Looks like it is time to be very careful. Take a look at the chart in the New York times article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/06/health/hpv-virus-survey-united-states.html

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/04/07/half-us-adults-genital-hpv/100162078/

and 1 out of 5 have the hpv cancer type. Could this end bbbj and unprotected daty in the hobby ?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/04/06/more-than-1-in-5-u-s-adults-were-infected-by-a-type-of-high-risk-hpv-cdc-report-shows/?utm_term=.dae0668036aa

And this isn't new. It's been a problem for years.

http://www.ashasexualhealth.org/stdsstis/hpv/what-men-should-know/

I remember there was a provider in Chicago area that would use a flash light to inspect guys for genital warts.

It's caused by skin to skin contact. Condoms offer no real protection. If you have had sex with four or more people in your lifetime you almost certainly have some of the strains. There are vaccines for the ones that supposedly cause cervical cancer. In most cases the other strains are asymptomatic.  

What's your point? Should we stop having sex at all?

So answer the question are you less likely to get a bbbj or do non convered daty knowing the HPV stats ?

Since condoms offer no real protection and since it's not serious enough to worry about I will continue to get BBBJ and Daty.

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Chicken Little having the vapors about something.

I was lucky to have good doctors when I was in my late teens and got the whole set of vaccinations done before I became sexually active.

I'm sure almost everyone who's sexually active with multiple partners has at least one strain, but the good news is that most of them are harmless and it's nothing to panic about.  Standard testing procedures don't even involve testing for the presence of these viral strains since they're so likely to be harmless and have no side effects.

I would recommend that everyone who qualifies for the vaccine gets it as early as they can.  Because as mentioned already on this thread, condoms do nothing to protect against HPV.  Getting vaccinated against the most harmful strains is the best idea if you don't practice (mutual) monogamy or abstinence.

Edit. You can advertise it so more people will know it's safe to daty with you.

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The take away is  HPV is largely without any symptom for the men. I get tested frequently, but I'm betting my gentlemen friends don't bother if they have no symptoms. Let's ALL get tested. Planned Parenthood has a "peace of mind" testing for very little charge and I believe you don't have to give your social security number.

Just because it's not new doesn't make it any less serious. The incidence of throat cancer in men caused by HPV has risen dramatically in the past 20 years. There is no approved test or vaccine for this strain of HPV in men, there are no symptoms until cancer develops.  I am an HPV positive throat cancer survivor. Fortunately I'm now cancer free but the treatment I went through was a nightmare. Perhaps if you had to endure it you wouldn't take the subject so lightly.

I expressed concern over this issue and my health care provider suggested that next time I come in, ask for the vaginal hpv swab test, but swab my throat instead of my kitty.

The OP is known as Chicken Little because he consistently brings scare stories to this board and, quite frankly, is considered more than a little weird by most of us.  One poster also believes he works with LE.  I can't prove that one way or the other. But it should explain why I treat him the way I do.  And it has nothing to do with the gravity of HPV, which most of us have anyway. Bottom line: wrps is the worst person anyone could choose to bring this sort of message to the board.

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The HPV vaccine has been proven to cause the very cancer it is supposed to "prevent". One young lady, who after having her cervix and tonsils removed, sent them to three independent labs to be tested. Guess what? Her tonsils tested positive for two of that HPV vaccine strains. She was diagnosed with stage three cervical cancer 6 months after receiving only one shot. Her pap smear taken three months before the shot was perfectly clear. She had 4 recurrences of cancer in one year and cured herself by stopping chemo & radiation and going completely holistic.  

I am sharing this only to shed light because "safety", "protected", "efficacy"... correlation doesn't equal causation. There is no proof she is "protected" or "safe". Because no one can say with 100% certainty that because I had XYZ shot, I did not get ABC infection. You can't prove it, it's a false sense of security at best. Even the manufacturer's insert that comes with the vaccine, states that it hasn't been tested for carcinogenic, mutagenic or impairment of fertility potential. ALL vaccine inserts say that, btw.  

When you look at the actual studies done in regards to vaccines (they aren't held to the same safety standards as other drugs), it'll be *really* eye opening as to how little was done prior to approval. Some, like one of the HPVs, tested the new one against the old one, and that was their safety test. No changes in side effects, it's safe.

When you look at the reported vaccine reactions (lots of deaths with the HPV ones too, during the clinical trials and post-marketing) and the payouts from our government for these injuries and deaths, it's the most dangerous vaccine on the market.  

No one stops to think about what injecting all these strains at once does to the body because normally, the body would never be exposed to all those strains at once. Or how injection IS different than ingestion, because you can ingest snake venom no problem but injecting it will kill you. Or how toxic the ingredients are - aluminum, mercury, polysorbate-80 (which is added so that the ingredients DO cross the blood brain barrier - aluminum into the brain: hello Alzheimers & dementia and other neurological disorders!). Vaccines have genetically modified ingredients and have tested positive for glysophate (Roundup). So the science has proven that GMOs are unhealthy for us to EAT and that Roundup causes cancer, but that's "health" and "safe" when injected into the body?!

I could go on and on and on and on. And on, and on. LOL It is INSANE, when you really dig into it. It'll blow your mind.  

When you blindly follow what someone says, so a doctor in this case, that's religion, not science. I watched a 7 episode docu-series, so about 10 hours, on vaccines, this week. Which is on top of 4.5 years of almost daily reading/studying about it. Vaccines are poison to the body, plain and simple.  

To keep it on topic.... If only people spent as much time researching what goes into their bodies as they do reading escort reviews and screening gents, we'd be a healthier society for sure.

I clicked the link you provided and maybe I missed it, but the only data I saw was in a table at the bottom of the article which the fine print says was collected by three people at "SaneVax Inc", an anti-vaxxer group - and according to their website, none of them have any medical training.

I am attaching a link to a 2014 study in the International Journal of Women's Health which addresses the safety and efficacy of the HPV vaccine and is based on multiple blinded placebo controlled studies involving between 5000 and 18000 vaccinees. None of the long term follow-ups indicate anything about the vaccine being proven to cause the very cancer it is supposed to prevent.

If there is a peer reviewed study supporting your claim though I'd be very interested to see it (and forgive me if I missed it in your link)

If someone got cancer caused by the HPV virus after being vaccinated isn't it possible that they already had HPV before getting the shot? A vaccination is a preventative measure not a cure and you need specific tests that aren't always 100% accurate to see if you have it in the first place.

My Planned Parenthood sucks. They won't do a throat swab for me. So I think I am going to find a traditional gynecologist. I hate to do that because I've been with them for years, but needs must. I think it's important for not just HPV, but gonorrhea and syphilis as well.

Yes, but it's much easier to blame the vaccines for everything because they don't understand how it works.  

 
Also, if there was any way to legally prove that what she's saying happened actually was caused by the vaccine, she wouldn't know about it, or be able to post it, because the affected persons would have won a sizeable settlement (10mil+) and would be thusly NDA'd out the ass.

From the manufacturer themselves, then yes, here you go, page 13, 13.1: https://www.fda.gov/downloads/biologicsbloodvaccines/vaccines/approvedproducts/ucm111263.pdf. Have you ever read a vaccine insert? I'm not asking in a condescending way, genuinely curious because the vast majority of people, even medical professionals, have not.  

You're right, the link didn't link to any peer reviewed research. It was more for a general overview of the other side to the HPV vaccine. However, I am very familiar with PubMed and noticed in your link:  

Under Evaluation of Long Term Protection: "In conclusion, it seems likely that neutralizing antibody levels are the optimal surrogate marker for vaccine efficacy and vaccine-induced robust immune memory. However, a correlate of protection has not yet been established, and the minimum level of antibody required is unknown."  

Under Conclusion: "However, no immune correlate of protection has been established for HPV vaccines, and it is unknown whether higher antibody levels will really result in a longer duration of protection."

Nowhere did it state what comprised the placebo, and yes, a lot do not use a saline placebo. Also, you have to understand that not all peer reviewed research is unbiased. So I would be interested to find out WHO was funding this "study". There is another group that does bonafide unbiased peer-reviewed, can't remember the name off of the top of my head but I will find out and get back with you. Have to be somewhere in an hour.  

Happy to share with you whatever information you'd like to know.

Now, this is a study from the Vaccine and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC)., on the FDA's website.  

Unfortunately, you won't find this on PubMed etc. One set of data, pages 13 & 14 states: "There were two important concerns that were identified during the course of the efficacy review of this BLA. One was the potential for Gardasil™ to enhance disease among a subgroup of subjects who had evidence of persistent infection with vaccine-relevant HPV
types at baseline (44% increased risk). The other concern was the observations of CIN 2/3 or worse cases due
to HPV types not contained in the vaccine (33% increased risk).

CIN 2/3 is "Abnormal cells are found on the surface of the cervix. CIN 2/3 is usually caused by certain types of human papillomavirus (HPV) and is found when a cervical biopsy is done. CIN 2/3 has features of CIN 2 and CIN 3. It is not cancer, but may become cancer and spread to nearby normal tissue if not treated." - from cancer.gov

The concerns were reiterated at the end of the document, stating:  

"Items for VRBPAC Discussion - The discussion and voting items for the committee will focus on whether the data submitted in the BLA support the safety and efficacy of Gardasil™ for prevention of HPV-related disease. If the data support the safety and efficacy of Gardasil™, an additional item for discussion will be the finding in the baseline PCR positive and seropositive subgroup of study 013 of an increased rate of CIN 2/3 or worse due to the relevant HPV vaccine types among Gardasil™ recipients. The review team found CIN 2/3 or worse cases among recipients of Gardasil™. Another item for discussion will be the degree to which HVP types not contained in the vaccine might offset the overall clinical effectiveness of the vaccine, or whether the findings of CIN 2/3 or worse among Gardasil™ recipients might represent the impact of prevalent HPV disease. The committee should also discuss the observation of five congenital anomalies among infants born to recipients of Gardasil™ who were vaccinated near the time of conception."

 
Also, if you are interested in unbiased peer reviewed studies, the Cochrane Collaboration is made up of unpaid, volunteer researchers with zero ties to the vaccine industry. www.cochrane.org

Aside from responding to other posts below, I won't be replying to anything else. You, or anyone else, are welcome to message me with any other questions. Busy week ahead, won't be tethered to a keyboard.  

Be Well,

Aerin

Yes, it is possible, as demonstrated in the second link I posted above. That same link also demonstrates it without any pre-existing infections.  

The things with vaccinations as whole, is that no one is tested for pre-existing infections, or of genetic mutations that may cause more problems, like MTHFR, which has to do with the body's ability to detoxify. A 9 year old girl gets the exact same dosage as a 16 year old. No adjustment is made for age, weight etc like other drugs.  

My issue with "preventative measure", is that how can anyone say with 100% certainty, that you would or would not have gotten XYZ infection if you did or did not get ABC shot? There is just NO WAY to prove it, no way to know. It's a guess, at best.

You see, there is this relatively unknown act, signed into law by President Reagan in 1986 called the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act. What this law did was ensure that vaccine manufacturers, doctors. nurses, hospitals etc have ZERO liability for vaccine injuries and deaths. They can not be sued in a US court of law. No lawsuits, no legal repercussions AT ALL. They have been sued overseas though, if you want to look into it. Merck is one who comes to mind.  

Anyway, what also came about from this law is the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. NVICP was created to provide a federal no-fault system for compensating vaccine-related injuries or death by establishing a claim procedure involving the United States Court of Federal Claims and special masters. All that info...number of claims, the kind of injuries & deaths, which vaccines caused them, how many were compensated (yes, autism is one that has received settlements) and how much, are all public record. It's just that no one has ever heard of it. They've paid out, linked below, over $3.6 billion. BILLION. Which is paid for by special taxes on each and every vaccine.  

Since you are definitely a creative thinker and seem to reply to broad range of topics here, I am curious about your take of how exactly the immune system works? Be sure to include the effects of vaccine ingredients (you do know what those are, right?) on the gut (that's a part of the immune system btw), the CNS and brain.  

I nerd out on science & data (which... wait for it... includes site analytics) and can talk for hours about this stuff. Current read: Gut And Psychology Syndrome, how the gut affects behaviors such as Autism, ADD/ADHD, Depression, Anxiety, Schizophrenia etc. Fascinating!

Drug studies are almost always funded by the manufacturer, but it's very important to understand the distinction between funding a study and conducting a study. Look at how many biotech firms have their stock prices crash because their phase II/III trials end up failing. These sorts of studies are conducted by independent researchers and physicians at big university hospitals. Just because a firm is paying for the study doesn't mean they have any control over the outcome of the results. If they did, the FDA approval rate for drugs would be way higher than it actually is (10%).

So for me it comes down to credibility. Do I trust the dozens of professionally trained physicians and researchers who conduct the studies on thousands of vaccinees, or do I trust an anecdote written on a website run by Ty Bollinger? (I'll let you Google him)

Yes, NCVIA was specifically written to avoid the public health nightmare that would be caused by vaccine manufacturers being sued or otherwise tied up in litigation indefinitely. Prior to that there were very few successful cases because of the lack of any sort of scientific evidence. The anecdotal "I got this vaccine and got sick and it's totally because of the vaccine" doesn't fly scientifically.

As for the hundreds of vaccine ingredients and how they effect the body. That's a conversation for another day. I will say that the common "scary chemicals" like Thimerosal (aka ethylmercury) or Formaldehyde or  your standard evil heavy metals (aluminum, cadmium, lead, arsenic, zinc, etc) aren't really of concern here. The saline solution that makes up 99% of the vaccine is going to kill you long before the trace elements become an issue. The quantity of formaldehyde that you obtain in a MMR series is 1/100th of what your body naturally produces and safely metabolizes in a day. Ethylmercury compounds aren't really that bio-active and again, are in such small quantities that you're not going to get sick. Your environmental exposure to all of the scary stuff in vaccines is several orders of magnitude higher than what the vaccine provides.

  This is on the same level of holistic medicine in my book. You can't take 1ug of solution, dilute it in 1000L of water and have it have any effect. Perhaps you think it does, and if that's the case, I have some snake oil to sell you. Made from real free range grass fed snakes. It'll cure your gout, eliminate joint pain, increase memory retention, and you can get a month's supply for only 9.99 when you sign up for a 24 month subscription! But you seem too smart for that trash.

I've also looked into the gut bacteria makeup causing all sorts of problem. I haven't read any solid research yet that connects things like ADD or Autism strongly to poor gut biodiversity, but I will say anecdotally that I've lost weight and seem to be more regular. Maybe a little focus increase, maybe a little less fatigue. I've been at it for a few months now, and it seems that it takes awhile to really dial it in. The whole reason I got into it at all is that a friend of mine fixed his gluten intolerance with it and is pretty close to not having trouble with milk anymore either. Truly fascinating.

I received the newest vaccine against HPV which is the 9 strain. If you have that, you pretty much don't have to worry. They say it's best to get when you're young, especially if you're not yet sexually active because that's when it's most effective. But HPV is incredibly common and in most cases, your body clears the virus within 2 years before it causes any health problems. Which is why the recommended cervical screening is 2 every years.