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Need advice on a sticky situation involving a deposit.angry_smile
eroticspirit 27 Reviews 5555 reads
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About a week ago I made arrangements with a very high end provider for a 2.5 hour session this upcoming Saturday. I put down a $300.00 deposit as a token of good faith.

Unfortunately, I found out Wednesday about a death in the family and had to cancel. Not a tragic death - - my brother in law's mom - - she lived to a ripe old age and passed peacefully. Still - - - obviously a solemn and serious occasion.

I wrote to the provider and asked for a refund on the deposit. I was subsequently told no - - - the provider made special arrangements for me on the hotel - - - can ' t get another client on short notice---can't get money back for the hotel, etc. Now her website states that any cancelation 36 hours or less is subject to a 30 percent penalty. I gave 67 hours advance notice. Yet I'm out 300 dollars!!  

What are your thoughts on this?? (Besides the obvious the deposits are a great risk and you can get burned---I sure found out the hard way!)

GaGambler115 reads

Your options are pretty much limited to "suck it up and take your lumps" or make a post on your/her regional board and blast her for it.

 
In your particular case I have to say I would advise you simply eat the $300. If she is both high end and highly reviewed a lot of people are going to interpret the penalty as 30% of the cost of the date which I am sure is more than $300 and it would be highly believable that if she is a low volume provider or that if she normally only works weekdays that she booked the room strictly for you, in which case I can see her out of pocket loss easily eating up your entire $300 deposit.

 
Personally I NEVER would have made such a deposit in the first place, but that's water under the bridge. The other risk you run by trashing her on her local board is that "if" her side of the story is believable and she is a well known/respected member of your regional board, you "might" find yourself on a bunch of DNS lists by her friends and other providers who read your post and take her side.

I'm guessing that's the point in security deposit. She might have given 2nd thought to less restrict her rules later on and posted it as a result. In interim I'm sure she was turning down calls and appointments leading up to your cancellation. Hope this helps

Gambler - - - you wrote this - - and you sure aren't recommending outing her in this post. Did someone steal your TER log-in LMAO!!

Posted By: GaGambler
Re: It's not like you can turn her into the BBB or file a small claims suit
Your options are pretty much limited to "suck it up and take your lumps" or make a post on your/her regional board and blast her for it.  
   
   
 In your particular case I have to say I would advise you simply eat the $300. If she is both high end and highly reviewed a lot of people are going to interpret the penalty as 30% of the cost of the date which I am sure is more than $300 and it would be highly believable that if she is a low volume provider or that if she normally only works weekdays that she booked the room strictly for you, in which case I can see her out of pocket loss easily eating up your entire $300 deposit.  
   
   
 Personally I NEVER would have made such a deposit in the first place, but that's water under the bridge. The other risk you run by trashing her on her local board is that "if" her side of the story is believable and she is a well known/respected member of your regional board, you "might" find yourself on a bunch of DNS lists by her friends and other providers who read your post and take her side.

I am paying for a provider's time. No time, no payment irrespective of who is responsible. No shows are a cost of doing business. I am tired of providers complaining and demanding indemnification by means of mandatory  deposits. And such deposit practices are legally unenforceable. Clients should simply avoid providers who demand deposits.

I am sure there will be providers who don't agree. I could not care less. It is my money and I will dictate acceptable terms. If they want the business, they will figure it out.

You can God damn bet the farm I will NEVER EVER deal with ANY provider wanting a deposit going forward!!

Hold up a second here, what if she paid for the hotel in advance? Then she is out the money as well. There can be 2 sides to the story. I am sorry about the death as well.

cajunman59 reads

She broke her own policy and robbed him!

There are NO two sides here!  Theft is theft.

Defending this behavior is telling.

I'm not sure if you have the cojones to do this, but I'd put something on the board of her base city recommending that she change her cancellation policy from 36 hours to maybe 72 hours. But make sure you have exhausted all the measures to get the money back. Put it a polite way, if there is such a way. Explain to the peanut gallery what happen....You might get a little push back and you for sure won't get your money back....but fuck it.
Then again, there's small claims court...lol

souls_harbor68 reads

"Then again, there's small claims court..."

After looking at my dick, that's what she said when she ran away with my money.

I can add nothing except you are fucked on the deposit but going forward I think you will do better and not make the same mistake.  Depending on how close you are with your brother in law, I personally would have skipped the funeral.

This provider was somebody who I really thought I would connect with fabulously!! The potential of me becoming a steady client was certainly there. That possibility is gone forever!!

So you got $300.00 in the short term - - - long term you may have lost one hell of a lot more!!

I took a quick gander at the list of providers you have seen and I am guessing the three hundred bucks will be nothing more than an irritant, so looking at it that way, her loss is going to be a lot bigger than yours.

 
and I hope you have noticed, not once did I call you stupid, foolish, or any of the other invectives I am famous for. lol I am sure you are kicking yourself much harder than I could ever do. I do want to perhaps walk back one of my earlier comments, you have a very good posting history, quite a few reviews, not to mention several white lists. If this really bugs you, and if it does I certainly don't blame you, I think someone with your cred could go toe to toe with even a very "well reviewed and popular" provider without sufffering any major damage to your reputation, but of course you know how much I like a shit storm, so my opinion might be a bit biased. lol

LMAO!! You can now officially include me as a member of the "he man deposit haters club!!

Gambler - - - as always you speak the truth!! The financial is just a minor irritant---I think I'm just passed at myself for making such a boneheaded move!! (It goes back to that time honored saying - - thinking with the " little head rather than the big one.") But I'm telling you ---this babe really had me turned on big time!! Now the mere thought makes me shrivel like a year old jar of dried prunes!!

Like I said, though, she might have gained short term but who knows what was potentially lost long term!! THAT evens things up a bit!!

It's pretty clear that you followed HER stated policy at the time where it comes to cancellations and that while it was you that were forced to cancel it was her that changed her policy midstream, Assuming she is a p 411 provider, Gina might be a very good arbiter to work this out and it might be possible that you might even get your deposit back.

 
but if nothing else the next time a woman comes on here claiming that "No well reviewed provider would EVER keep your deposit as she has too much to lose" you can simply refer her to this thread and that should end the debate. lol

If she booked a hotel through a site like priceline or expedia you have to pay extra to be able to refund the cost of the hotel if something happens. Lots of providers use sites like these.  If this is what happened she would have been paying you out of her own pocket in addition to losing the amount she expected from your appointment with her.  

Freddybown42 reads

You gave her almost THREE days notice . It appears that ( if I’m reading it right) you gave her the notice she required for a FULL refund. Plenty of time to cancel hotel room in most cases for full refund. . You didn’t see her so you can’t review her and notify all of what happened. It’s laughable when the providers bring up “ you can’t cancel on your dentist last minute and not get a penalty “. Some Escorts keep deposits, because, they can. Never ever give anyone a deposit. The risk is too great and the temptation is available for a provider to make a score with out retribution. But again , you know that now from all the other posts . Good luck

Then it could have been worse.  When you connect with them "fabulously" it just makes it easier for them to fleece you more than once.  

She should have been able to cancel the room, though she might not have had a ready date to fill her dance card.   But you are wasting your time... she's decided to keep your deposit & that's that.    

have policies and doesn't matter the room would be charged to the credit card. (Many hotels in DC area have a pre-paid rate and others have change their cancelation policies).  
Many hotels are extremely busy in this area and in order to secure the room we must paid in advance..  

She also could have other appointment but she blocked that time to be with you... For busy girls to fill that time may be easy but for someone that sees one person a day this is a huge loss.  

I think you two should take this conversation in private... and try to get to an agreement with out drama.

Freddybown43 reads

Really doesn’t matter , he followed her policy and got screwed. Can’t change the rules in the middle of the game. Bad business, bad provider.

cajunman47 reads

so what if she paid in advance?  She covered "her loss" by stealing HIS money!

How can you possibly defend that, even if your scenario is true?

She has a policy, broke it, and ripped off a guy?

If his facts hold, this was simple theft.

She SHOULD be outed as a rip-off, and outed here!

Otherwise, what's the point of TER other than to warn us of dirty operators like her.

I, for one, would like to know who it is so I can avoid her.

Here's the issue!!

If someone can pull a stunt like this on a deposit---think about what might happen if I outed this provider?? She has many superlative reviews and may very well have connections in places I know nothing about. If I out this person---can you imagine the heat that will be on my bacK?? I shudder to even consider the damage that could potentially be done!!

I'll eat the $300.00 and take comfort in the fact that....

a) It could have been financially a lot WORSE--(Suppose I put a deposit on a long weekend or some more elaborate arrangement.)

b) She'll never get a dime of my business going forward--(Which, if we hit it off could have been substantial. The potential was definitely there!!)

c)  I will have done the hobbyist community a service by recounting this episode and warning about the great risks in ANY sort of deposit arrangement---if it saves ONE person from a potential financial loss than I can say that it ultimately helped somebody.

d) For the provider community---this should serve as a wake-up call to be sure to spell out your policies IN VERY CLEAR TERMS THAT ARE FULLY ACCEPTED BY BOTH PARTIES!! (as I shout from the rooftops LOL!!)

WOW!! I feel like paraphrasing Karl Marx...."Hobbyists of the world...UNITE."

If you are too gutless to name her because you are afraid of her than your entire post was nothing but one giant whine fest and you did NO ONE any favors, I don't mean to kick you while you are down, but you are/were an idiot for giving her the deposit in the first place and no one with a bit of sense needed to "learn" anything from your experience, we already knew.

 
By your same logic, reviewers should never write anything but positive reviews, she isn't going to "learn" a thing except that she got three hundred bucks from you and suffered no block because of you. What you did was to "teach" the less scrupulous hookers out there that they can rip off their johns with very little fear of retribution. Thanks a lot, if you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem. You didn't save anybody from anything, if anything you made it worse.

Well said.

IF what he said is true, then she needs to be held accountable or else it sets a precedent for her to continue doing it.

I have thought it over and have since reported the incident to P411---(I took your advice and one other person's advice and contacted them---I figure a 3rd party arbitrator can effectively help solve this matter.)

cajunman86 reads

Hotel policies aren't the guys concern.

You run a business, deal with it, follow your stated policy and refund the deposit.  Otherwise guys need to be warned.

Ladies, you are either running a business or you are not.  Excuses for other ladies and bullshit scenarios to excuse rip-offs are telling.

.... she can't get back?
Personally, I'd believe that. She's probably paid out without the ability for a refund.  
But, I tend to think the best of people, until I get actual evidence to the contrary.  
You're not a victim.

Looks like you are solemnly and peacefully fucked..

transferring your deposit to that date. I too find it hard to believe she paid in advance for the room. Most quality hotels use a 24 hr. cancellation policy.

When I'm home based and get a hotel. I make the gentleman aware of this. Of course in the Raleigh area, I'm not paying $300 for a four star hotel.  

Steph XO

Gave this every opportunity to try and get back on track but apparently some people here were overestimated. Lesson learned.

You close the thread but there are 13 (now 14) posts, posted after you closed the thread. You must be the Rodney Dangerfield of admins. You need to talk to your bosses. 😊

I think that if she incurred in non refundable charges in anticipation of your date with her then it’s unfortunate and perhaps she can’t fully refund your money. The whole policy thing you describe and the time you claim you have told here you gave her as notice of cancellation makes me think iou are entitled to your deposit regardless of her booking the room. One thing I should say is that we are taking your word as face value without hearing from the provider in question so That makes it hard to know all the facts. A few months ago I went to San Diego and had an issue with a person who booked me with at least a weeks notice. The day of the appt he canceled and he had done that one time in the past so while I don’t have a cancellation policy explicitly described, I do warn people I reserve the right to ask for a deposit or ask for a cancellation fee. He gave me a very shitty response and proceeded to come to the boards to plead his case lying about the time he canceled and the circumstances as well. So people do lie and therefore if she is a reputable provider (which we don’t know since you didn’t say who she is) and she deems is proper to keep the deposit, I have to stand by the provider’s side. If she is known for pulling these kind of things and you were another victim then yeah I would probably ask Arnold least twice for my deposit back but if she refuses then I guess you should just warn others about who this person is and move on.  

Good luck.

I have no reason to lie---have the time stamps on my email correspondence as verification on when notification was sent.

At this point I'll just have to chalk it up as an aggravating, expensive lesson. No matter highly rated a provider is---deposits are simply a huge risk not worth taking--simple as that!!

Freddybown49 reads

Why would he lie ? To what advantage? . She changed her policy in midstream. Same as you going to Macy’s buying a skirt, returning it and the store saying “ oh sorry we don’t take returns from that vendor ? And nowhere is that noted at the store . WTF ? The guy got fucked and he didn’t even get kissed ! If it happened in reverse he would be blacklisted on VH. She gets off scot free. SMH

Perfectly stated!! (As my Dad told me eons ago when I was a kid - - - -"You're going to learn very quickly life can be very unfair - - - better get used to it!)  

Pops--- you were sure right about that one!!

When booking a week or so in advance things can always come up. Family, work, weather ect.  It's just called life.
Personally I don't like deposits, and I would only require one if I had to secure a location or if a gentleman's occupation
 ( example Doctor)  requires them to be on call.  
Problem with deposits, girl accepts money, girl meets boy...and boy & girl don't play well. lol

With that being said, some women require deposits for all appointments and everything goes smoothly.  

Better luck next time. ;-)

I think in a scenario like that, even though I may have prepaid for the room just to see you (which I do quite often) I may not have been able to offer a refund but I possibly would have added additional time to our next date to make up for your loss. That way my lost expenses are covered and we can still continue to build our new friendship without you feeling sore about your deposit. However the key word is possibly. Although cancellations are rare in my experience, the ones that do cancel and expect a refund come up with all manner of excuses. If I knew you were that keen to see me and you didn't ask if I was available the morning of, evening before or sometime after the funeral it would be hard to take you seriously. To be honest I would probably think some other lady that you have been dying to see is touring and is only available during the time of our date. There is a difference between asking to reschedule and flat out cancelling.

I had to travel out of state - -- so a quick reschedule was not feasible. And this is a touring provider - - - no idea when she will come this way again nor will I know my availability at the time she does come back again.

If you used you CC then dispute the charge. If you paid via AMEX, more than likely, you'll get your money back. It has been my experience that they are extremely customer friendly. Just a thought.

Posted By: eroticspirit
Re: Did you attempt to rebook with her?
I had to travel out of state - -- so a quick reschedule was not feasible. And this is a touring provider - - - no idea when she will come this way again nor will I know my availability at the time she does come back again.

Freddybown44 reads

He cancelled three days before . Well in advance of her policy on her website.   If the provider pre paid (non refundable ) for the room that was her risk, to save what , 25 bucks ? Additionally, Op mentions she was touring , she needed the room anyway !!!! And thats why she was able to run off with the deposit; she was touring never to see this guy again. She stole his money, flat out,

cajunman68 reads

If you do, leave your wallet in the car!! ;)

What the hell do you mean - "I may not have been able to offer a refund"?

He followed her rules, she took his money, and YOU want him to reschedule?

Fucking spare me!

How golden could that pussy be? ;)

ATLDAWG43 reads

You may have done this-but I didn't notice that you had told us who she is----without a name...........not only are you SOL but so will others be !

Just thought of something!!  

Before I go into details---I really prefer to keep identities private on this---I don't want to get involved in a huge war that's going to do nothing but potentially create irreparable damage!!

I just emailed the provider in question and asked that all of that $300.00 be donated to charity. I specified the specific one I'd like it to go to. If that request is complied with I'll feel a hell of a lot better knowing it's going to a great cause for people who really need it!!

If that happens then this whole episode will not be in vain!!

cajunman50 reads

Thanks a FUCKING LOT, asshole!

The "irreparable damage" will be done to her next victim!

I BET that the thief will send it to Planned Parenthood - you fool.

Kinda like ALL those mouthy lib chicks allowing their "FRIENDS" to walk into the Harvey Weinstein buzz-saw by being cowards!

Why even post in the first place?

Well, ask yourself, if you were in my shoes would you do it?? (A lot of guys TALK tough--but when the shit hits the fan then things usually are completely different.)

And look here, I don't appreciate the name calling one bit!! If you disagree, fine--but don't go spouting off like some half-a$$ thug!! I'M the one who took the hit here---and I'm giving people advice to protect themselves from this sort of thing happening to them. So save your tough guy bullshit for somebody who's going to be impressed by it--I don't give a rats-a$$ fuck!!

You want to avoid being robbed?? Follow this one simple rule--DON'T EVER SEND A DEPOSIT TO A PROVIDER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!! Do that--and you got nothing to worry about!!

-- Modified on 1/14/2018 11:10:29 AM

I sincerely thank everyone for their comments--if nothing else we had a great debate and exchange of thoughts/ideas!!

You'll notice a beaming smiley face next to my post. Why?? Because the sun is shining, I have my health, my libido is as powerful as ever, and life is BEAUTIFUL!! (In fact, I think I'm going to set up a date right now with one of my ATF's---and I guarantee it's going to be HOT LOL!!)

So for my dear hobbyist friends and comrades---I leave this thread with a closing thought that I wish you to take with you forevermore: DEPOSITS TO PROVIDERS ARE A GREAT RISK---YOU SHOULD AVOID THEM AT ALL COSTS!!

For our delightful providers who give us such joy, I say to you--MAKE YOUR POLICIES CRYSTAL CLEAR SO THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO AMBIGUITY ON EITHER SIDE!!

Happy Hobbying and Providing!!

cajunman49 reads

Yeah, this thief will limit herself to JUST stealing deposits. ;)  NOT!

Anyone hurt by her is now officially your fault.

What YOU don't give a fuck about is the next guy about to be ROBBED!

Pussy.

I thought about it and reported the incident to P411--we'll see what they say. Be cool!!

cajunman45 reads

DUMBASS!

Unless P411 TELLS US WHO THE THIEF IS, we are all at risk - well, the chumps who pay deposits.

Thanks again for nothing!

Jerk!

-- Modified on 1/18/2018 8:29:21 AM

About 5 days ago I asked the deposit question and thanks to this thread I didn’t do it instead I saw another provider who was awesome!!! I will never see a provider who ask for a deposit to many ladies who don’t!!!

Awesome!! Great to hear!! Delighted you were spared the same fate!!

Deposits are requested to address cancellations like this.  If you don’t want to risk losing them, don’t pay them.  Just chalk it up to experience and let it go.  

In the grand scheme of things---it's not worth going to war over $300.00. So I will, indeed, chalk it up to experience and advise anyone going forward to stay away from ANY arrangements involving deposits---too risky.

Footnote---I did email the provider and request that the $300.00 be donated to a charity---would love to see that happen. (Although I'm not counting my chickens on that one LOL!!)

Tippecanoe40 reads

I see this from both sides, especially with a high end provider. You may have been her only date, or maybe even one of two dates. Much more difficult to secure a guy at very high price points, than a girl who charges $300 a throw.

There are lots of costs involved in travel, as you hopefully know. Just think about it from her perspective.  Flight, hotel, meals, car/transportation, schedule on her end (maybe she has a kid or two), hair done, maybe purchased new shoes, lingerie, clothes, etc. Especially if she is high end, her variable costs are higher than some girl on BP. Not to mention her time in blocking out a few hours to be with you.

Changing a flight is going to cost her $200 alone depending on airline. Then the amount of time getting prepared for the date; booking flight hotel, making arrangements to be there. Yes, you gave her notice, but she still put in the time to get ready for the appointment - she isn't getting reimbursed for that if she doesn't have your deposit.

Even in the regular world, mechanics and auto body shops have stopped giving free estimates. They'll charge you for the time to diagnose, because its their time. They may apply that towards the repair if you do it at their shop.

I'm against deposits, but in this case just suck it up and put it towards a lesson learned and good will.  

IF you don't want to come out with 'nothing', maybe ask her for a whitelist here, or if you booked through P411 (or even if not), ask for an "OK".  Just saying, you can come away from this with something of value.

Ask for an ok on p411 or whitelist here???? He can't do that if he hasn't seen her!! That is a major NO NO!!!  
Also, new shoes, getting ready with new make up THREE DAYS ahead of appointment? A high end lady doesn't already have all that stuff? GTFOH with that REALLY.  Another WTF.  I believe he said she was on tour! She will be there anyway. She just pocketed his money period. If she was somewhere like NY then another booking isn't that hard.  Personally,  I'd never book a hotel room I couldn't cancel 3 days ahead of time anyway.  Not to mention, he DID follow her own cancelation policy,  she didn't.  
Surely you don't really believe all that you suggest???
I don't ask for deposits but if I did this guy certainly deserves his money back or deduct from a future meeting with her, at the least.  
I had a guy cancel last minute with me recently.  He sent me half the donation for the cancelation. I put that toward a future visit with him. We ended up meeting and had a blast! I kept my end of the deal, he kept his. Now, I probably have a wonderful regular.  Fantastic! Just makes  simple business sense to me.  
Sometimes ladies bite themselves in the ass and loose a lot more than they imagined just simply by loosing what could be a great regular client. All for 300 bucks.  
XOXO  
TL

Then what is the purpose of having a stated policy?!! If it can be modified, altered, created on a whim there may as well not be one at all!!

about alerting potential hobbyists that a lady is a rip-off or no-showing flake. It’s been said numerous times in this thread and elsewhere that had the OP been a creep, abusive, or whatever he would’ve been blacklisted. So if it’s okay for providers to warn others against an unsavory client, there should just as much encouragement to list unreliable providers.  

This is just another reason why 90% of the time us fellas should avoid deposits. Too many times a guy has sent money in advance, booked a room, bought a ticket (or sent the money to the girl to buy the travel herself) and got fucked over. The 10% of the time i feel deposits are ok with actual reputable agencies. But never with independents.

You are the absolute last person who should be giving the OP advice, and if I were the OP you would be the last person I would want pleading my case for me.

 

Personally, I think the OP has simply wasted all of our time since he refuses to name her, the only lesson that has been learned her is that the woman in question has now "learned" that she can steal deposits without having to pay any kind of price for doing so. Great job OP.

I reported the entire incident to P411--specifically named named the provider in question (through her P411 ID AND her website) and outlined everything. I offered to supply all supporting documentation as further evidence. They told me I didn't have a case and would not get involved. I'm already screwed--anything else I do at this point is just going to dig the hole for me even deeper. So I'll cut my losses and will set my own personal policy to never submit a deposit under any circumstances going forward. You guys would be wise to do the same.

If P411 won't support me to help get a refund---who the hell else will?!! If I out this person, she'll run to P411, they'll back her up--and then my a$$ will be plastered on every blacklist known to mankind!!

Whining about such bad behavior without naming names is just that, WHINING.

 
You are scared of repercussions, so the unnamed hooker gets off scot free with ZERO adverse consequences at all.  

 

Now if you had any guts and you were the one plastering HER name all over the internet for ripping you off, THEN and only then would she learn that actions have consequences, but you have simply proven the exact opposite, her actions have resulted in no consequences. Thanks a lot, for making the problem even worse that is.

I disagree - - - sorry kid!! (BTW---reread the very 1st post you made on this thread----your viewpoint is completely different!!)

-- Modified on 1/18/2018 10:44:41 AM

I have always been on the side of "naming names" I don't really know why I suggested you pussy out in my first post, but it was bad advice and I take it back.

I sent a very detailed email to P411 describing the incident and asking for advice on how to proceed.  Will see what they say!! (I figure if I can get a 3rd party arbitrator to help handle this discreetly we can solve the matter without me having to post billboards on here. I want to handle this quietly, yet effectively. )

Every provider should honor any terms and conditions outlined on their website. I would call her and try to reason with her without escalating the situation and watch your tone to make sure things go smoothly. If that doesn't work and you might want to see the same provider at a future time ask her if she is willing to credit the deposit, or 70% of it toward another session in the future.

ILOVEMILFS61 reads

Your right, she should give you the refund.  

 I have given deposits before and have never had a problem.
If I did have a conflict with a date I wouldn't ask for a refund.  I would ask to reschedule for another date.

By asking for a refund it will piss her off (even if you are justified...Again this isn't Nordstroms...)

Just my $0.02

I can see both sides of the coin.. if she already paid for the room, I could see why she retained the deposit..  

However, she should follow her own policy and only booked the room once the deposit window was in effect..  

I rarely take a deposit.. when I do it is for a special or I am traveling to visit someone.. at the time I request the deposit I inform the gentleman that the deposit is not refundable.. unless I have to cancel..  

A gentlemen who I have seen before had a death in the family a few days before our appointment.. he offered to compensate for my troubles.. but I had not booked a room as it was not close enough in time.. so no big deal.. had I booked the room, I would of asked for reimbursement..  

My condolences to your family.  

Xoxo

about the deposit, ask for a receipt. This way you'll see in good faith she really paid for the hotel or made arrangements to meet you in the first place.

If you indeed followed  her policy, which I have no reason to doubt at this point.  As I haven't  seen an argument  by the provider.  Don't  know  if she has involvement  on TER. But if she does,  would  think she would  want to state her side.   And you have been quite fair , in giving her the chance.

 But honestly  people  need to stop looking for  others (third party ) to solve their problems.    Nothing  wrong with getting assistance  from P411, but you are the dog  in this fight. Not them. Yes you should name her for accountability.  

 If She walks away money  in hand, reputation  in tact, because you fear retribution.  She and others  that pull that BS on clients  just sees you as weak chump, that just stepped off  the short  bus, wearing  your helmet.    Let's  be honest  , some look at that  type as the ideal john.    

Well okay I disagree on a minor point, I don't see why the woman in question would ever want to admit what she did in public when right now she not only has his three hundred bucks, but she has complete anonymity to boot. Why would she want to draw unfavorable attention to herself?

 
Now up until now I too have had no reason to dispute the validity of the OP's claim, but since Gina declined to help and the OP won't name names, I can't help but think that "maybe" there is another side to this story, or some little detail that the OP forgot to mention.

 
BTW I completely agree the OP has proven himself to be the "ideal john" he gets screwed out of three hundred bucks but is scared to make his robber mad at him.

Made arrangements to see sydnee.. sent deposit and she kept asking for more on the deposit then after, said her kids were sick.  Over a 2 month period kept coming up with excuses.. I figure I have to suck it up .. $600.. I will only ever use those with no negative reviews on TER from now on

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