiss me, or try to kiss her right off the bat, she's probably going to back away from me and treat me as suspect.

Chemistry is what drives this business. We gentlemen are chemically driven to pursue women. People interact differently with different people. We say Your Mileage May Vary (YMMV). Very simply, experiences with a provider are going to be different. Providers, like everyone have good days and bad days. Like all women, they have cycles. And yes, they burn out over time, just as we all do when we've been doing one job for a long period. This business is physical and emotional and (I would imagine) as difficult a job as anyone could do.

I don't believe it's conscious that they slack off because of good reviews, but a person can start to believe their own press so they stop trying.


-- Modified on 6/1/2002 3:45:35 PM

On the same note as Bait & Switch providers and deceptive reviews, it is also quite common for providers to post fake reviews to try and get business. This is practiced particularly by the Bait & Switch providers, since deception is their game. TER is good about weeding the fake reviews out, but it takes time and reports from members and real reviews to uncover the deception.

Do what you can to verify the review for yourself. Take a look at the reviewers record. If this is the first review for the provider and the first review for the reviewer - red flag!!!

The most reliable reviews are from members who have a lot of reviews, dating back several months. That is significant time for TER and the other members to determine if the reviewer is legit.

Finally .. One of my favorite topics along with DATY ...
# 1 ... Reviews are for pure reference ONLY ... remember YMMV
# 2 ... if you  get caught in a bait and switch it's your own damn fault and your a fool to part with a penny of your cash. stop whinning !!!!
# 3 We the male penis need to stop thinking with our manhood and start using our brains once in awhile. If she doesn't feel right, look right, sound right, then send her packing.
# 4 If you go the agency route, hold off on givng her a dime until you find out what her full service price will be, if still in doubt boot her out.
# 5 there are 10's of thousands of ladies out there, do some homework, THINK with what's between your ears .. not with what's between your legs .....
Now I question for all of you ... WHY TIP !!! If you buy a new 4X4 truck do you tip the sales guy an extra $ 1000.00 for giving you a good deal .... If she was good to you great ... that's what your paying for already ... If she was outstanding then you'll give her an excellent review, she'll in turn get more business and probably increase her rates....... I don't understand why we are so loose to give our hard earned green away.... If you have $1200.00 to go shopping with .. do you buy 4 @ $300 or 3 @ $300 plus tip... if you've done your homework and the quality is the same.... I vote QUANITY .........

I am TRULY sorry to hear about the bait and switch game.  I share some of the sentiments of the responses.  However, I am not of the opinion that the situation is entirely in your control.

Like most people using providers, I am confident that you paid the cancellation fee NOT because you wanted to.  Perhaps you felt coerced into doing just that.  

If you live in an apartment community, or if you have gone to a hotel to meet with your providers NOT paying your provider may potentially result in a scene...  Like you, I am worried about the consequences.   I am NOT sure what would be the proper protocol then.  

The reviews are another matter all together.  I wish TER would have a better and more consistent way of rating the overall experience of a provider  -- some factors that should be considered are price, duration of stay, multiple pops, quality of the person, etc.

There is NO doubt that some of the providers have their friends submit outstanding reviews for them, or they themselves submit reviews for them.

In terms of con artist, I wish TER had a permanent file on these con artist and that they shared this information with RedBook, Big Doggie, etc.  That way the providers know not to play people for fool or else that the cancellation is all they will ever make ...

Regarding the situations where a pattern of regularity (speaking in terms of frequency) is established, while every encounter can become more satisfying, there is also the possibilty of it can become more routine in nature.  Even in the first instance, it's almost assured that a certain plateau will be reached.  Mind you that plateau might be wonderful...but it's unrealistic to expect each session will soar to heights beyond those reached before.  Usually what happens is that the plateau is at best only maintained & often begins a gradual decline.  In certain respects this hobby merely imitates life.

When things do reach the plateau (or even if they begin to decline somehat) it's usually not as a result of simply an change in attitude by the gal.  Maybe both parties are equally part of allowing things to become routine...just like a husband/wife or BF/GF do.

I disagree about inconsistencies of the reviews of the performers.  From my experience, they're pretty consistent except for some women who are just naturally uneven (or unstable).  The main problem is the fake reviews.  That's what throws everything off.  They're either the girl or not.  They either give you the service or bullshit you and say give me more money for that, and then don't give it.
A red flag for me is when they only do outcall.  Seems like 90% of the ripoffs are from those who do outcall.  I do in call whenever possible.
After a while, you can tell when you call if that person is the actual girl.  Actually, when it's harder to get a hold of someone, that's a better sign you're actually calling the person in question.  If someone always picks up the phone and gives the same stock lines about "I'm very open minded," etc., another red flag goes off.

I enjoy giving someone a tip if they have given me good service.

I have been known to tip sales people in retail stores if they have gone out of their way for me. Even though they are "just doing their job", I am so disgusted by how few people do their jobs well these days that I want to acknowledge and encourage someone doing their job excellently.

I am lucky in that I have more money than a lot of people, and I have simple material wants. It makes me feel good to give someone something that probably means more to them than it means to me, as a way of thanking them for doing a good job for me, or doing something that I consider "extra" for me, or just making me feel good.

I tip heavier in ski towns than elsewhere, because I like that some of these people are living their dream. Although I never took off to live in a ski town, and I am actually glad I didn't, I have been around enough to know how broke most of them are, and I would like to help them, especially if they do a good job for me.

I saw a FBSM provider for the second time recently. The first time I saw her, she instantly became one of my favorites. I gave her a $20 tip. The second time I saw her, we were lying around French kissing (which we had done the first visit) and just making out and looking at each other with mooneyes. It was really cute and sexy. She looked me right in the eye and said, "I could just look at you all day long." That got me. I've thought about that moment a lot of times since then. Whether she meant it or not, it was really sweet that she said it. She probably didn't mean it, since I am 57 and she is in her early 20's, and she is beautiful and I am not. Doesn't matter. When I reflect on that moment, I mostly think "what a nice thing for her to say, and say so convincingly, even though she was just acting", and a little part of me wonders if she actually might have meant it. It has made my week a better week. I am glad I gave her a bigger tip when I left that day, especially since I know she is thinking about how she is going to pay her rent. I was already ecstatic to be lying with this beautiful, sweet, naked young girl in my arms French kissing her. That was more than enough to make my day. She didn't have to go any further. But she did, and that made my week nicer. I hope my tip made her week nicer.

It makes me feel good to think it might have.

With all due respect, I politely disagree with your assessment Imemine on two counts ...

i.  The consistenacy of the reports and services offered.  Like everything else in life, people have their favorites and boost their ratings of their favorite provider.  The other issue is that NOT everyone states they got taken for a ride if the provider has received a ton of good press for fear of being branded or having his credibility being challenged.  

Upon reviewing some of the more recent reviews, I made the following observations about the provider(s):

  -  Not on time
  -  Was a bigot
  -  Session was rushed
  -  Services not provided as advertised
  -  No DFK, DATY, BBBJ, Greek

and the overall performance ratings were 8, 9, and 10!

ii.  Most of the rip-offs, and bait & switch I have encountered have been with providers who do incall exclusively -- especially, hotels.  Tell tale signs include:
 -  Multiple calls for confirmation
 -  No room number provided
 -  Registered last name not provided (hotel reservation)
 -  Visiting for 2 - 3 days
 -  E-mail correspondence only
 -  Paypal payment in advance