Can't help it. As a cabinetmaker this thread made me go off with all sorts of ideas for the next "screw" encounter you may have. You may want to ask for the size: 6, 8, 10 or even a 12. Also ask for the head shape: slot, phillips, hex or square. If he's totally confused by this time just tell him you've got the "bits" to fit all. Crazy thread but I love it. gf60