I'll go first, I'll see a 7.5/9.5 every time!! I think a 9.5/7.5 is the same as jerking off while watching porn 🤔 Just my $0.02
There are times, through out a given year, that I feel I can get a 7.5 without paying, who is great in bed. I am speaking about a civie women now. Tbh, it doens't happen often, but it happens occasionally.
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The reason I pay what I do in this realm, is to see RW 9.5s+ that would never sleep with me IRL, as their 7.5 performance will do just fine by me. 
As someone who routinely puts service way over looks, trust me - most mongers prefer looks over skills and performance.
To answer the ops question, the assumption I guess is that those scores are accurately representative of the actual looks /service. If so definitely the one with 9.5 performance
As a service first guy, I tend to see firsthand the annoying practice of providers who have good looks, typically receiving a much better service grade than their skill level dictates.
This results in sessions where I go in expecting a service queen and instead get a middling service.
Interestingly enough similar thing happens with women who do not have great looks or aren't young. A lot of them I suspect get "pity" service ratings. So then I show up and discover that not only their looks are meh (as expected per review) but their service is nothing special and it was just driven by a reviewer who didn't want to give low grades across. And us service guys end up with a woman we aren't attracted to and who also delivers a rudimentary service. Ouch.
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I can get past average service if she’s absolutely stunning. I cannot get past average looks no matter how good her service is. It’s that simple for me.
7.5 is average looks?
But numbers are all subjective. What’s 7.5 to you?
7.5 is well above average
Are you saying that because 5 is in the middle of 10? My interpretation is because I have never seen someone give a 5 or less for service that was anything but bad. 6 more often than not is below average as well, but I have seen some 6s where the review is actually decent. 7 seems to be a mixed bag. I have seen 7s where service is great and where the reviewer says they were disappointed. It’s not until 8 and above where the majority of reviews I read are positive.
Since using TER, I have never seen a provider that has below 8 for service. I will say I give more leeway on the occasions I see kgirls. They seem to be reviewed tougher. But outside of kgirls, I usually see ladies that are high 8s or in the 9s. So, it’s probably also influenced by my choices. And, that’s why I said it’s subjective.
Do we go by what the scores have come to mean, over time, or do we go by their original intent? That is why everyone is talkng past each other in this thread. We haven't yet defined what "7.5" even means to everyones satisfaction. Some are taking it to mean "poor", others as just "average", while I took it as "good, not great."
And even if we go by what they come to mean, we don’t all agree. Even that part is subjective. Where we live, who we see, services we want, and much more can contribute to our expectations. Someone who doesn’t care about DFK and BBBJ might see a lady who does neither and is incredible. A 7 was the best she could get. In that scenario, the value of a 7 is completely flipped. It’s the best! Someone like myself won’t even look at ladies who don’t do both. So they can at least get a 9.
I think I wasn’t even the toughest on a 7.5. Two basically said 7.5 service is not even worth the money and they’d rather beat off to porn. IMO, rather beat off to porn suggests it’s bad.
He would never grade a girl above a TER 7, no matter how hot she was.
Here's an example...
Mind you, I do give above 7s. But how I view reviews from others is that 7 often is a red flag. And this is why I cross check reviews. If I see a 7 and I see the guys other reviews and 7 is not uncommon, and the review itself is positive, I feel that's a good 7. But if I see a 7 and his other reviews are mostly 8s, 9s, and/or 10s and the review itself isn't flattering, I feel that's a bad 7. Review inflation is too built in at this point.
I saw a provider on here who has a 9.2 overall rating. She rarely gets anything below an 8, and mostly gets 9s, and a fair amount of 10s too. I was very disappointed. Her looks were average at best, and her service was below average. I gave her a 7-6. She wrote me and lost her mind. She cursed me out and called me names. She harassed me over my honest review, and it wasn't even that bad. And because of retaliation behavior, reviews can be inflated and we need to read tea leaves to figure out if it's actually good or not, despite the rating.
On the one hand… This reminds me of a viral post from a few years ago. A makeup artist that worked in the porn industry posted before and after pictures for some famous porn stars. The difference was incredible. Some women looked like completely different people without makeup. This isn’t just pornstars; famous actresses and TV personalities are always seen with make up and at their best. In this world, we evaluate providers who have pictures where they’re wearing make up, are dressed up, and photoshopped (GASP!). I wonder how realistic a perfect 10 is? How many perfect 10’s exist in real life? And if they do exist, are they really fucking us for a few hundred bucks? If we ran into our favorite porn starts IRL, how disappointed would we be? If we ran into a famous actress after she rolled out of bed, what would she actually look like? Also does p4p skew our perspective? Many clients are able to hook up with providers that are out of their league IRL. So should we really be hard on providers that may be hotter than us but are also not perfect manifestations of our fantasies, or not the hottest woman we’ve ever paid to fuck? (Especially if they were super nice and gave us a really good time?)
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On the other hand, I’ve definitely ran into the situation you described. I’ve seen it with providers who are getting older or have put on weight. They’re used to getting good scores, but father time is undefeated. As time goes on, reviewers play along because they had a good time. At some point one reviewer calls her out and a meltdown usually happens. Providers really don’t like clients bashing their looks for any reason. I get it, who wants to get criticized by a guy who you probably wouldn’t fuck for free? I mean who wants to get their looks criticized by anyone? And… what does an individual client gain from being honest in certain situations?
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However, part of this is just kind of being a gentleman. If a woman is nice to you and shows you a good time it would be kind of rude to turn around and call her average, below average or ugly even if there is some truth to it. I personally believe that sex appeal and being sexy transcends just physical looks. Personality does matter. So if a provider is kind and respectful while performing well and showing me a good time then she is going to be sexy in some respect and deserves a score that reflects that even if she is not physically perfect.
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I guess what I’m trying to say is… 1) how realistic are our expectations? 2) is being honest always worth it? and 3) people’s perceptions on looks are subjective and personality does play a role in evaluating how “sexy” someone is and it would usually be rude anyway to call someone ugly after they sucked my cock.
Did you link the wrong post? You link does not say GaG would never grade a girl above a 7. It talks about grade inflation. GaG was also know to never write reviews so how he would have graded any of the ladies he saw is unknown.
I would argue a bit with his claim about grade inflation -- not that I don't think some exists. Maybe a sub thread here is good, I would say the average provider probably looks better than the average woman and I wonder how many are using the number scale (as GaG seemed to be doing in a sense) that 5/6 is average rather than plain/nice and 7 is attractive. We all know beauty is in the eye of the beholder and what passes as plain or nice to some can easily be attractive to others. So in part I think people are using the numbers incorrectly, or at least in a different way, so you get something of a garbage in garbage out result.
So was it all grade inflation to see the scaling shift up towards 7 to 9/10 or is it simply the impact of an increasing number of observations and a better, or even messier, point estimate of the population assessment? I think that would be a difficult question to answer without a lot of investigation.
I was only willing to go through a few posts and the one I chose was one that showed he didn't subscribe to the way most people here see the grading system. As for GaG not reviewing, that was because he was not allowed to since he was a volunteer mod.
But I spent a great deal of time with him in LV, NY and Costa Rica so I know how tough a grader he was. We had lots of fun grading Ticas at the Del Rey and Cocal.
He wasn't a mod his entire time here. I don't think that was why he didn't review. Not a knock on him, I liked and respected him. He was a very good voice here. Plus, I'm hardly in any position to criticize anyone for not reviewing at this point since I don't anymore either.
But still, even if you're lazy don't make a claim and then provide evidence which doesn't support it.
I don't actually see how GaG might have scored matters to the discussion here. It was a sub thread on the OP where I questioned the characterization of 7.5 as average looks. Struck me as a bit odd but if that's how he interprets or uses it, that's him. I think most take that to mean something above average. Not sure why that particular level was selected -- initially I was thinking how to get people to think of service versus looks so making the differences a bit smaller might be a good way. Then again, how strongly people feel about service versus looks might better be shown by having a larger difference. Not sure if the OP was looking for a fine distinction or just general views (I suspect just the latter).
I don’t think we can easily conclude most see 7.5 above average. Two people equated 7.5 service as not worth the money and they would rather beat off to porn. And service is even harder since it’s capped by having to include BBBJ, DFK, Greek, and/or a threesome. Most meets max at 9.
I think there can be an argument that a 7.5 service is higher on the scale than a 7.5 looks, since anyone can hand out a 10 for looks without having to meet a qualifier. Lots of top providers are loaded with 10/9 reviews. Looks tend to bring their averages up.
But I do think you’re obviously right that some see it like you. Neither of us are alone in our thoughts. And there are some different than both of us. Without surveying, it’s hard to know where most stand.
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Well I'm not sure I would put much stock in what anyone that says 7.5 in service is "better off staying home". They don't sound like they are quite connected to the same world I am. At the very least it's an absurdly high level of inflation to be claiming.
I don't think it works well to try comparing scores for looks with scores for service but do agree with the general implication that looks will be more subjective than services will be (but even there I'm not sure how strongly I hold that view). I think the important issue is that both are ordinal scales and as such there really is not an average one can point to in the usual sense. You can say middle of the scale but you can say the same thing about a thermometer but that doesn't really help figure out what them temperature will feel like to you.
1) Actually, I think these lines in GaG's post actually ARE responsive to what I said: "even a TER 7 is pretty homely most of the time.
I think we all need to admit that due to "grade inflation" and reviewers with either no balls or no standards AND the guys who don't want to "hurt a woman's business" even if she just ripped him off, we are left with a de facto 7-10 scale here on TER."
Not perfect, but enough to stop me from looking further, though I'm sure there are some better ones in the archives. Feel free to look and let us know.
2) You are, of course, correct that he wasn't a mod his entire time here. Obviously, a volunteer mod would have had to have been a well-established and valued poster for some years before being selected. He hasn't shared with me why he didn't review prior to being a mod but I assume he was just lazy.
The post of yours I responded to just had the one bit about Gag never rating above a 7 no matter how hot the girl was. LOL
But, and you can check with him next time you see him, ask him what score his current other half would get. Then if you want you can tell us what you think she is.
Anyone that is interested can run some searches based on scoring and get a sense of frequencies and distributions. Crude but gives a sense of things. Then they can match that against their own experience and see if the distributions are close enough or TER scoring is really out of wack. Years sense I had VIP so cannot do it any more. In the past I've do that when someone has made some strong claims about the score inflation. Generally I've come away with the view that the claims are at least as inflated and some claim the scoring is. Not sure what to make of that but....
I generally read this board in Flat Mode and it's hard to follow the tiny dotted lines. So, no, I was NOT "drinking with Mickey." If you're referring to "Mikey," a/k/a MP67, he's FAR too big a drunk for that. I do speak with him regularly and half the time he's too incoherent for rational conversation. As for GaG's girl you raise an interesting point. I've seen pictures of her and she's gorgeous and hot (also funny). She's also tiny (like 4'10" is my guess) just like GaG likes them. But I'd bet he'd rate her no higher than an 8 on his scale. I don't recall what he may have said about girls he'd rate as 10s but I bet they don't exist. I haven't talked to him in a few months but when I do I'll try to get his TER rating of his girl and report to the class.
Neither GaG nor MP67 post here any more. The latter has no patience for this place any more (and, yes, is mostly too drunk). The former was banned because his hot gf/fiancee started posting using his handle (I'm not sure he even knew) and got him banned. He doesn't care enough about this board to bother trying to get back on. But this place would be a much more inserting site with both of them back. But that's as likely as SESTA/FOSTA being repealed. Or mrfisher turning to The Dark Side.
Okay, fair enough.
GaG got banned? Even if his GF did that it was kind of funny and, while I do tend to think rules generally apply to all equally, he certainly should have had enough political capital (lacking a better term) built up over all this time that they would let a little thing like that go. Not like she was really harming things here. But TER always does what TER will do -- regardless of who the owners are at the time. I just thought he was staying faithful, as he always said he was in a relationship, so had not real interest or need to contribute.
And yes MP67's posts were always amusing to read. Having both back would be great. Who was the other guy that always posted the most bizarre and absurd things? He needs to come back too.
But can Fisher turn to the dark side? I think he just lightens it up.
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"Your thoughts if any?"
(Is this an Escalade or a Coupe De Ville? Your thoughts if any?) 
(Also, GaG has no interest in posting here again. I don't blame him. No offense to anyone present but the level of discourse here ain't what it used to be).
I would put 7.5 a fair bit above average, just as I would think 7.5 is a fair bit higher than 5.5 (which I am not saying people use the numbers as TER attempted to have them use them or as I do). When I think of average in looks I'm actually thinking about all women, not just providers I've seen of some more narrow set of women I might want to sleep with. So compare the providers looks to my assessed average look of women I've seen when working, when shopping, when at the beach, when out dining, at parties, at school (when younger). From that perspective 7.5 is pretty attractive to me and looks that I would be fine waking up in the morning with.
I can certainly see 7.5 being interpreted differently if you’re using it to compare to all women. A larger percentage of providers than all women are likely considered attractive. It’s a harder profession for women who don’t have the looks, so it makes sense. This may explain why you and I are interpreting 7.5 differently. I’m not using it to compare to all women. I’m probably not even comparing to all providers. I’m more comparing it to providers I would consider seeing and how it’s being used on TER.
If we were to actually use the grading system properly, a 10 would be extremely rare air for looks. A 10, when compared to all women, is supermodel/beautiful actress level. A 9 would even be rare. That’s maybe your standard model/actress type. 7s and 8s would be much more prevalent and be perfectly fine. This is probably where your girl next door types would land. Many of us would consider 7s and 8s gorgeous. A 6 would be okay. Still decent looking and most likely acceptable by most of us. Sadly, this is not what I see when I look at how TER ratings are used.
That said, we could probably flip the script the same way on services. 7.5 should not be average or bad. Likely compared to all women, it’s not. But IMO when compared to the mean on TER, and looking at what some write, and knowing how some are too afraid to be honest, a 7.5 is not as good as it should be.
I generally take that as a sign to just ignore the reviews. But might work differently for others as I play in a narrow space.
At this point for me in this industry, I could less about looks!
I'm pay for services and performance .
When I search for a provider the only body part I might filter on is that I prefer to have a lady with a hairy bush...buts it's by no means a deal-breaker!
All I really need is GFE w/cfs... if she looks great, cool...but I not paying extra for it.
Assuming that the 9.5 is a true number ands its overall not just a few reviews. Great experiences and personality go a long way in my book.
and not someone else or even the average a many, it would still depend on my mood at the time. Each there own but I would not think a 7.5 for service is the same as staying home and jerking myself off. I think someone would need to get down to the "should have stayed home" level of service. But at that point I probably would have just gone home or somewhere else and done something else of interest.
I do get the point that some are really only have interest in service, some will place a premium on service over looks and some will go for looks over service. I think a more interesting question might be something like given looks of 9.5 what is the minimum service level you will accept and be happy about the session. Same for the other side, given a 9.5 in service what is the lowest score in looks that still leaves you happy with the session?
And when the performance is fantastic she starts to look better.
Is that the flip side of closing time? 
Another way of saying most all look better with your dick in their mouth.
As long as I’m attracted to a gal I’ll put a premium on service every time. By service I’m talking about pre-appointment communication, attitude, list of services available, promptness, BCD skills and general atmosphere. I prefer the GND look anyway, so not having a stunning bombshell isn’t that big of a deal. However, If I’m not attracted it doesn’t matter how good their service is.
Scores are so subjective but I equate a 7.5 in looks as someone I’d want to have sex with at least once and a 9.5 in service with someone who I’d like to have sex with many times.
Although 7.5 is not terrible, either is my answer, but I probably wouldn't repeat. Cost is also a factor to my decision.
I guess it would depend on how ugly is 7.5. Like most, my preference is performance, but not on a 3.0 on looks. If there's an imbalance I probably would NOT repeat.
I usually set my searches for 8, 8 and above. Given that the 9.5 looks ladies typically charge more than I'll ever be in a position to pay, A 7.5 that provides 9.5 service is generally the best outcome I can hope for.
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I'm looking for a gfe/pse experience heavily skewed towards the pse. Some of the best porn features women that are not stunners but are really total sluts. So, a clean, total slut that doesnt look that great or is a little overweight gets my $ every time. I would say that more than 50% of the 9.5 "looks" providers that I have been with have been nothing special in performance.
Seven and a half? At least start the thread with 5 or 6 at the most. 7.5 is only 2.5 away from a 10! Which means it's 7.5 away from a 0. Understand? How many fuckin 10s have any of us HONESTLY been with? Hell of a lot easier to be with a 1 or a 2 than it is a 9 or a 10. Grading a person's physical appearance is quite personal and definitely subject to personal opinion. But I don't care who you are. 7.5 is damn good for pretty much any man. Hell. Brad Pitt would gladly accept a 7.5, and I'm pretty sure he's fucked more than his fair share of em.
And anyone who says looks aren't important is completely full of shit. Unless you're blind or go into those dates with a paper bag handy. GTFO. I'm not attempting to be a cruel piece of shit here, but some people (both men and women) just aren't very attractive. Is what it is. And I'm gonna have a REEEEAAAALY difficult time getting the ole boy up for the challenge if I'm not attracted to the woman I'm with. I can even get past an unappealing body as long as she's pretty. Pretty face goes a long way for me.
That said. The performance is equally important. She can be stunning and totally full of herself. Bad attitude and shitty personality = bad time no matter how pretty she is. So it's not really a black and white issue as far as I'm concerned. I will compromise "some" looks to be with a woman who is a pleasure to be with. But my boy just ain't gonna be able to get over an Eric Stoltz Mask face with a sparkling personality. Sorry but the cock knows what the cock wants.
Here at TER, the average score is closer to 8 than it is to 6, so a 7.5 appearance score would raise some red flags with me.
On the other hand, a 7.5 performance score tells me that she’s pulling some 8s and 9s, so it’s fair to expect at least either DFK or BBBJ.
I would go with the 9.5 appearance/7.5 performance over the 7.5 appearance 8 days a week.
Generally I avoid providers who are rated 7.5 in either looks or overall service. However from time to time I go see a hot young inexperienced girl when I know she is willing to dfk, daty and bbbj. I recently saw a relatively young hottie who allowed daty, but I couldn’t lick her button! That was weird, but the session still ended fine. She was cute, but the sex wasn’t very good. Would I repeat? No. On the other hand. I recently saw an older woman, who is rated an 8 (or lower) in looks by many but 9 in service mainly because of her bbbjdt! Great session! Would I repeat? Of course! I guess better service over looks wins out, but I’m still going to avoid a girl who I suspect is a 7.5 in looks or service before I book. Too many great options with higher reviews!
And if she is, and she's a 9.5/7.5 then I'll be fine with her. I need the visual. Her performance I can work around but if she's a looker, to my taste..then RACK HER!
And if I may, what's so bad about a 7.5 in performance? In my world, it's a BBBJ,LFK or mayber DFK....I'm not a Greek traveler so if its not offered, then no sweat off by ..balls.
been king, so I will always give more weight to a good service score over appearance. Beauty will often be the motivator for a first date with a new provider, but it's generally the exemplary service that makes the repeat happen.
I only see exceptionally beautiful and fit women. Their service needs to be exceedingly high also.
9.5 score consistently, I don't even care about the look rating!