Up until yesterday a provider was eligible to get a 10 on performance  if she has "Really bi" in her profile. As of today you must have had an ffm session with her for her to have earned a 10. But as we all know an ffm session will get a different ter Id with the 2nd provider listed. The other 2 ways a 10 can be earned is if she actually performs greek (must now be performed, not just liated in profile) during your session or if it is an mmf.

So now the only way a provider can get a 10 is with greek or an mmf.  

Perhaps, there are other relevant services that go into a 10 performance other than greek. As an example, if a girl gets 3 cups out of me or more, perhaps that is worthy of a 10. It can be life altering!

Maybe squirting? I'm sure there are other things that can make an experience a 10 other than greek.  

I guess my point is why is greek or an mmf the only way for a provider to earn a 10 on an individual profile? I understand about the need for consistency and the proliferation of 10s being given, but to only be eligible for a 10 if greek is performed is not appropriate  either and very restrictive.

I'm not sure that services offered -- or even provided -- should set the evaluation of the performance experienced.

Maybe if TER is considering a rearchitecting of the review structure they could allow the individual service to be rated and then the overall rating based on the evaluation of each of the services performed.

There was a time when a 9 was a great score on TER. A 10 was a rarity. That was before you started writing reviews.

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I wish TER Admin would ask for more discussion and feedback before doing stuff like this. But ...

What's wrong with being Tried and verified as True (bi T/F, mfm T/F, greek T/F)?  

Every one of us has our own preferences, as you seem to admit. For some, really great DFK might be the 10+ hot button. Or CIMNQNS might be their 10+ hot button. FIV? Toys?  

I guess we know what buttons the Man Behind the Curtain at TER likes to have pushed!!  

In the Juicy Details, you can just write that she got the top score allowed: 7/7 (7 out of 7), 8/8, 9/9. And tell us why: "Would have been a 10/10 but we didn't do fmf or anal."

I have been with some FANTASTIC 7/7s!!  

Maybe the review / scoring system will evolve some more and the simplified single numbers will post as ratios (was that 7 a 7/7 or a 7/10).  Even then, I would probably find the Juicy Details to be more important that the number rating.

An excellent score.
They should also do away with the top lists.

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When TER makes a big change they sneak it up on us and we find out accidentally. That's how it has always been.
However at least this time they did change the written rules. (See Review submission Guidelines, specifically rule 8). A lot of times, changes are made and they are unwritten.

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the service doesn't have to be actually performed during the session being reviewed she just has to be willing to do it.

Check out the link.

All great points. Ffm is now irrelevant as that will be on a separate duo review. Mmf? Not much of that going on. I guess so long as we all accept 9 is the new top score unless greek is performed it's all good

I know you already brought this to their attention. Let's hope they fix it. Enough people are confused.

So, now a client isn't allowed to rate an experience a "10" unless he WANTS to have anal sex?

That's absurd.

What if the client doesn't want anal? What if the client wants anal performed on him? What if the client isn't able to perform anal because he's hung like a horse or he can't get hard enough for anal penetration? What if he digitally penetrates her or uses anal toys? Those men can't also have a "10" experience?  

There are sooo many reasons this change is a bad idea. These are just a few.

 

 

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Agreed. Squirting is far more rare than anal.  

As you said, there are many, many things that can make an experience  "once in a lifetime" that don't include anal.

If anal is now required, I wonder if we can get +1 for performing anal on the client?

 

 
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We know its still there.  Once the new version rolls out, it will be updated, along with other FAQs and Help information.

Board admin... can you comments on why Ter felt the need to change the policy?  Too many 10s? Not enough greek? Was something broken?

Amen to that.

I think that the system is a well-thought out balance of compromise and clarity.  I agree that a "10" should be reserved for a performer at the apex of the profession, and in order to do that you've got to have a very wide repertoire.  But at the same time, the score is the client's perception of how well the provider performed what the client wanted.  As long as the review itself provides context for what happened, it's a smart system.

The only problem is that a rating system needs consistency, because the new system basically muddies all the >7 reviews received so far.  So while I can surmise that the powers that be wanted to cut back on grade inflation because it undermines the credibility of the ratings, what they've primarily accomplished is to undermine the credibility of many of the 1.35+ million ratings in the system.

I think a Rotten Tomatoes style system would be better.  Until a reviewer has a certain number of review, underweight or leave their scores out of the averaging.  Do the same for a reviewer who lacks meaningful variance in their scores.  Keep the algorithm secret.  That's okay in the Google era.  Just don't devalue our prior efforts.

I would like to cast my ballot for Squirting and rimming instead of Greek for the extra point value.

There are some providers out there that do offer/perform greek to some, but not all her clients and would much rather not have it publicized for the world to see.

I know Greek is popular among many and gets alot of attention, but there is no shortage for Squirting and Rimming requests. TER added these to our profile awhile back, so why not allow them into the point equation and have the same rules apply to all three. Must be offered and performed in that particular session??? Agree?

Anal +1
Squirting +1
Rimming give/receive +

...is she fake squirting for the +1 ? Plenty of guys wouldn't know (or care) to tell the difference.

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And ai love it  
Had session yesterday with it and hopefully another tomorrow.
Licking lips all ready

Firstly, does it not make more sense in general that a provider can only earn bonus points when she does the necessary actions within the session being reviewed? Previously what determined the score a provider could receive was her profile - if a provider sends in a problem report saying she does anal, is really bi and is into multiple dudes, we would change her profile and bam, she's eligible for a 10 and yet perhaps will never do anything to earn more than a 7 in her entire hobby career. Now, that workaround is out of the equation; if you want the points, you have to do the deed. This also rules out other issues that would arise, such as when a provider profile doesn't get updated for long periods of time for whatever reason, their menu could change to include/exclude extras and then their review scores become misrepresentative in one direction or another as their profile no longer matches said menu.  

Secondly, this is not really a new policy and instead more of a reversion to an old one. This is actually how we moderated reviews a couple of years ago, but for reasons not worth elaborating on for they are a) very boring, b) for TER only and c) honestly very boring again, we moved to the profile-adjudicated process outlined above.  

I can't make it clear enough either that this is in no way an official response - I don't make the rules, I'm just a guy enforcing them.

^^Those are your words in the post above. When was a couple years ago? You say it's a reversion to an old policy, but as far as I recall, the policy has always been the same. The Provider had to offer the extra services but did not have to perform them in a session to be eligible for the higher scores.  I'm not saying the new policy is bad, but I don't see it as a reversion to an old policy. You did say your statement above is not "official" and mine is obviously not official since I am not on TER staff, but I do rely on my knowledge of TER based on my longevity here, my memory, and my research skills.

I was thinking 2012, speaking from personal experience.

And that was one of those secret changes where the written rules stayed the same?
I can also easily find lots of reviews from 2012 where this definitely did not apply.

Maybe I'm wrong, but this is how I'm interpreting what I have read and heard so far. Please don't jump don't my throat if I am misunderstanding...Essentially a GFE session is not worthy of a 10, so basically unless you are willing to be PSE 24/7 then your scores will suffer. So if a client happens to prefer a sensual style of a date he is not allowed to say that was 10 worthy, even if it was exactly what he wanted. This also negates all of the other factors such as simply spending time with someone who is engaging/interesting/entertaining in other ways. When you are on a long date, being a true courtesan is almost an art form and it requires a lot more than hanging from the ceiling fan in the bedroom.  

No provider should feel pressured to allow two men in a session right out of the gate. For their own safety and comfort they should be allowed to only offer this to regulars that they feel comfortable with. It is my opinion that it is unsafe practice to book a date like this with a new client and no one should be punished for trying to keep themselves alive in this crazy industry.  

On the flip side many men don't really care for two chics. Some just can't afford it, some can't handle it, some don't believe in it, and some have the 'been there, done that' attitude. As several people have pointed out, doubles get listed off in space as a separate review anyway for some odd reason that doesn't make sense to me.  

Now to Greek - a provider should not have to offer that to every single person, every single time in order to get a great score. Many ladies don't make dates with men who contact them asking sexually specific questions. I just think that is a wise way of going about this since the ladies are supposed to be getting gifted for their time, not sex acts, right?  So with this rule a provider would have to physically prepare her body before every single date with the assumption that the client might request it during their date. What if the client is just too huge to handle, or if he is too rough/intense? What if she did an incall all day and just can't handle that nonstop? What if she does not want to open herself up to the huge increase in chances of getting an std? What if the provider is willing to do it for extra compensation and he does not have it or want to pay more? Is she supposed to offer this at her regular donation rate now?

Point being, there is not a one size fits all strategy to this and ladies should be given the right to exercise their discretion without being penalized. Men should be able to decide on their own if they personally felt their date was worthy of a high score regardless of some check list that someone else decided was important. Most of us pay to be on here and we should be able to decide for ourselves as adults what we enjoy doing, not what someone else says we should be considering perfect sex. I have plenty of clients who consider me their ATF and see me often yet never request any of these things.  

If it were up to me, luckily for many of you it is not , this would be the scoring system:
Answer yes, no, or brief 'other'
Did she show up on time as agreed?
Was she the person in her photos?
Are her photos a current and accurate representation of her appearance?
Was her hygiene good?
Would you see her again?
Would you recommend her to a fellow hobbyist?
Did she stay the agreed upon time?
Were you satisfied with your dates performance?
Would you consider this provider as a bedroom only date or would you also consider her a public companion?
Give some details about your fav/least favorite parts of the date.

.... End of story morning glory. That's all that really needs to be said IMO...but wth do I know anyway? Just some thoughts.
Thanks for reading if you made it to the end.
Xo

TER hasn't officially rolled out the new Beta Version. So right now the reviewers can't give an extra point for Chemistry on the present format?  Yet you've changed the review rules all the while saying that the ladies can qualify for an extra point for Chemistry. We don't have that yet, correct?

Yes or no?

Steph

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... the change makes some sense.  

What does NOT make sense to me and I think many others is that there's an arbitrary aspect to the new rule, e.g. that a provider cannot be a 10 in the opinion of the reviewer without anal sex being involved.  Do LFK/DFK, BBBJ, and Greek and you can get a 10--and that's the ONLY way to get a 10 in a MF session.

I've had what to me was an unquestionably once in a lifetime experience with a provider, and I gave her that score because I thought she deserved it.  Under the old rule, it was legal--and many other reviewers gave her a 10 (and many gave her 9). But under the new rule, she can earn at most an 8 in a MF session.

It's your site and you folks make the rules.  But IMO that one sucks (BB).

I rarely post but these changes have left me astounded as well.  

The way the rankings are run, and now these current changes leave a LOT to be desired.  Needing to get a new review every 3 months to stay in the top 100 listings caters to high volume providers.  I see a select number of gentlemen regularly, form lasting and genuine connections, and simply do not have a new person ready to write me a review that often.  I would have thought this was no big deal but I've had people I see tell me that they found me in the rankings, specifically looking for someone like me and figured the top TER rankings was a good way to find a low volume, high end companion.

With the new changes, it is unlikely that I will be able to remain in the top rankings.  Even if I wanted to perform all of the acts needed to receive a 10, these rarely get requested by the gentlemen that I see.  I have been an escort for over 6 years now, and take pride in my appearance, my professionalism and my authenticity.  I go on long dates with gentlemen who value my time and companionship, not specific sex acts.  TER is setting themselves up to lose the providers and hobbyists who value the people and connections more than the body parts and PSE acts.  If TER wants to exclude GFE providers, and be a PSE only site, that is exactly what they are going to accomplish with this.  I'm not saying those kinds of experiences aren't fun or good to have, but it certainly doesn't describe the entirety of provider/hobby relationships.

CharlotteV I totally agree with you. I haven't had a review in nearly a year so I went from always being in the top ladies, usually ranked between #4-7 to now not being there at all. This is especially disheartening because Orlando doesn't even have 100 ladies, we usually only show about 50 on the list. Many of those ladies have like 5's and yet they are on the list while I always average a 9+ And I am not.  I contribute to the boards and I do ads between 2-4x a month so I am clearly active in the area. It would make more sense for them to say you get dropped from the list if you don't log in and participate at least once a month or something like that. I think this rule could contribute to people posting bogus reviews just to stay on the list. This rule severely affects my business and since we can only advertise once a week it really sucks. Sometimes I want my ad out on a monday so I ended up having to wait like 10 days to change my posting cycle.

I see you have a reviewer that reviewed you first a couple of years ago, gave you a 10-10, and then reviewed you again recently, raved about you, yet the score was a 10-7. I can only imagine that he scored you a 10-10 once again, but the mods reduced the score to a 7 in performance.

Personally I believe there are WAY too many 10's being given out, but for TER to take what I am sure was meant to be a 10 and turn it into a 7 is NOT the solution IMHO

This is a change that takes two activities and makes them the be all do all end all for a rating.

I could name several women on TER that I've personally seen many times and would gladly see again and again that offer neither of those services, yet I'd far rather see them than quite a huge number that do offer them.  

There's no rating for genuiness, or being in the moment.  
There's no rating for those providers who truly love their work.  

If they're willing to provide the services mentioned, they're eligible for a '10' whether or not they're actually the sort of companion one would want to spend time with.  

Please reconsider this change.