Hi.  I have looked around site....and trying to figure out because I cannot find the use or definition....what is K girl please?   Yeah----not the cup of coffee

provider from Korea that uses an agency as their manager who then provides incall locations and booking services.  Most of them tour, so using a agency  for these services in each city makes more sense than maintaining their own incall in their home town.  

But in generally it's a Korean provider that has a very high level of service and generally a good price point. Many have a very common general routine (but few require it be followed) that seems so universal some have claimed there is actually a K-Girl university for training.

Thank you!  Makes sense to me now!

rates is not what defines a Kgirl, its using the business model I just described above. There are Korean-American providers that also give good service at reasonable rates, but these are not considered to be Kgirls.  The "routine" is generally reserved for guys who are shy, timid, or lacking in sexual experience with women.  its gives them a "buffet" of sorts to experience different sexual activities.  Nice try based on your limited experience.  Kudos for that.  

...In reality, most K-girls are in their mid to late 30's.  Their prices are lower than non K-girls.  They give universally good service but are VERY high volume compared to non K-girls.  K-girls see as many as 10 clients a day and quite a few offer BBFS.  K-fanboys usually like to be the first appointment of the day and rightfully so.  I mean, who wants to be the 10th customer of the day when you will literally be seeing a "cum dumpster."

I've had eleven girls tell me this month that they are seeing 2-3 customers a day.  Where did you get your information? I know its not first-hand.  

Nail meet hammer. BP is full of shit, and should stick to the politics board, where he is ignored there, too.

Got it. Now there are not independent K-Girls. Only those employed by the K-Agencies. Babo, you should at least try to be consistent with your claims within a period of three or four weeks at least.  

I know you are doing so to avoid the stereotype of the "Asian sex slave" which is most definitely true, there are so many Korean (and Thai, Chinese, et al) women competing to come here that enslaving women is hardly necessary, BUT K-Girls are by every definition Agency girls, they don't book their own appointment, provide their own incall, do their own screening, or even set their own hours, they are anything but "independents"

..It would be laughable if it wasn't such an obviously pathetic attempt to "humble brag."

I asked them when I had my session.    I just ask them how business is.  Then they say what they say.  Duh.  You really couldn't figure it out on your own?   This is not secret information.  Read the Kgirl board.  There are a lot of guys who know what the current state of the market is by having the Kgirls tell them. The one I saw earlier this evening was the last one that told me she's only getting two or three customers a day, so she might take a few weeks off.  

The Kgirls in California work where they want and when they want, the "agency" is only used for screening and booking, and hosting if needed. There have been agencies in many cities for years that provide this service for independent touring indies as well.    They are completely independent, and a larger number of them now have their own incall locations just as I described.  The girl they host in the second bedroom essentially pays the overhead for the whole apartment, so the only thing the girl who owns the incall pays for her own appointments is the booker fee, which runs between $20-30, depending on where they are.  The first Kgirl I ever say in 2009 worked out of her own apartment.  Its was a loft in Little Tokyo.  She lived in the upstairs bedroom and saw her customers in the first-floor bedroom.  More and more girls are doing this now.  That's why you see a lot of reviews that mention a Kgirl with a noisy dog.  You can't have a dog unless its your own place.  

Did TER have any influence in market practice?  I always view TER as a small player in the overall sex market (useful for us TER members, but small influence none the less.)

Pretty much what CDL said is correct. I wouldn't categorize a Korean-American provider as being a kgirl. There is something about a FOB kgirl that makes the experience better.  

are what drives customers to the girls, so the loss of CV, the advertising platform, and TER, the review site for them, within a month of each other caused chaos in the Kgirl world for a few months during that time.  If you read the Kgirl board from back then, you will see all of us  scrambling to stay on top of where we could find Kgirl photo-ads.  I even had Kgirls who had my number texting me in a panic saying there are no customers.  There were plenty of us who wanted to see them, but the phone numbers (in the CV days, each girl had a separate phone number so the booker knew from the incoming text who you were inquiring about.  That has all changed now) we had were no good anymore.  We had no way to get numbers on new girls, and the numbers we had for touring girls were no longer being answered if the girl was gone.  Gradually, all of the agencies went to a single (or sometimes two) numbers to use when booking, but it took time to get those numbers circulated among mongers.  

CDL seems to think that the world revolves around So Cal the same way IMP and other NYers seem to think the world revolves around NYC. That makes them both rather short sighted and provincial at times.  

a couple places in NYC are actually chinese mamasan and girls.  they do the same exact menu as the Kgirl places though.  are they both lumped the same in LA?

ok i didnt read all the essays above but got the readers digest version.  

The business model has been constantly evolving.  Less than one percent of Kgirls are reaching a point where they can book their own customers, so yes, by definition, they are no longer Kgirls at THAT point, they are completely on their own.  Some even eschew the high-volume concept, so they complete the transition to what a traditional indie is like.    Girls that have their own apartment and host another girl, but still subscribe to high-volume using a booker are still Kgirls, but the exact form of the business model is not what it was three years ago.  The girls are asserting much more of their independence by touring, and many will walk out midway through a shift if the booker can't keep them busy.  They are no longer under the thumb of the orgs, and the orgs are also recognizing its a new day.  Touring Kgirls were a low percentage even 5-6 years ago.  Now a majority tour.  Its good for us mongers as we getting much more variety than before.  

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Although none of them actually called them that. The model was, and still is in "most" places is a rotation of girls who work for a while in one city and then either go home to NY or LA for "vacation" and then come back, or who simply pop up in another city, sometimes under the same name sometimes with a new name and this way there is always "fresh talent" in every market.  

in your area is that you can't even get into the Kgirl agencies anymore, so I doubt you are a font of knowledge about the CURRENT state of the market, or how the business is currently being run by the agencies and newly empowered Kgirls, and it serves no purpose to recite how the business was two or three years ago the last time you went to one.  If You are going to spout obsolete information, you should preface it with something like, "I haven't gone in awhile, but . . . ."   That way, everyone here knows you are talking from PAST experience, and not about the present scene of which you know nothing.  

rebut a single word of my response to his bullshit.  How ironic that the biggest bullshitter here is the guy calling out bullshit on others,  especially on topics he knows nothing about and has no experience with.  He just can't make himself relevant no matter how hard he tries.   Bwahahahahaha

I hope you saw  your twelfth girl on day 28 to at least average 3 girls a week or that's a number I'd be complaining about not bragging about. lol

is tomorrow and I will be at 13 for March after tomorrow's session, still not as much as LA bro Silky this month.  I think he has more spare time than I do.  But his are not all Kgirls.  He sees indies, too, about half and half, I think.  Like us, he's stepping up to do his part to support the hooker economy during these trying times.  For those that have the means, I think its our patriotic duty as Americans to do what we can for this vital industry which is suffering right now under the continuing threat from coronavirus.

Yes, too often some believe their local setting defines the universe.  I do agree that there has to be some commonality across regions or the term is completely meaningless.

We're all on the same page that K in K-Girl is not about ethnic heritage but cultural upbringing and I would say it goes deeper than the learning environments available you mention. I would also suggest that everything you say about Kgirl academy relates to quality of service (again, I want to emphasize here quality needs to be about both sexual and social skills in an intimate setting but also delivered though a large culturally produced mind). You can look at my response to GaG do decide if we're largely in agreement or not.

I don't necessarily believe that the fact a girl is FOB makes the experience "better" I will agree it's different, but I have been with women from every race, from dozens of different countries and "in" dozens of different countries. There is no one "better" kind of experience that applies to everyone

At one time, during the mid 2000's I use to only see 'K-girl', the West Side, The V blvd apt building and some in the DTLA area. The service was really great, most we're attractive and submissive. But the one thing that stood out was that after the "Blue toast", I noticed that the trash can had a lot of cups, I mean alot. So my guess is that maybe at that time it was a revolving door of the 5-10 per days. Have times changed? Maybe but I don't think so.

AMP's or Asian Massage Parlors, even though many offer full service, where they have several girls and a management person on site.  The Kgirls work mostly from AAMP's which means Asian Apartment Massage Parlor (in the early days, their sessions always began with a short massage, and then they moved on to the rest of their "routine.")  These places are two-bed, two bath apartments where the girls work unsupervised, with an off-site booker scheduling and screening the customers.  There are occasionally some Chinese girls working at Kgirl agencies, as there are Japanese,  Thai and Vietnamese girls as well.  I recently saw a Japanese girl at a Kgirl apartment setup that had the biggest tits I have ever seen on an  Asian woman.  

Yeah, all PS clinics went through hell. But things are slowly coming back to normal. However, I just found out that a bunch of Korean exchange students all went home because their school years are basically all online now. Well... some of those poor bastards brought a gift to their families and decided they didn't need to quarantine for 14 days. There's a mini outbreak going on right now, but it's contained.

look stupid, by posting things out of context.  The 2-3 customers a day is NOW, during the coronavirus.  My post also said the new normal is 5-6 a day, which is what is was two months ago, and which is consistent with part of the info you read that you managed to retain.  If you think someone is crazy for believing its only 2-3 customers a day right now for Kgirls, then you don't know the SoCal market.  Cities that have only one agency, like Chicago, may still be packing them in for the TWO girls (out of six) that are actually working during coronavirus, but SoCal has no less than a dozen and a half agencies and the girls are not getting more then 2-3 a day each on average.  A few have even closed temporarily because the girls are fearful of working, while there are others, like the one I linked above, that are only one girl short of maximum capacity at their OC branch, but they are all competing for a reduced customer base during coronavirus.  

I see your point. The FOB status I used was mainly to point out a kgirl vs a Korean-american girl. I think if a 2nd gen Korean tried to follow the same formula/routine as a kgirl, there would still be a difference. I've been with both and I can definitely tell there's a difference. But yeah, I've had girls in HK, Taiwan, Macao, Singapore, Japan, and I've always had great experiences. Most of them spoke English or at least understood what I was saying, but I had great times in all those countries. And you're right, kgirls will always pretend to have little to no English skills, but they understand everything LMAO. It's a great trick to keep the moronic clients at bay.  

I suppose you haven't heard about this little thing called COVID19 that has the entire world running scared. Most people in the big cities that even have K-Girls are under "shelter in place" orders and most people are afraid to run to the grocery store much less see a K-Girl.  

mouthwash cups, it probably meant a guy with dead fish breath showed up and she tried to fix it before giving up and sending him packing.  

Nobody really knows, you, me. CDL, nevertoolarge,  we don't know. Remember they're are some out there that believe this is a hoax? So it'll be business as usual. I think CDL was seeing 3 a week as I recall...do you think he's the only one? Sorry CDL...hate to break it you.  
In today's climate is 2-3 a possibility? Sure..Is 5-10 possible, sure. We don't know. They do have a very attractive price point, jus sayin
if you want to have a tit for tat on the numbers..have at it. Just don't be so naive.

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lol -- I just went to the grocery store yesterday to take some fruits to the K-Girl was went to see (though sadly I might have been the first to see her that day, if not a couple of days).

you are speculating that others don't know the same things that you don't know.  You have to allow for the fact that those of us still seeing two or three Kgirls a week may have information that you don't have.  You say that "we" don't know this, or "we" don't know that, when speculation should include only your own POV.  

That these young ladies are having a pretty good month of March.
Now take the numbers of reviews, times it by 15-18 (the dates that don't review) and based it on a 5 day work week...well you get the drift.
The west side area has a lot of disposable income and for 250, there's a good lil getaway there. Look, even now they're getting calls. And there are guys, that are just carrying on like it's no big deal, it's cool...I got no beef with that.
And from back in my days, from what I recall. The booker has a "Black" book. New girl comes in and the booker would let the guys know that there's a "New Girl" in town. Then she becomes the flavor of the month. It'll be a revolving door to see her if she is good. Then the reviews come in and voila, She's packing 5-10,,,,even in these times.
Now I don't dispute your poll by the local guys, but there's a group that just lurks and don't say shit here. You guys really don't speak for what really goes on for that group, because unless you're the booker, you don't now
And one thing, I don't argue all your post, God who has the time....lol So contrary to what was posted, I'm not looking to pick a fight. You just say some weird ass shit sometimes....lol

They might lie to clients, but they all have their "inner circles" of friends and Boy Friends that know the truth. Not to mention agency owners also have friends with whom they are totally honest with as they rely on some of those friends for business advice, not because a "man" is necessarily smarter than them, but because an American born person with a lot of business experience is going to know things about how business is done in the US that a person born in Korea and who has only been here a few years is not.  

Oooops!

Like you said, even if she tries to follow the K-Girl script to the letter, there is still "something" different about it.  

And yes she was/is Chinese, or Chinese-American, I thought she was born and raised in Hong Kong, but I don't remember for sure. So I'll give you some points for a decent guess.

is not the same as in the past where, as you said, the girls were "rotating" at the direction of their org.  If you have ever sat with a girl while she was negotiating dates to work in another city where she has not been before, you would have to concede this is an evolution from what you have described.  I have been outside with Kgirls within the last year who excused themselves to me in order to talk in Korean to a booker in another city who was returning their call about lining up a three-week spot two months down the road, in order to keep their coming schedule "tight."  Much of the rotation in the past was at the direction of affiliated orgs where they TOLD the girl where she would go next.  Such is not the case today.  They must find places that have openings on their own.  Touring is not another term for agency rotation any more.   In fact, in your first line you agree that in the past they were not called "touring" girls.  One SoCal agency even warns customers that the girls are "independent, they work when they want and they're off when they want.  If there is no business, they can leave, so there is no guarantee how long any girl on the schedule will be here."  

disposable income available on the West side.  However, if you look at a current coronavirus map of LA, you will see that the majority of the confirmed cases are located on the Westisde.  Mid-Wilshire (Ktown) area is included, so all of the area West of DTLA is higher risk.  By contrast, there are very few cases, relatively speaking on the East side of LA, in the San Gabriel Valley.  OC's concentration is in the northern part of the county.  I live in the southern part, along the coast.  I think this readily available info is causing mongers to be leery of coronavirus hotspots, and that is reflected in the low number of customers the girls are seeing, ESPECIALLY on the Westside.  The girls that have big savings accounts are just sitting it out, but the ones that can't afford to do that are working, but having to share the available customer pool, which is much smaller than it was in January or February.   IF the lurkers were staying in the game, as you speculate they might be, the girls would be doing better, but they're not.  Or maybe the lurkers ARE staying in the game, but with 15 of the agencies in LA/OC still open, there are just not enough lurkers to keep the girls busy.   My guess is that lurkers are just as smart as the posters are, and they are not going be taking more risks proportionately, then the guys who are active on TER.  

You concede that once a girl starts doing her own booking she is no longer really considered a K-Girl, the number of girls doing this really isn't relevant, we aren't talking statistics here, we are talking definitions, and it's clear that you agree with my point that a Korean Provider who does her own booking, screening etc is no longer considered a K-Girl

I have seen Kgirls all over the country, and SoCal seems to be where the innovation comes from and the first place where changes in the business are seen, with the exception of advertising BBFS.  That also started in California, but in the Bay Area, where they call it PSE instead of BBFS, but its the same service.  Now it is commonplace in SoCal as well.  I have not seen agency ads in any other part of the country yet that publishes who is offering BBFS on the agency website.  So while the world does not revolve around SoCal, the Kgirl scene most definitely does.  That's why a city like Chicago has ONE Kgirl agency with a max occupancy of six girls, and LA/OC/SD has about 18 with a max occupancy of nearly ninety at present.  Of course, they are staffing at about half capacity during coronavirus.  Same with the Bay Area (SJ, SF, SM, Emeryville) with about 12 or 13 agencies and a capacity of approximately 60 girls at any given time.  DMV has five agencies with about 25-30 girls at capacity.  I don't know about NYC.  Never seen Kgirls there.    

because we are (mostly) all bored i'll post again ..    clarification  my 5 to 10 guys a day comment was referencing before the current crazy virus time.       and to be candid, right now, i would not see a K-Girl under any circumstance.   even if only down to 2 to 3 appts day,    catching and transmitting this virus is far more likely than any STD ever was.    unless of course you are seeing the girl with a full scuba breathing apparatus on !      not worth saving a couple hundred to risk your health !       heck if you put a gun to my head i would be more willing to go bareback with a KGirl than let her breath on me      (not because she is asian purely due to number of contacts)  

My understanding is 5-6 is average. Getting into 7-8 is a lot, and 10 would be the far end of the bell curve. In the non-K-girl world, I've only heard of a handful doing the 8-10 range, and they're usually sub-20-year-olds and they don't last too long. Long being two weeks at most. I don't know the background but one girl who was doing that many guys just wanted as much business as possible. Although, she was a bit of a freak and I truly believe she had a sex addiction, nymphomaniac or something. She was a dirty girl and would take it in any one of three places, with pleasure.