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jeandeaux 1494 reads
posted
1 / 33
Dear Abby

During a FBSM, I inquired about extras. The provider said "full service is $400" and she told me I could pay her at the end of the session. I agreed and we had at it.  

Before leaving, I put 2 Benjamins on the dresser, having already paid $200 when I first arrived. She counted it and told me I was $200 short. I said that wasn't the deal.  

Long story short, she agreed to accept what I had paid. The disagreement, however, cast a pall over what had otherwise been an enjoyable experience.

I believe I was in the right, but I am not 100% sure and would like to know whether or not others see it the same way as I do.

octavia.lexa See my TER Reviews 603 reads
posted
2 / 33
sounds right

she sounds like a rip off

i might take head for this one, but whatever

BigPeterJohnson 38 Reviews 500 reads
posted
3 / 33
it was on you to make sure there was a meeting of the minds

if you paid 2 bills up front, and in the middle of the session asked how much for a b c x y z more, and she said 4 bills,
it was up to you to ask "do you mean 2 more bills on top of what i just paid, or 4 more bills on top of what i just paid?"

wake up and smell the coffee! (sorry just channeling dear abby there)

jeandeaux 453 reads
posted
4 / 33
Re: it was on you to make sure there was a meeting of the minds

I don't mean to be argumentative, but why is it on me?  

Posted By: BigPeterJohnson
if you paid 2 bills up front, and in the middle of the session asked how much for a b c x y z more, and she said 4 bills,  
 it was up to you to ask "do you mean 2 more bills on top of what i just paid, or 4 more bills on top of what i just paid?"  
   
 wake up and smell the coffee! (sorry just channeling dear abby there)

Timbow 264 reads
posted
5 / 33
I would have laughed and said paid you $ 400 total and kept walking. E


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GaGambler 448 reads
posted
6 / 33
Because BPJ is acting like a BSU

If I had paid $200 and was upsold for an additional $400 I would have laughed in her face. It sounds like she took a shot at getting $600 from you, but thought better of it and settled for a very fair $400. I wouldn't lose a minute of sleep over it, nor would I ever even consider booking her again.

Durhamdrew 19 Reviews 304 reads
posted
7 / 33
GPS at it's best, or worse ...

LOL $600 for full service? OK if it was Vegas maybe ... BTW if you don't review that you don't have a hair on your ass.

Posted By: jeandeaux
During a FBSM, I inquired about extras. The provider said "full service is $400" and she told me I could pay her at the end of the session. I agreed and we had at it.  
   
 Before leaving, I put 2 Benjamins on the dresser, having already paid $200 when I first arrived. She counted it and told me I was $200 short. I said that wasn't the deal.  
   
 Long story short, she agreed to accept what I had paid. The disagreement, however, cast a pall over what had otherwise been an enjoyable experience.  
   
 I believe I was in the right, but I am not 100% sure and would like to know whether or not others see it the same way as I do.

JackDunphy 310 reads
posted
8 / 33
It's HIS fault that SHE upcharged HIM?

What has happened to you lately? You are WAY off your game.

613spades 5 Reviews 252 reads
posted
9 / 33
Some of it depends on how long you were there

If you had nearly an hr massage and than upgraded and that was another full hr I could see it. Ultimately if she didn't clarify or get the extra upfront it's hard not to place some of the blame on her.  
       Either way it would sour the experience for both of you.

Posted By: jeandeaux
During a FBSM, I inquired about extras. The provider said "full service is $400" and she told me I could pay her at the end of the session. I agreed and we had at it.  
   
 Before leaving, I put 2 Benjamins on the dresser, having already paid $200 when I first arrived. She counted it and told me I was $200 short. I said that wasn't the deal.  
   
 Long story short, she agreed to accept what I had paid. The disagreement, however, cast a pall over what had otherwise been an enjoyable experience.  
   
 I believe I was in the right, but I am not 100% sure and would like to know whether or not others see it the same way as I do.

nothrofboston 24 Reviews 296 reads
posted
10 / 33
I find it hard to believe ....

you didn't ask one simple question ... Is that 400 total or extra ...

I think you knew but are acting inmocent. I can be wrong, but
I don't think so ... bet that never happens again.  

Go directly to jail, do not pass go .... btw, I wouldn't have paid 600, but would have left after the massage.  

$600 is 90 minutes with an amazingly skilled courtesan, not just a hot masseuse ... at least that my experience here in the Bean.

sasha2cute See my TER Reviews 333 reads
posted
11 / 33
BPJ makes a good point JD

The moment he left that door open by just paying half the tribute and not explaining what he wanted. He left it to her discretion to charge him whatever she deemed appropriate based on what they did. I'm not saying she didn't upcharge him which I hate myself, but this is partially on him.  

I once had a double with another provider and witnessed the upselling first hand. Omg what a boner killer that was. And I mean that literally 😜

MatureGFE See my TER Reviews 295 reads
posted
12 / 33
When she said $400 for full service to me that means $400 total...

which he paid her.

Steph

MatureGFE See my TER Reviews 181 reads
posted
13 / 33
+1! eom


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VOO-doo 291 reads
posted
14 / 33
I think he's based in NYC...

$600/hr is pretty average for a NYC escort. I'd consider it upper-to-mid- range. Upscale... quality... but not extremely high-end.  

$200 is pretty cheap, even for a massage. For that price, I'd personally assume that there would be an upcharge (unless there was some drawback in her attractiveness or level of service). Even for a BP bodyrub provider.

Plus, I feel like massage providers generally charge more for full service. Maybe because it's out of their normal range of activities, and considered a special request...  

If the massage provider is decent-looking and provides good service, $400/full service is TGTBT in NYC. IMO.

rollaxroll 182 reads
posted
15 / 33
I believe you were right.

If she said "full service is $400" , my understanding is  $400 in total.  If she wants $600 in total, she should say $400 extra instead of full service is $400.  I totally disagree with BigPeterJohnson.  I agree with GoGambler and would never consider booking her again.

Fancy8888 See my TER Reviews 172 reads
posted
16 / 33
Bad business unprofessional.

Posted By: jeandeaux
During a FBSM, I inquired about extras. The provider said "full service is $400" and she told me I could pay her at the end of the session. I agreed and we had at it.  
   
 Before leaving, I put 2 Benjamins on the dresser, having already paid $200 when I first arrived. She counted it and told me I was $200 short. I said that wasn't the deal.  
   
 Long story short, she agreed to accept what I had paid. The disagreement, however, cast a pall over what had otherwise been an enjoyable experience.  
   
 I believe I was in the right, but I am not 100% sure and would like to know whether or not others see it the same way as I do.

mrfisher 115 Reviews 266 reads
posted
17 / 33
My understanding of the protocol is...

that when you ask about extras during what was planned only to be a rub and tug, the price quoted is extra, not the total including what you already paid.

That said, her charge is on the high side unless this was Vegas or NYC.  My guess is that she threw out $400 thinking the OP would come back with $200 and they'd settle on $300.  She probably caved at the end because first, she probably felt like an idiot not clarifying beforehand; second, she would have probably been OK with the $200 if he stuck to his guns; and third, she lost all bargaining power at that point since she didn't get the money up front (Which is always how I've had to play the game.) and didn't want to alienate him lest she lose future business.  She might also just be averse to confrontation.

In other words, there's plenty of blame to go around here.

Next case

USGrantlover 225 Reviews 227 reads
posted
18 / 33
Seriously?

YOU calling out a guy for a missing review?

Posted By: DURHAMDREW63
 
 LOL $600 for full service? OK if it was Vegas maybe ... BTW if you don't review that you don't have a hair on your ass.  
   
Posted By: jeandeaux
During a FBSM, I inquired about extras. The provider said "full service is $400" and she told me I could pay her at the end of the session. I agreed and we had at it.    
     
  Before leaving, I put 2 Benjamins on the dresser, having already paid $200 when I first arrived. She counted it and told me I was $200 short. I said that wasn't the deal.    
     
  Long story short, she agreed to accept what I had paid. The disagreement, however, cast a pall over what had otherwise been an enjoyable experience.  
     
  I believe I was in the right, but I am not 100% sure and would like to know whether or not others see it the same way as I do.

SCBodyRub 13 Reviews 180 reads
posted
19 / 33
she didn't say $400 EXTRA... -e-


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harborview 10 Reviews 196 reads
posted
20 / 33
I think she tried to take you

a second time.  I don't believe it was an accidental misunderstanding.  I think she was intentionally vague.  Nice try, lady!

jeandeaux 208 reads
posted
21 / 33
Thank you all

I appreciate all of the feedback.  To clarify a few points raised in the comments:

1) I am in NYC.  
2) The session lasted only one hour.
3) I did not seek clarification because, in my mind, there was no question about the amount of the charge.  
4) Although she folded pretty quickly, I do not believe this is proof she was trying to rip me off.  
5) From now on, I will distinguish between "extra" and "total."

JackDunphy 212 reads
posted
22 / 33
I would disagree with your TGTBT comment.

While there are not a plethora of girls in the $400 range in NYC, there are quite a few that have excellent reps/reviews at that price point.

Its not a TGTBT situation at all Voo Doo

BigPeterJohnson 38 Reviews 170 reads
posted
23 / 33
exactly

i'm not saying she didn't up charge him either.  i'm not saying she wasn't completely a greedy sneaky ### for upcharging.

i'm saying the op left the door wide open for the upcharge by not establishing at the time of discussion exactly how much and for what, esp. in light of having paid money already.

how hard would it have been to say "you mean $400 altogether, so i paid you $200 already so another $200, right?"

he didn't, she up charged him, it's on him.

tho again, no harm no foul, he didn't pay the extra, so no big deal, except it pissed him off enough to write a post about it.

YoMaMaDo 241 reads
posted
24 / 33
Re: sounds right

I would always take "head" from you my Dear.

VOO-doo 161 reads
posted
25 / 33
I tend to agree, upon re-reading my post.

There are some quality providers for $400. Less than there used to be, but they're definitely out there.  

I worked for $350-400 when I was with an agency. So I agree that quality can be found at that price point. (However, that was back in 2008-2009 when the average going rate was quite a bit lower due to economic circumstances)

This girl was a massage provider whose full-service rates were unknown. In my experience, attractive, quality massage providers usually won't do full service for a measly $200 extra, especially if they're charging a low-ish entry rate. It's usually a pretty steep upcharge. Maybe there are exceptions out there, and maybe you know of some. To me, that would seem off.... unless, the girl is just not able to price herself higher for some reason. Or, is inexperienced or desperate... We don't have enough info to deduce whether that is the case or not.



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GaGambler 170 reads
posted
26 / 33
Sasha, I think you need to reread the OP, he did not pay "half" the donation

He paid the "complete" donation for a FBSM session. The "upsell" seems to have mutual, call it a "paid upgrade" rather than an upsell. I don't see any thieves or scammers in this situation, I see an honest miscommunication, her not pushing the issue speaks volumes in that regards. Can you blame a guy for assuming FS would be twice her FBSM rate? It seems like a pretty easy assumption to make.

Tobi Telford See my TER Reviews 215 reads
posted
27 / 33
Meh, it sounds like a pretty simple miscommunication.

I can see how she would have thought that she was clear in saying that it was $400 for that particular service (aside from the original fee), but I can also see how you could have easily thought that she meant $400 for a FS date. No one is really at fault here. I doubt she was trying to scam you and I doubt you were playing dumb. Just a mixup. It happens.

Skyfyre 195 reads
posted
28 / 33
Wrong

Nope you're in the WRONG here. If she had wanted $600 for the whole shebang she should have answered the OP's inquiry with "FS is $400 MORE".

The word MORE makes all the difference.

I agree with GA that she might have gambled hoping the OP would be naive/timid enough to pay her $400 more.  Most anybody would agree that $600 is totally outrageous

scb19 10 Reviews 170 reads
posted
29 / 33
I've never seen

a half-now, half when the job is done arrangement.  
I am clueless

Posted By: jeandeaux
During a FBSM, I inquired about extras. The provider said "full service is $400" and she told me I could pay her at the end of the session. I agreed and we had at it.  
   
 Before leaving, I put 2 Benjamins on the dresser, having already paid $200 when I first arrived. She counted it and told me I was $200 short. I said that wasn't the deal.  
   
 Long story short, she agreed to accept what I had paid. The disagreement, however, cast a pall over what had otherwise been an enjoyable experience.  
   
 I believe I was in the right, but I am not 100% sure and would like to know whether or not others see it the same way as I do.

Durhamdrew 19 Reviews 142 reads
posted
30 / 33
Re: I think she tried to take you

Yup+1

Posted By: harborview
a second time.  I don't believe it was an accidental misunderstanding.  I think she was intentionally vague.  Nice try, lady!

Durhamdrew 19 Reviews 175 reads
posted
31 / 33
Re: I've never seen

I've only had this happen once and she was pretty specific that it was $300 "more". I said no thank you   Ah those BP days. They really sucked.  

Posted By: scb19
a half-now, half when the job is done arrangement.    
 I am clueless  
   
Posted By: jeandeaux
During a FBSM, I inquired about extras. The provider said "full service is $400" and she told me I could pay her at the end of the session. I agreed and we had at it.    
     
  Before leaving, I put 2 Benjamins on the dresser, having already paid $200 when I first arrived. She counted it and told me I was $200 short. I said that wasn't the deal.    
     
  Long story short, she agreed to accept what I had paid. The disagreement, however, cast a pall over what had otherwise been an enjoyable experience.  
     
  I believe I was in the right, but I am not 100% sure and would like to know whether or not others see it the same way as I do.

KristaC34 See my TER Reviews 165 reads
posted
32 / 33
+1 [eom]


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MatureGFE See my TER Reviews 144 reads
posted
33 / 33
Yes where is that hair on his ass?

Hmmmm....

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