Somebody needs to explain this to me. In every f'ing business I am aware, the business COUNTS the money before the customer leaves. Well....EVERYONE but THIS one. I know that is the etiquette, certainly among many higher end ladies, but I dont get it. I have countless stories of ladies getting shorted....COUNTLESS...so why do the ladies continue to let this happen? What dont you all change the etiquette? Do you think we are going to get offended? Leave? We are just about to get a piece! We aint going anywhere!!! lol.

Now, I get the whole "not counting the money in front of the customer" thing. Thats a little "street-walkerish." Sooooo.....how 'bout this instead..the guy comes in, puts his envelope down, she greets him for 10-15 minutes or however long chit chat time lasts, when its "get comfortable" time, she takes the envelope, heads to the head to do her business and....to do her business!!! She then counts her money outside of her clients eye. Really, is this that difficult a problem to solve? Every women I mention this to always says "You're right, you're right...but I just view my self as a high end lady and thats the standard." Does the Ritz Carlton think of itself as a high end hotel? Do they "count" their money AFTER the client leaves the premises? What am I a missing here???

Because it doesn't fit in the GFE theme..

Solution... Excuse yourself to take a shower.. So you can get fresh and she can count the money forwards, backwards and whichever way she wants..

Once you come back, both of you can enjoy the time together...

Guy puts donation in the bathroom upon arrival, girl excuses herself to "go change" and counts it. I don't, but that's how many of my friends do it. In this day and age of refs and blacklist sites, I don't see the need to bother with it if I meet a guy on the boards, or if I have his personal info. If he is stupid enough to rip me off knowing I have his life history, no love lost lol. He is an idiot, who I would not bother with again.

I've been ripped off maybe 3 times in five years, but it was my own fault. Yea it sucks, but you learn a lesson and move on.

Hi BPM,

... the money in front of me! I don't recall any lady doing that until after I left! I never shorted any lady, so it's all good!!

The number one reason ladies do not count the donation up front, is many gents get offended, & it ruins the "GFE" illusion. There are guys who will put that in reviews & score lower, based on a lady counting the donation up front. Yes, it is a business, & for most other businesses, you would not even think about not paying up front... but you never know which gents will be the one's who get offended, & then go put in reviews/or back-channeling, that the lady is "rude" or "ruined the illusion", for counting(or in some cases, even requesting the $ up front).

Thankfully, many gents will excuse themselves to the restroom, which gives the lady time to check the amount.. but many more do not...which leaves the lady in the predicament to either count the $ in front of him, or gauge that the amount is correct by just looking at it quickly.

In most cases, they count it when they excuse themselves to the bathroom, or when the guy is in the bathroom. I guess it is bad etiquette to count it in front of the client, but it's not bad etiquette to count it before the session. In fact, it's kind of stupid not to!

I actually prefer that they do count it before the session really gets started (preferably in the bathroom while she's getting comfortable) especially if it is the first time I seen her. That way she knows she is being properly compensated and can focus all her attention on having a good time.

Almost every high end lady I see doesnt count it at all until I am gone! I think that is jack shit crazy but I swear that is the truth. I'm not talking about women I have seen mulitple times, thats understandable, but women I have seen for the first time, and sometimes I am seeing them for 4 or 5 hours, so we are not talking about chump change. I dont get it...

counting like a game of Monopoly in front of the client is not good or classy.

I always excuse myself to the bathroom and then count my money.
If the guy does not leave the envelope in the bathroom but on a table in the room I excuse myself to the bathroom to get changed and I take the envelope with me.
I have been in this business over six years I have never been ripped-off.
On one occasion when I checked the envelope my donation was short 50 I let the guy know and he immediately gave me the rest of the money.
I provide GFE but I do not get the statements the OP has heard from other providers who are high end and they do not want to ruin the illusion of a GFE.These are the same providers who will be yelling from here to tomorrow about being ripped off and what should she do?
These high end providers who believe in not checking the envelope first and get shorted I am sure they have the guys info.Having his info did not prevent these type of guys from not ripping providers off.

I really could care less about the guy having an attitude if I check my money.
Yes I have even checked my money in front of my client if he put the money down and there was no envelope.Call me tacky if you want to but I am going home with all of my money!

I know you are correct. But it always amazed me that a dude would be insulted that a babe would count the $$.  I bet he sure as hell did when the teller handed it to him or when it popped out of the ATM !

from the teller or the ATM when I count it.

most providers I've seen count the money after I've gone.  There's usually no opportunity for them to count it first because I usually use the bathroom downstairs and drop the envelope on a desk or dresser.  I can't recall any provider I've seen saying the envelope should be left in the bathroom.  A few of them have counted the money in front of me, or were counting it when I came out of the bathroom at some point during the session.  To me, it's not a big deal, though I'd rather not see them do it.

I would not get offended if it is counted before after or even during.As far as GEF illusion should  not affect that at all. We all know were not really Boy friend Girl friend.You can count it in front of me don't make me mad at a store when thay count.Can understandwhy provider would count it so they don't get riped off.Never been a problem for me put correct amount down and have fun.

Agree!  Well said.

But you posted your original question as if this is the case for everyone. Obviously that is not so, judging from your responses.

I get what you are saying, and I know that there are "delusional" guys out there that may take offense.  I totally get the GFE reference, and I very much like and prefer that type of experience.  But really guys, when I drop off an envelop or a pile of cash, no matter how discreetly, I am under no illusion.  And, ladies, please handle it however you feel comfortable.  If you are comfortable, we are going to have a much better time and that is why I am there.  Some ladies prefer envelops, and others prefer to "see the green".  In those cases, I fan the cash when I put it down so that it is relatively easy to validate with a glance.  

If a guy acts like you impugned his integrity by counting the money, he is probably the one you need to worry about shorting you, lol.

But then I don't use an envelope either.

But if some gal wanted to count it out...we could play that game.

And if she can't get the correct answers...well, what happens on Jeopardy when they are wrong.

"Oohhh...sorry"  

I think it adds a bit of class to the exchange, and that it is not some sex for money dealing.
We are paying for time and companionship!  

Also if you watch videos of LE stings, they always try to get the target to bring up the money before springing the trap.  It's best not to say anything about the cash or fees paid.  
Just set it on the counter, have some fun, and let her take care of it.

I feel it is just good etiquette on the part of the hobbyist.
No uncomfortable moments tallying up tens and twenties.  
A quick glance (maybe during a bathroom break) verifies sufficiency.

Once, a very nice lady kind of chased me down the hall after a very nice visit.  She hadn't seen the envelope I'd left on her dresser and was very happy to see I hadn't stiffed her (money-wise, that is).

You threw "everyone" in there, not me. I specifically didnt speak in absolutes on puprose and of course I can only speak for my experiences and people I know.

But you threw out your idea of the lady excusing herself to the bathroom to count the money like it's some brilliant new idea.
In my experience, and even from things I have read on the boards and in reviews, that is actually the norm!

Peace out!

This way I assume if the lady wants to, she can check my addition while I am in the bathroom.
I do notice that the envelope is usually still exactly where I left it so maybe most of them don't take it until after I have left.

In fact, I dont think its some brilliant idea Storm. I guess thats the point of my post. I am just stunned how many ladies dont do it, so in essence, it is new to them. And peace to you, my Hawaiian brutha! lol (you bastid! its like 25 degress here! lol)

Doesn't exactly need to be counted! Unless you are paying with Jeffersons or Washingtons

And you are saying in your entire "professional hobbying" career, and dozens or hundreds of hookers you have seen, not a single one was ever out of your sight for a minute with a chance to count the money? Not saying I don't believe you, but it is hard to believe! In my case, many have not counted the money, but all have the opportunity either while she is in the bathroom or while I am in the bathroom. I just assume, that is their chance to count it and whether they do or not is up to them.

Those see high end ladies often does not fall in the category you mention so. I have never ever had a provider count an envelope I put down. I remember one time I forgot it and realized when left. Immediately went back. The moral of the story is, there are cheats and thieves but majority are honest and trust worth. Otherwise the world will screech to a halt.

Indeed some steal paper but most don’t. The loss from theft is insignificant otherwise there won’t be any paper machines around. .

Still...not in front of him. Hell, many guys just toss the bills right there so you don't even have to count..you can see it's accurate.

Case in point. Recently a friend needed a new battery for his car. I offerred to pick it up since I was headed to the parts store anyway. When I gave him the battery, and told him the amount, he handed me a wad of cash and I started counting it, and he gave me a disgusted look and said something like, "geez, you are actually going to count it in front of me?" Believe me, there is no GFE illusion between us! The point is that some guys just get offended easily if you count their money, like it's a trust issue. I have seen that numerous times in reimbursements, bet payoffs etc., between people. The battery issue is fresh in my mind because it just happened, but that is definitely not the only time I have witnessed something similar. (and totally outside of this "hobby")

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They're welcome to wipe their ass with it if they choose.

Those who've counted in front of me don't get called back. I've even walked out when some bitch asked me to "hold on...let me count my money first".

My typical routine is to (assuming a first time meeting) say "How you doing"?  That is typically followed by a chat session where I will drop off the money...usually on the table.  If there's a shower scene, I rarely take one by myself.  I kind of like the shower scene  

And more often than not it's not a one hour for 300+.  But I always use Benjies....just might be a little larger pile than 3 or 4 at a time.

If it's a gal I've seen before...I typically leave the money on her dresser as I'm getting dressed to leave.

I quickly got rid of the envelope crap once it was apparent that is simply stupid to use.  There's no illusion issue for me...I know why she is there!  And even if I tell her I'm Bob Saget...doesn't mean Jack Schitt!!

Whatever works for you is A-OK with me though.  Honestly I would much prefer that WE both know that I paid...hence no issues whatsoever.  Maybe I just seem like an honest johnnie boy...and honestly...I am  LOL

Having been self employed my entire life I know that whenever you allow "open account" there is a risk.  But in this instance it's only open account for an hour (or three).  Could I short the gal?  Sure...but again, I don't play that game.  And with my own practice I've never had a problem getting paid...or making sure that the client knows this isn't a pro bono service.

Posted By: perfectstorm

Doesn't exactly need to be counted! Unless you are paying with Jeffersons or Washingtons

And you are saying in your entire "professional hobbying" career, and dozens or hundreds of hookers you have seen, not a single one was ever out of your sight for a minute with a chance to count the money? Not saying I don't believe you, but it is hard to believe! In my case, many have not counted the money, but all have the opportunity either while she is in the bathroom or while I am in the bathroom. I just assume, that is their chance to count it and whether they do or not is up to them.

Very little offends me.  Especially when it comes to money (or pussy).

Ironically in both those examples...it's only business.  And since I've been self-employed my entire adult life...nothing like that is offensive to me..ever!

So if some asswipe wanted to short ME...that's why I have friends who love litigating.  Fortunately I've rarely had to go that route to collect what was owed me.  Must be my great personality  LOL

I believe it depends on the gentlemen. I say this because I do have a certain way I do it to try to uphold the GFE illusion. But if I find your not giving me the signals that you are expecting that illusion I do it differently. No matter what tho it gets accepted prior to play to keep my mind at ease except for the 1% off clients I know so well they'd never think to short me. Which is a hand full out of the 3 years I've been doing this. I have never had anyone get away with shorting me, they have attempted tho. Back to what I was saying before with signals and expectations. If a client has it in a envelope and places it down we will chit chat for awhile and then I will ask for him to go freshen up for me since I'm already fresh from getting ready. I have no reason to go to the bathroom again that'd be an excuse to count.. While he's away I count then place back where he left it to keep that GFE illusion that it hasn't been touched. That's one scenario. If a client goes to the bathroom immediately after entry and then comes into my room and doesn't place anything down. I've assumed it's been left in the bathroom. I'll chit chat then excuse myself to the restroom. Now if its not there I will then simply ask for him to put it out and excuse my self to do it then out of his eyes. Second scenario he places it out with no envelope I can usually tell if he uses big faces if its right or not. If its small faces ill chit chat then ask him to freshen up and when he comes back I will have placed it some where else. I recognize he is not trying to hide the gift to keep this illusion and even possibly wants me to count it without asking me directly so we both have in our minds that business is good and clear for play. Last scenario I've had is a gentlemen pulls the gift out of his area of keepings and puts it down or even hands it directly to me. Then asks me to count it to make sure it's right. I'll turn my back to him count it and satisfy his immediate want and ok to let him know he's correct. But I rarely get this. I feel that everyone is different and there are ways to adjust yourself to match the person. It's simple customer service you check yourself you check your customer and you match to their needs presented from their signals an actions. In the end everyone's happy and they'll most likely be back.

It's a shame the "games" that have to be played to keep up the "GFE" illusion.
In the old days (before GFE) you just handed the wad over, she counted it, put it away, and then did the dirty deed.

I always drop the donation right away after the greeting and hit the shower on an incall (or put the donation in the bathroom for outcall) for this very reason. Whether its GFE or PSE I'm looking for, having a provider know the money is right and out of the way and each of us is comfortable is the best way to start. If she has to ask about the donation or wonder if it's the correct amount then she's thinking about something that I don't want her to be thinking about. We are only going to be together for a short time, I'd rather she's focused on our short time together.

I wouldn't label it a game. I'd say it is customer service their is a business aspect to this industry it's just improved over time. An in regards to the old days their probably wasn't anyone walking the track offering GFE but their diffidently was mistresses who were. They got compete more then a "wad". Is this really going to be the question of what came first the chicken or the egg? Lol

For the reference, check out Holly's website! Pretty cool!

Had a different agenda.  And since my client had NO fucking balls...he let his moronic wife direct him in doing the wrong thing.

Needless to say it cost the moron nearly double what my outstanding fees were.

Litigation is the LAST thing a business owner wants to do.  It's generally a loser...except that the attorney's always make out.

And the wife wasn't even a hottie  

I tried every "trick in the book" to avoid suing...but no go.  And since the amounts owed were quite substantial I had NO real options.  As the judge read the verdict he said "So Mr. Asswipe...you owe CPA XXX and make sure you don't screw your attorney's out of their fees as well.  By the way...did you at least thank CPA for bailing you out of the $ 1M IRS tax bill?".   True story...I bailed the asswipe out of having to pay Uncle nearly a million.  And that's my thanks...a fucking  LOL

Oh well...I did get paid.  But still had to share nearly a third with my legal team.  Fucking whores  LOL

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Wow your right , I know when I'm ready for a session I hate to break momentum .lol But now that you have brought it to my attention I am going to count first . all the guys can thank you for that, if there good guys they will be nice about it right? xoxoxox and I kindly do thank for caring .
HOPE THIS CAME OUT RIGHT"
FROM JENNIFER JONES

No reason for a lady to worry about being shorted if the guy has been screened properly.

Sadly, that's not the case. Every time I was shorted was by a guy who had refs or provided additional info. Guys with over 20 reviews have done this, because being "a pro hobbyist" does not always make one honest. FYI, the CL Killer also had refs.

Does that imply you have been shorted more than once?
If so, I'm sorry to hear that.

How did you handle it? Did you bring it up to the guy?
And by shorted, was it by an few Benjamins or was it an empty envelope?

Yea, blacklisted one and told the other two I would give them 48 hours to make it good, or would be making a few calls. Neither seemed too worried, but now they are in google. At times, it can be unintentional like when a lady is running a special, but if that's the case...why not return my calls or emails after?

....and doesn't matter if it is my first time meeting him or the 100th.

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I have had the same thing happen to me.  But in real life and in the hobby, I believe it doesn't really have anything to do with whether you trust someone or not.  It is about being straight up and not risking misunderstandings.  I don't want my buddy or a provider coming back later an saying the amount wasn't right.  That causes even harder feelings, and sometimes insurmountable issues even if it wasn't intentional.

Are you saying that even after X amount of repeats, you'll still count the donation in front of the guy?
Just wondering.

The principle is the same, but if a lady is getting shorted, I'm sure she'd prefer to get shorted on a one hour appointment as opposed to an overnighter.

oh hell... when I see my Doctor, Lawyer, Accountant, Financial Advisor, Mechanic, or Dentist I just tell their receptionist to send the bill to my wife as i'm heading out the door... she'll cut 'em a check in the near future..

Hookers are always comparing themselves to other service providers so I don't know why that wouldn't work here too...

But she always counts it before the fun starts.

Being shorted 100 bucks out of 3000 I would think is a lot better than being shorted 100 bucks out of 300!

Too many posts to catch up on the discussion, I came in late.

an empty envelope or washingtons instead of benjamins.

Agree with LR here. Being shorted has NOTHING to do with how a lady screens... or lack there of. I have not been shorted too many times, but the times it has happened, has been with gents who I've seen on prior occasions(usually just miscounted the donation) or gents who are verified via the verification sites or by other well-reviewed ladies.

Sometimes it's just an honest miscount & the gent quickly pays the difference in their mistake, but other times, its a blatant attempt to try & rip a lady off. It has to do with ladies "trusting" that people in general are good at heart, & will pay for the service they are receiving, & they take advantage of that unfortunately.

Posted By: London Rayne

Sadly, that's not the case. Every time I was shorted was by a guy who had refs or provided additional info. Guys with over 20 reviews have done this, because being "a pro hobbyist" does not always make one honest. FYI, the CL Killer also had refs.

Posted By: Businesses

No reason for a lady to worry about being shorted if the guy has been screened properly.

How did u manage to work in "fkin whores" to that story? Lol. dude, you are going to burn in hooker hell!!!! Lol

I'll check with saturnsky if she ever shows up again...must be busy with the Lakers fans  

Care to run against me?  Great benefits...but the work is never done.  There's always another faux hooker ready to jump on the band wagon!

Why are YOU ranting about how providers run their business? It's none of our business when they check the envelope. Apparently we've run out of topics to discuss so now we're gonna tell providers when they should count their cash. It's a good thing we're such a smart bunch of johnnie boys or providers everywhere would be getting ripped off without our essential words of wisdom. Ladies, what would you do without us? I shutter at the thought.

Back to watching TV.

And she's just the welcoming committee  

No fucking Professional Hobbyists in PHA local 725 would ever do that shit.

WE take our "business" very seriously  LOL

Shorting a hooker are grounds for immediate expulsion...with NO refund.  And dues are always paid in full...and I count it on the spot  

And we send him to see the faux hookers (as in pathetic brown envelopes) to fuck with them...that's because they're really "clients"  LOL

Posted By: London Rayne

Sadly, that's not the case. Every time I was shorted was by a guy who had refs or provided additional info. Guys with over 20 reviews have done this, because being "a pro hobbyist" does not always make one honest. FYI, the CL Killer also had refs.

Posted By: Businesses

No reason for a lady to worry about being shorted if the guy has been screened properly.

All of the licensed professionals that you have alluded to have legal recourse against some deadbeat asswipe.

Hookers run an illegal business...with no binding contractual obligations. The best they have is a blacklist or DNS list.  And that means very little to most guys.

Not a whole lot different than buying your hot dog at the kiosk and walking away and NOT paying.  Not much the clerk is going to do other than chase your ass down and beat the shit out of you...if he can catch you.

FWIW if you were a first time tax client with me...you're not getting your return till you pay me in full.  Now, if your wife is a hottie...that might make a difference.  You...not so much!  Oh, and I'll be happy to count it out in front of you...no misunderstandings that way  LOL

On first meetings I'm careful to give her the opportunity to verify the donation.  Yes, GFE IS a pleasant illusion.  On subsequent meetings, the donation regime is often more relaxed.  I don't blame a Gal one bit for verifying the first donation...  experience speaks louder than any other consideration.  It's HER show & SHE can decide how to handle it.

As long as you provided her with the proper amount, who gives a shit if that's how she does it?

For example, if a client was verified via employment, the lady now knows where he works and his name.

The client is less likely to short the lady, give an empty envelope, give counterfeit bills, and other issues related to the donation since he has more to lose (his career, reputation, family, etc)

The deeper the screening, the less likely (notice I said less likely and not 100%) problems will occur.

Honest mistakes do happen, but I was referring to intentional shortages or empty envelopes.

Great contribution outta you tonite. Tell us all how the Wheel of Fortune turns out.

You got my vote in the last three elections! I'll vote for you again.

"Wow, she never even touched the envelope the whole time. She's a real GFE and gem!"

It's sad but some ladies see those words in reviews and get nervous about picking up the donation to check it after it's laid down. They wait til you leave.

I don't condone the practice of waiting to check the money, just letting you know why some girls do it that way.

Insanity.

God forbid someone does something nice for you, because you will question why he/she did it.

Thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard. I dont need the "favor" thank you very much. I have NO problem with her counting the money before we get busy if that puts her mind at ease. YOU would run a business like this? YOU would let your customer walk out the door in a cash based biz and HOPE they didnt stiff you? No fkin way. Wise up. There isnt a chance in the world you would do that. And they arent doing it to do a favor either. As you heard from them tonite they are scared some jackwipe is going to gig them on a review.

How exactly does this adversely affect me in any way?

Your point, if there is one, makes no fucking sense.

Because you counted money in front of him.

Chances are good that a shitty review was given for a reason other than how the money was counted.

Believe whatever you want, though...

beforehand but are scared of the bad review. It puts her at ease if she knows she isnt getting stiffed, especially on a large nut. And I noticed you didnt answer the issue of what YOU would do if YOU ran a cash business. Nice dodge bro!

You went on some rant about how girls are stupid about not counting the money upfront.  Okay, I agree.  But honestly, why do you give a fuck?  I don't give a fuck because how they run their business has ZERO to do with me.  You don't understand that I don't give a shit whether they count it upfront or after or never at all.  That's the girl's business.

One provider claimed that she would get a bad review because some guy saw her count the money upfront.  ONE FUCKING PROVIDER.  You are insane if you think that's what every provider thinks.

I don't run a cash business, and what I do has nothing to do with how she runs her business.

This is the sound of me not giving a shit about how she runs her business, douchebag.

Stop taking yourself SO seriously. You have anger management issues bro. For someone that "doesnt give a shit" you are awfully passionate about this. Go over to the "what kind of refreshments to have" thread if you dont like this one or the "why is was so much better a year ago" thread. And jackass, If you dont care if the girl counts her money upfront, listen up bung hole, YOU AGREE WITH ME!!!!!!!!!

Your whole premise is that you give a shit.  I don't.  So how can I agree with you?

I am dealing with a total fucking moron here (you, in case that didn't go over directly).

And where did I say I gave a shit you stupid, stupid man??? Are you familiar with the concept of posting things that might be interesting or curious to people? Do you see the length of the thread you dimwit? It involved a lot of opinion, thought, brought out a lot of ladies, people had fun with it. Familiar with the word "fun" chief, or does that no longer exist in your bitter world? I know you have to be the "why do YOU give a shit" guy. Any third grader can do that. That takes zero ingenuity, zero intelligence. Oh...and you better hurry to bed. It's a school night! BA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

As a guy who WRITES reviews, I can tell you that it isn't because you didn't count the money til after.  It's because you actually were good in bed and made it feel like it was worth my money.  Simple as that.

You are reading WAY too much into the money-counting thing.

Same as the douchetard who started this thread.

It doesn't fit into the GF theme?  LOL But dropping an envelope ($$$$) on the night stand does?

It's Strictly Business Buddy

and my mechanic is not a licenced professional... but he is probably more honest than the professionals that are licensed to steal by so called professional societies...

and just for the record, you are not on my top ten list of accountants to hire.. especially not with something as mundane as a tax return... the best part of my job was firing auditing firms and their gaggle of "professionals"... I really loathed hiring them, but dearly loved firing them..

you wouldn't by chance be an Arthur Anderson escapee would you ?

two years. Really, that's not my business model, so I don't read too much into reviews.

I was explaining what some ladies pay attention to. When I was a newbie years ago, I did as well, so I'm certain some ladies focus on that now as well when guys post "she didn't check the envelope; she's a GFE etc. etc.". But don't get confused, my post has nothing to do with me. I don't even use reviews as my biz model. Quite the opposite............

A shitty review occurs when the woman is not as she advertises, be that looks, service, or both.

You need to read more reviews.  I've seen numerous reviews where it was mentioned that "she asked for the donation" or "she counted it in front of me".  Generally they are accompanied with a statement to the effect that it wasn't really a GF Experience.  Sometimes the expectation of the fantasy gets fractured when reality intrudes.  You might be correct that the money counting is just the easiest thing to blame for a less than stellar meeting, but if a guy doesn't want to give the real reason then he shouldn't review.

I got no problem and really would actually prefer that the donation be verified before anything starts.  I'd hate to make a counting mistake and short someone.

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Well then...I will have to hire YOU to kick their asses!!!!

I had work info on two of the guys who shorted me...I still don't have the money back, and they are still employed, I guess lol. The other guy had over 10 refs, so maybe he did it on purpose? Just like "well reviewed providers" go bad, so do established hobbyists. Still, not a big deal. I don't depend on mortals for my income...won't elaborate on that one lol.

in front of me," or "She went to the bathroom to change, and probably counted the money," etc. Many guys are very offended if a provider does this, so I don't much bother with it. If you short me today, expect it to bite you in the ass tomorrow. That's theft in my book and you never know what a provider will do, or worse...WHO she knows.

And there was no mention of anything other than her counting the money upfront.  

It is purely insane to suggest that the money-counting issue plays any material role in a shitty review.  

In other words, if a provider counts the money after or not at all, it won't offset shitty service or an ugly appearance.

why? You deff know what her rate is before you get there. Most people have a hard time asking for more $$$. it makes them uncomfortable. If your such a cheep bastard that you feel the need to cheat your provider out of a few $$$ you should have your ass kicked. fissure Rct

with her counting the money before services are rendered. But, I agree with the OP, discreetly pick up the envelope and go to the bathroom.
I will say, that I would be turned off if I was a repeat customer and she counted the money before, and that it would probably make me re-think seeing her again.

You just proved YOUR own point.

Sarcasm...leave it to US professionals  LOL

I don't know if that is why the review scores were low, but I've seen guys mention counting the money in a bad way, like "OMG, who does she think she is, that I would rip her off." Not all guys are like you crazyshit..they get offended if you don't let them stay extra time, so doing your job is never good enough. I've never had a review say that, but I've also never counted the money. You will notice in a few reviews, the guys say, "I dropped the envelope, and she did not even glance at it" thus making it sound like it's a good thing that I did not.

Yes, it is insane a guy would give a lower score just for that, but so are guys who write bad reviews of providers they've never even seen. Don't underestimate an asshole who gets his feelings hurt on a fk board, and uses the system to get his revenge.

after the session, but first I need to screen you and you need to be sure you can afford my rates..

I thought the "C" in CPA stood for Certified... now you've disabused me of the notion... it actually stands for Certifiable...

Keep babbling Mr. President

Cleaning
Pressing
Alterations

And at our next meeting you will have to sit in the corner with the "dumb fuck" hat on  LOL

Arthur Andersen (I don't think they're around anymore...check your rolodex...I assume that you still use one) called and said thanks for firing us...but the checks cleared first  

Oh, and say hi to Jeff Skilling for me!  Now he could actually fire an audit firm...you..not so much!

so we dont have to go asking for it, doing hand to hand transactions, or counting it in front of them. I stopped getting annoyed that like no one reads the web sites and your gonna end up havn to ask them for it 80 percent the time any how. It is cooler to not have to remind them they r paying or that its pay for play, it is smoother to not have to bring up money n just go in rest room n count there n never have to discuss money. I think it makes the date go smoother, but good luck tryin to make up rules for people to follow in a underground ilegal situation of ay kind, none the guys read the sites, and none wanna do what we ask. maybe one a month will place donatuon in bathroom, i end uo askn for donation and excusin myself to bathroom with it any way, oh well we can keep tryin to make escorting go all ocd like we want it too. but it s never gonna happen,

Who is more likely to have earned your trust, so that you don't bother checking the donation...a newbie, or a regular? All cases in which I have been shorted, were by guys who saw me before, and thought they could get away with it. I guess they did, because I've never gotten the money they shorted me, nor have I seen them again, yet they are still hobbying. Some guys will do on purpose to see a girl a few times, then rip her off when money is tight. They just move on to the next provider, see her twice, and jack her the 3rd time...process repeats.

Sure, you can blacklist them and make threats to call their job, but I could not see calling a guy's office because of shorting me. I would beat his ass, but not ruin his career over money. Raping me or abusing me...yes, and the cops would be called as well. That is why so many keep doing it, because they know providers are not all going to up and out them. The dangers of outing a guy at work, can lead to physical harm if he knows where to find her, so many just eat the loss.

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I have the very same thing Angel. Some go straight to the bathroom when they arrive and leave it, and others don't seem to even let me know where it is, but it's usually on the night table before our clothes come off. I hate asking for money, and won't do it. I just act like I am getting annoyed, and they get the hint lol.

You'll note that he mentions "THE MONEY" in the juicy details.  From there it's all downhill.  I will admit that I probably wouldn't be able to find a bad review that mentioned only her checking the money.  I challenge you to find a poor review where the guy comments that she didn't check the donation.

This isn't the only review like this.  Always when "THE MONEY" is mentioned there are numerous other problems......  So why bother mentioning the money unless thats the trigger that starts the whole bad experience????     When a guy is pissed off right off the bat (not being trusted) then he'll nitpick until he can justify leaving a poor review even if the session should have been a 6 or 7.

Just my $.02.  Ain't worth nothing to nobody but me.

P.S.  You'll note her other reviews are quite decent..

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But as a general rule, bad reviews are a result of something more than the girl counting money in front of him at the beginning of the session.

Honestly, I just have a hard time believing that some provider is gonna blame her shitty review on the fact that she counted money in front of him instead of the fact that her pics were old, or that she was terrible in performance.

1.  Doesn't look anything like her photos.

2.  Profile is totally different than the real person.

3.  Photos in BP looked sexy.

4.  She appeared tall and exotic in pics, but was a "vision of pain and indifference."

5.  The low-end motel.

6.  Her rules (no kissing, no touching, no kissing her intimate parts, no DATY, no GFE).

7.  Unattractive face

8.  Rushed and businesslike.

9.  She used only her hand.

10.  Time was up after 10 minutes.

And you focused on the fact that she counted money?

Are you blind?

the other reviews and saw how they differed from this experience.  

So, now you can say.  Yes, but they only have 1 review each compared to the history of this reviewer.

And I can say.  I know this reviewer's history having seen some of the same escorts that he has.  I chose to put more faith in the others.  I think her counting the donation pissed him off and he chose to take it out on her with this review.

So do we agree we disagree?

I always count it at the beginning and in front of the client as well.  That way you both know that if you've been accidently short changed they know they've made a mistake.  Even if you count it at the beginning, but not in front of them, there are some guys who intentially give you less in the hope that you'll count it when they're in the shower and that claim you must have removed x amount so you could get more money out of them.  This has happened to some girls.  Always best to be up front at the beginning, that way theres no confusion.

I pointed out TEN other negatives the guy pointed out.  So I think it's pretty clear that he had many issues, and I would argue the money-counting one was immaterial, at best.

Icing on the cake, but hardly the cake.

If I can't afford it I don't have a date.

It's not because of the threats to call my work, or blacklist, other threats that may come my way.

I just simply wouldn't do that to any of these ladies and whoever would well karma has a way if catching up with you.

I also have no problem with putting it up right away, there is no need to feel like I'm in that much control.

MM

YES IT ALSO CONFRIMS YOUR SOLICITING SEX N IT ISNT GOOD TO LIKE ASK BEFORE FOR OUR OWN SAFETY FOR LEGAL REASONS,
in event it wqs a dt that passed screening or wanted to build a case on you, i heard of them doin that to drug dealers but not escorts, like they record u or get u to make the transaction like twenty times they charge u wuth it twenty times n dont even tell u they r a dt til after they got u doin it 10 times which be enought to charge u with that ten times, seems u never hear them doin that to escorts but i mean maybe it does,