Yes we all know there are losers who aren't "twitter" or tech savvy, and like to live in a fantasy universe where hookers are unicorns and candy cane, who aren't petty or out to out anyone..
NOT!!!! Apparently there is hooker by R.B.200 who not only post the full name and information and company of a hobbyist who she was angry at giving her a low score. She screenshot all his info and blasted it on twitter.. Keep dreaming when these "girls" say they are keeping safe b/c of references, more like leverage against you in the futurehooker and Johns we all kinda are in the bubble of fantasy, Johns want a lady to act a certain way so they can feel a certain way and then get disappointed if its not perfect as it is in there mind. That can be a hard one to fill for a service provider / hooker she not a mind reader lol. you can walk out anytime you want, and she can ask you to leave anytime she wants.
you guys write what you got and how it went so each other can want it or not want it. That has worked very well for Johns. but if you have flat been a ass rude insulting or violent or maybe threw up in the room or shit your self, WELL a girl might retaliate. So Johnie boy /Lovey dovey check your facts clear your self up and try again nicely.
hooker/ females or transgender or males service providers deserve decent treatment as well as the Gentlemen. Be kind and be nice.
Don't give her all of your personal info. Don't register on those verification escort sites.
So ur the guy that text us all at 3am to see if we are available to a stranger who doesn’t wanna be screened. Right? Safety and dictection leads to amazing u forgettable experiences. Just treat her the way you wish to be treated.
I delete EVERYTHING! I would NEVER do what you have described. However during screenings I have had another provider tell me she wished she had never seen a certain client over his review that really hurt her business. I couldnt believe he used her as a reference. But thats as far as it should go. Not all of us behave so unprofessionally.
Can vouch for that ,xoxo
Guy left her a 7/7, said her pics were 10 years old and 30lbs ago. She then miraculously "remembered" that he tried to rawdog her and posted his personal information all over the open sewer that is SW Twitter, no blacklist, etc. - posted it on an open twitter feed. This was supposedly a "high end" girl with a "brand" to protect (snicker). She's rebranded before for similar issues.
I've said it before and will say it again - giving a hooker your personal info has nothing to do with their "safety" and everything to do with making you vulnerable to coercion. Don't do it.
Completely agree. I use Ter, P11 and hooker references. When they ask for additional information, I give my first name, Ter, P11 and hooker references for good faith. Never had a problem booking first time providers. I'm a little picky and do my research plus I live in hooker wonderland so it's a little easy for me.
They won't cause these hookers stick together while the pathetic men can't even stand up together ...
find an UTR provider that has as much to lose as you. low internet footprint. twitter itself is drama and people looking for sympathy.
plus most of us already have that in one way or another.
I find this thread interesting.
I get many request from potential clients who have no method of screening other than personal information. I am sure even now some would be reading this.
So if someone has no reviews to get references from, is not member of a screening website and has background to confirm there, has no references at all what is a provider to go on?
I would like to know how the veteran clients suggest the potential client go about making the provider feel safe in all aspects. So many of you say its BSC to give personal information. But Smartie is right, there are many possible new clients who simply cannot get into the hobby without already have references.
Please do not reply saying give information to a screening website. That is giving personal information. I am ask specifically, what the heck option does the newbie have if he has nothing but his personal information to give.
Just a simple question
Christine
The chances of a john ever having a personal issue with a company like P 411 and Gina deciding to "out" him are less than ZERO. The chances of even a "well reviewed" hooker going BSC some day and outing one or more of her clients in a fit of rage over some perceived transgression or just because she gets burnt out and starts hating all her clients, while slim, are still much higher than "zero"
I completely agree that newbies, just like newbie providers are in a catch 22 situation where they need references/reviews in order to get references/reviews. One of the best ways for a client to solve this catch 22 is the very method you rule out.
I have said this for years, the BEST and safest way for a newbie to break into seeing providers is to join a service like P 411, see a few providers that are "newbie friendly", get okays from them and then they should be good to go and most likely won't be asked for anything more than their P 411 profile and okays anymore than 2% of the time. I know there is a very vocal minority of providers who "claim" that a lot of providers ask for more information than a guys P 411 profile and okays, but just because they are vocal doesn't mean they are correct. I have booked hundreds of sessions through P 411 and have only been asked for ID or any other additional screening information somewhere around 1% of the time, and most other P 411 members will echo my experiences.
I agree, I can see no reason P411 would ever release any client's information except to law enforcement.
I strongly disagree that a service like P411 is the safest way for anyone to be a client. By accumulating lots of names of clients, P411 is a target for two threats that are actively trying to out you, right now: the government and professional identity thefts/blackmailers.
The moment P411 trips up and runs afoul of the US justice system, think of how much of a fine or time in prison the proprietor is likely to be willing to spend to protect your name. I'd vote for none. And P411 is a target, because somewhere out there is a DA or Chief of Police thinking, hmmm, hundreds of guys in my jurisdiction using providers... how big of a fine do you think I can squeeze out of them... should we have our Christmas party at Taco Bell or La Belle Champagne et Caviar?
As for identity thieves/blackmailers, P411 is a bottomless treasure chest. They know you can and will pay a lot of money to not be outed. P411 better have some damn good security.
On the other hand, giving one escort your real name? Yes, she might out you from vengeance. I guess it's happened on Twitter, once. It's probably not a cheap decision for a provider to make, because it forces her to start from scratch. But she's of little value to the people with the resources and motives to want your info.
Since Gina states that all paperwork is destroyed after verification is complete, the only thing she can provide is ID and LE would have to do the legwork to figure out what that means. Not everyone uses last 4 of DL etc.
Hence getting actionable PII is quite difficult, in my opinion.
This business is about discretion on both sides. Someone who "outs" a person for something unnecessary like giving a low score should not be in this business. However, Sometimes you get what you pay for. Drugs and alcohol can also play a factor meaning they ruin your perceptual thinking. Some of us women have more to lose and choose to be discreet for not only our sake but for the men who see us. Not fun when a wife calls u up or follows u because she found your number in his phone. Both sides please be safe and discreet.
I have seen no correlation between age of a provider and her propensity to "out" a client. Quite frankly it's more likely for an older "burnt out" hooker like the ones you find on Twatter to be the one to out a client than it is for a newer, younger, less jaded girl to turn on her clients that way.
Just look at either Twatter or the TER discussion boards. How many younger providers are MHB's compared to the older crowd. By comparison the number of "john hating hookers" who are young is much lower than it is with the women who have been doing this for years or even decades.
I had one call my wife, when I was married.... My wife knew about the hooker already. We were at the end of a shitty marriage for both of us but had a lot to sort out in the divorce. My wife set her straight, told her if she did not shut the fuck up she would file a 1099 on her so the IRS would be looking for their tax dollars. My ex was a real bitch
all over a bad review on another site
Troll account is trolling.
Boring as fuck.
Now I can comfortably enjoy ur trolling posts
It's quite embarrassing she had to take action in this manner for a mere low score. I have a sense that she is going through a lot to backlash like this. It could be that she is going through something very difficult in her personal life. Yes, it's true that some individuals may choose to take a radical approach but I don't agree that every person would react the same. I believe that it's important to take time and truly be wise who you spend your time with. You must consider if this person is of good character. I take the time to see if my company will respect me as much as I will respect his privacy. Decisions, decisions.
I agree with GaG completely on why clients trust Gina/411 and rather share their information one time with her than to have their information with multiple people.
Think of Gina as an exchange, whose only business is verification. There is no emotion involved and unless someone does something drastically stupid, a nearly zero chance of being outed. As soon as individuals get involved, all human frailties are in action and people do make unwise decisions sometimes.
When a provider states that she keeps information confidential and/or destroys it after the session etc. she gets upset when some client does not want to go through that. Just because one provider is diligent about this does not mean every provider is and hence as a client, I'd rather stick with 411 or equivalent verifications.
I would never disclose a clients personal information. For two reasons. First I do believe in business integrity and privacy protection. But perhaps more importantly I'd be afraid of what you might do to me! I'm not foolish enough to believe that any of us are completely anonymous on the internet.
In fact one time I was harassed and threatened by a client who had some of my personal information (rookie mistakes). I could easily have exposed him but he may have made it way worse for me in the long run. Self preservation is key.
And you just confirmed the point that I have been making, thanks 
"In fact one time I was harassed and threatened by a client who had some of my personal information (rookie mistakes). I could easily have exposed him but he may have made it way worse for me in the long run"
The statement above shows how risky it is to exchange personal information. If you believe now that providing your personal information to a client could have been risky for you, imagine how clients feel when asked to provide their personal information to providers?
"I don't misuse it", "I'm responsible", "I'm not like other girls", "How dare you question my honorable intentions" -- just doesn't cut it.
Hence, go 411 and Gina!!!!,
I’m shocked to see that there is someone who would so such a thing . IN my opinion , exploiting someone in that manner is career suicide. Why would a guy want to book with someone who exploits a hobbyist. If they did it once, i would bet on it they’d do it again. Shows more about the provider than the John.
This job involves a certain level of risk. It just does, regardless of how many safety precautions we take. There are bad apples out there. Every once in a blue moon, regardless of how thorough a guy is screened, things happen.
I make it a practice to draw a firm line at someones family, job, anything that goes into their personal life. Yes, I’ve had to suck it up once or twice. If i am ever screwed over, i will do everything i can BUT attack their personal life.
Shake it off, move on, and learn a lesson. It’s not worth blasting someone on the internet. It shows more about the person disclosing the personal info than it does about the guy.
Be safe!! Xoxo
some do. Most do. You are speaking about a few bad apples. With any service, there are good and bad apples on each side of the coin. You have to do your diligence in deciphering who is good and bad, that goes for men and women, and the key to that most times is listening to that feeling in your gut after screening. If something doesn't feel right, most times it's not.
On the flipside of your argument, I'm more worried about gents who don't get what they want who will "out" me. I have EVERYTHING to lose by being here, so the pressure is on me, not him. I would never use information against anyone unless physical assault was involved. And as a result, if I ever became impaired and unable to take care of my children, then yes, I would consider seeking council. Hopefully that will never happen, but as some have said, this place is a risk on all levels.
The world right now is a very angry place, and I can assure you, I see less than 25% who contact me now because of it for that reason alone. The "hobby" has changed as far as I'm concerned as a whole, at least for me because of this.
While you are and have every right to be concerned for the men here, you should be equally, if not more concerned for the women who provide this service for you. We put our whole selves out there, fictitious name or not, body and more.
Being a relatively newer hobbyist, I was wondering how many times have providers felt threatened/unsafe while being with a 411 verified and okayed client?
Bad reviews from a difficult client is no reason to get personal information from clients. Agree completely with you that safety is paramount and I think 411 verification and okays go a long way in ensuring that.
Not all of us use p411 here for our own reasons, therefore sometimes personal info is required if he has no references (or claims to not have any). There are many guys who play games here pretending to be someone else when going thru screening (had 4 this week alone). The world on p411 is alot smaller than you think on the ladies side, same clients over and over so that gets old real quick imo. I've actually met more men who I've connected with stronger without it, and who choose to screen properly the first time. Good luck to you being a new gentlemen here!
I was recorded and the recording posted online by a P411 client. BBFS was forced on me by a P411 client. I was backhanded across the face by a P411 client. I was given two counterfeit $100 bills by a P411 client. I was outed by a P411 client. The notion that P411 clients are somehow better behaved than clients you find elsewhere completely baffles me. If anything they behave badly because their identities are cloaked. The icing on top of the cake is that only one of the jerks was removed by Gina. The others still had active accounts when I last checked. The almighty dollar ranks higher on her list than the providers' safety so I used P411 as an advertising platform and stopped using it as a verification service.
So are you the one who was recently recorded secretly and Gina sent out a message to all? She did take action once this was reported by others as well.
I do not know what to say other than you seem to be having much worse luck with 411 clients than I've heard so far from others. In all the cases that you mentioned, were they newbies or people with multiple okays?
Perhaps some long timers can provide more information on what they've seen on these forums so far regarding 411 clients.
BTW, how did a 411 client 'out' you? How did he get your personal info?
1) She is the unluckiest hooker that has ever found her way here
2) She somehow is bringing this stuff on herself, much the way "some" guys experience NCNS 75% of the time while the rest of us have it happen less than 10% of our sessions.
3) She is full of shit which is why she is hiding behind an alias.
I think we all know where my money is on this.
My provider identity is meaningless here because I retired earlier this year and maintain an account here for my assistant business. They are 2 separate things so if I'm going to comment on my life as a provider I will use an alias. I'm not the unluckiest provider in the world, just one that was an active provider for over a decade and a half. Take a woman who spent that long as a full time provider and you're likely to hear many stories just like mine.
I was outed by a P411 member right on TER through the PM system and in spite of rules stating that this is a bannable offense, he's still here and there as well. I'm not going to comment on how he got my personal information because it's irrelevant to the topic at hand, which is bad behavior by P411 members. The person I responded to asked for examples, I gave them. Victim blaming/shaming should be beneath most of you. If you need my provider identity to decide whether or not I'm credible, feel free to PM me but my reviews no longer exist here (they can only be found on 2 sites that refused to take my info down).
You women share personal information all the time and no one calls that "outing"
Your admission that you were "outed" via TER PM makes his P 411 rather irrelevant to what he did. His TER membership is much more germane to any discussion about your "outing" than the fact he was also a member of P 411. TER is not going to take action against a TER member who acted badly on P 411, so why would you expect Gina to take action on something that happened on TER?
It is outing and TER's own rules state this:
Personal information
Posting personal information of members or providers, including content copied from their emails or Private Messages, is grounds for BANISHMENT. This includes PMs between TER and members.
So if I found out that a P411 member was a convicted sex offender it shouldn't get him thrown off P411 because he didn't use P411 to assault the person? If I were to out a member I would get thrown off the site, wouldn't I? There isn't a difference here, a P411 member outed my personal information to numerous TER members which makes him dangerous to other ladies in the community.
The discussion was if P411 members behave badly, I offered up my own experience stating that yes, they do. Gina herself says to ask for whatever additional screening information you need to feel comfortable and MANY ladies are now asking for a real name and number in addition to his P411 account with okays. P411 isn't a "get out of screening free" card. It's a tool but not the whole toolbox. Also, if you ever were able to look at the number of blacklists with P411 IDs you would know that there are tons of hobbyists who behave badly which is specifically what I was commenting on. You know, something I have experience with and can comment on as a long time full time provider.
I wouldn't spend much time arguing with GaGa ... he just uses the responses to amp up his insult levels. It's kind of a pointless exercise.
You are just one of the very few, but very vocal providers that claim that "many" women are following your lead.
My personal experience and the personal experiences of MANY other mongers belies your claims. I have had no more than maybe 2% of the women I have contacted, out of hundreds, that have ever asked me to jump through any additional hoops. You know something I have experience with and can comment on as a long time whore mongering pig. lol
It seems that you agree that this is a TER matter and that you took it up with TER but they disagreed with you. I don't mean to sound insensitive but considering you are posting under an alias you could easily be making the entire thing up.
As a delisted provider I can't mention my old provider name, that's a TER rule. They know who I am since they transferred my account over for me to continue getting VIP credit, just in case you think I'm breaking some rule by having another account. Posting using my assistant account doesn't help any of the ladies I work for so I'll keep using an alias when talking about my old provider life.
I can speak to the fact that nearly half of the ladies I have worked with as an assistant over the past 5 years have asked for real life information. I can also speak to the fact that nearly every provider I know in my personal life does the same (and there are many). Perhaps you don't experience this as much because you have so many okays or tell ladies who you are but my experience tells me that there are a growing number of providers not just accepting okays anymore. Or maybe there are a whole lot of ladies lying about it, something I can't speak to.
Again, my point was that P411 clients do shitty stuff and they are able to get away with it because their identity is cloaked by P411. I never had another issue with a client after I started asking for a real name and number, not anything more serious than a last minute cancellation. You're focusing on me mentioning getting outed which wasn't the only thing I mentioned. I'm guessing by my post that there are ladies that have figured out who I am and I'm not the only person the one guy recorded using a camera pen a couple years ago. Those ladies may even remember me talking about the counterfeit bills. The two other issues I only ever told one other provider about and she's also retired now. You don't have to believe me and I'm not going to spend any more time going back and forth about it. For the ladies reading this, feel free to PM me for details. I'm more than happy to share them with you.
There are a lot more providers who do these things than will admit to doing so in public.
So yes, one explanation why you believe there are more women doing this than you think is that there may indeed be a lot of women lying to you about it.
Please remember that while you are going to encounter more clients in a month than I will in a lifetime, I am going to meet hundreds more providers and have first hand experience about their screening methods than you ever will.
"Confounds" and "infuriates" me"!"
On BOTH sides... Revenge reviews are ridiculous and shameful. The people who engage in these practices should really get their head examined. Where are your priorities? This isn't serious shit it's something people do in their spare time for fun, there's no need to drag shit out by starting some stupid feud. The same thing goes for escorts. I don't have time to get on the internet and start a smear campaign about you. Let's just break it down in economic terms. You screwed me over by leaving me less money than I was owed. What's the best way for me to recoup my losses? Go around the internet posting your number, address and details about that nasty fetish you begged me to appease? Or going on my computer/phone to try and message some regulars or make new appointments so that your stupidity doesn't harm my bottom line? The only thing I do when I'm screwed over like that is block the person who did it and blacklist them wherever possible so that no women who actually screen will have to deal with what I did. Both of those actions also serve my bottom line because they reduce the number of bad clients in the market and make doing business easier as long as everyone participates. I choose productivity over pettiness and I wish everyone did the same.
"You get what you pay for"....
"A donkey will never become a race horse" ... simple as that... LOL
its upsetting to know this happened, but unfortunately some women are just cruel like that. Don't judge all of us based on her, we aren't all like that.
I personally would never purposefully mishandle someone’s private information no matter what because I value my own privacy as well. But, that’s not to say everyone would feel the same. Especially if you’re referring to them as hookers and the like 😂
I don't mind being called a john, or even a trick, and carrying it a step further there are at least a dozen people who make fun of my slanted eyes on a regular basis, but they are my friends and it's just the way friends talk to each other in a "locker room" environment like a "internet fuckboard"
I personally use the word hooker all the time and let me assure many if not most of my very best friends are hookers as you might be able to tell by the outpouring of support I got on the other major thread going on right now. Or just look at all the many lighthearted threads where we call each other hookers, johns, sluts, manwhores and the like. It's obvious we are all friends in those threads and it's just the way we talk to each other when we are joking around.
That said, I will concede that when the OP uses the word, he most definitely means it in a disparaging way and it sounds like a dirty word when he says it, but it's not the word itself, it's his intent to demean. BTW I believe the OP has been kicked off the site for helping spread MY personal information all over the internet. Karma's a bitch, wouldn't you agree?
I always thought he was a loser, but if he help out you he is dangerous too. Hope they never let him back in. Being a troll is forgivable but actively making this game we play more dangerous is not. I am very glad he is gone.
I have seen very few providers, most of my experience has been with sensual massage. Some have lead to oral and FS. I typically find someone I trust and generally limit myself. Part of the reason is the field in which I work and the general distrust of the internet. Somebody said in a previous post that you have to assume anything you post on the internet will become available someday and I know that to be true.
So when I see a screening form requesting where I work, phone number, etc I just cannot provide that information. I do understand the need for providers to protect themselves though. I'm not sure if there's an alternative or not. If and when I really retire, maybe I could feel comfortable enough to provide more details.
They certainly will not, since you are uniquely talented in making friends and influencing people.