: Sports Talk Discussion : Re: So I read an inordinate amount of this War and Peace-length document

GaGambler 1369 reads

posted 10 years ago

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Hey Patriot and Tom Brady haters, suck on this

Well I don't have a link yet, but the Judge just vacated Brady's suspension.

I know there are a LOT of Brady/Patriot haters out there, but personally I like winners. Tough shit haters

sailor66 14 Reviews 688 reads

posted 10 years ago

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Just popped up on espn.com.

The judge made the point that the deflated footballs didn't exactly help Brady in the 1st half. He killed the Colts in the 2nd half with "properly inflated" balls.

followme 565 reads

posted 10 years ago

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I wonder if the NFL will appeal?

Thank you
CoachFollowme
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sailor66 14 Reviews 575 reads

posted 10 years ago

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Common sense would dictate that they just cut their losses and move on.

But no one has ever accused the NFL of always using common sense. Just look at all of the time and money that's been spent on this one issue.

cashorcredit 505 reads

posted 10 years ago

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Haha Tom Brady cleared

Roger goodell tried to abuse his power when he had no evidence. Fuck you Roger goodell you got what you deserved and I hope he gets fired.

SportsAdmin 610 reads

posted 10 years ago

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Roger Goodell always struck me as massively incompetent.

Between the way this was handled, the way Ray Rice was handled and to an extent Adrian Peterson, is there another commissioner of a major sport with a more questionable track record? Gary Bettman?

DUANE 33 Reviews 606 reads

posted 10 years ago

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and also suck on this

The judge could not say he did not do it...but the facts were twisted to make the case the balls were deflated

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DUANE 33 Reviews 537 reads

posted 10 years ago

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the ruling

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DUANE 33 Reviews 559 reads

posted 10 years ago

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Re: Roger Goodell always struck me as massively incompetent.

if you want a good laugh read his questions in the hearing transcripts (which he wanted sealed)

SportsAdmin 616 reads

posted 10 years ago

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Would you happen to have a link?

Posted By: DUANE

if you want a good laugh read his questions in the hearing transcripts (which he wanted sealed)

A laugh is quite necessary right now to be honest!

DUANE 33 Reviews 601 reads

posted 10 years ago

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Re: Would you happen to have a link?

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DUANE 33 Reviews 591 reads

posted 10 years ago

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Re: Common sense would dictate that they just cut their losses and move on.

Agree but I think Goodell is "all in"

followme 514 reads

posted 10 years ago

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Re: Would you happen to have the Cliff-notes version ?

Thank you
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50 = 5

SportsAdmin 540 reads

posted 10 years ago

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Much appreciated. [e]

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DUANE 33 Reviews 586 reads

posted 10 years ago

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Re: Would you happen to have the Cliff-notes version ?

a couple of samples - remember this is the guy who should have thoroughly understood what was going on and what the Wells Report said.

(in the document hit control F to do a search on "Goodell" to find everwhere he is referenced or talks)

1 A. No.
2 Q. Did you in any way suggest to him to do
3 something to the balls to make them less than 12.5?
4 A. No.
5 Q. Did you even suggest to him anything about
6 the pressure whether it was to make it at any level?
7 A. No.
8 Q. What were you talking to Mr. Jastremski about
9 when you were selecting the balls, if you remember;
10 what kinds of factors were you talking about?
11 A. Just the way the ball felt. And this was a
12 different -- can I talk about just, again, was a
13 different process than what we had normally gone
14 through.
15 COMMISSIONER GOODELL: The AFC Championship
16 Game?
17 THE WITNESS: The AFC Championship Game.

1 A. Okay. So along the horizontal axis here is
2 time, minute by minute. And it starts at 2:38. So
3 there is a lot happening with the game before of
4 this focus.
5 Q. 2:38 prior to halftime?
6 A. Right. That's when the balls are being
7 brought off the field and then the locker room
8 period begins at minute 2:40 and it lasts --
9 COMMISSIONER GOODELL: I'm sorry; what was
10 that 2:38 starts when, at the beginning of the game?
11 THE WITNESS: No, that is my understanding of
12 when the balls are being brought off the field into
13 the locker room.
14 COMMISSIONER GOODELL: What happens from zero
15 to 2:37, I guess is a better --
16 THE WITNESS: First half is playing.
17 COMMISSIONER GOODELL: Zero is the start of
18 game?
19 THE WITNESS: Yes, or some pre-game activity,
20 yes. That's a good question. It may be when th

JackDunphy 631 reads

posted 10 years ago

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Dont confuse a vacated decision with a non guilty verdict.

Goodell is a TOTAL ass and incompetent boob, but that has nothing to do with Brady's and the Pats guilt here. They are two totally separate issues.

The judge ruled that the NFL wasn't treating like employees the same and that the Wells investigation wasn't independent. All true, so his decision was certainly arguably valid.

There is zero doubt in my mind the Pats, with Brady's knowledge, cheated. Zero. Now, how big of an infraction this ever was is debatable but I don't think in the grand scheme this is all that important.

That being said, the NFL is absurd for fighting this one more day. To appeal this decision is asinine and I can only believe the overwhelming majority of owners are in favor of this action.

But I do think after this season, Goodell is a goner. He has caused very wealthy people too much embarrassment and that never lasts long, imo. lol

JackDunphy 548 reads

posted 10 years ago

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They already did. LOL...e

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jhonny8770 40 Reviews 589 reads

posted 10 years ago

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So you discount all the beration the judge continually ripped Pash/NFL for regarding Brady's guilt?

He continually hammered Pash/NFL in the first 2 hearings regarding Wells/their "reach" of his guilt in open court regarding their investigative knowledge/skills and you discount this completely?!?
You: "There is zero doubt in my mind the Pats, with Brady's knowledge, cheated. Zero."

...................and you called me 'Stepford'?!?

I just re-read your posts in the previous Brady thread.
Plainly and simply, you're just another blind/deaf hater.
Much like the Indy writer who recently wrote/called Brady "the greatest cheater in the history of sports!"
You/your ilk are the reason this ridiculous farce/witch-hunt rose to the level of idiocy based on little other than you are continually out-played and out-coached.

From day 1, TB said "I did nothing; I'm not guilty".
A completely rigged/stacked deck case in a NYC, NFL hand-picked, labor unfriendly court just RIPPED the NFL a new chocolate cheerio on every point Kessler mentioned in his brief!
What do you think is going to happen when their 'facts' in finding TB guilty of a 'scheme', as you/other haters still believe, are looked at in an open court environment?
What will you base your 'they're guilty' mindset on after that beating?

smh

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SportsAdmin 550 reads

posted 10 years ago

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So I read an inordinate amount of this War and Peace-length document

...And I preface this by saying I have no dog in this fight on either side, but it certainly seems like there are far too many holes in the investigation to warrant any punishment of Brady, never mind four games. But hey, I'm neither a lawyer nor a representative of the NFL, so what do I know? I just run competitions on TER

JackDunphy 597 reads

posted 10 years ago

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I dont hate Brady at all.

In fact, and I said this to Duane, I think Brady is no worse than the #2 QB of ALL time, behind only Montana. And when Belichek is done, he may go down as the second best coach of all time, behind Lombardi.

Does that sound like a hater to you?

I can acknowledge greatness and still think someone cheated.

To me, looking at all the evidence, there is no doubt in my mind the Pats/Brady cheated. Being repeat offenders, they also do not get the benefit of the doubt.

Kraft accepting the LARGEST penalty in the HISTORY of pro football, while Belicheck has NEVER taken Brady's back on this issue publicly, is incredibly damming.

Yes, it was circumstantial evidence, with an investigation that was full of wholes run by idiots. Stipulated.

If this was ONLY a court of law, I would find for Brady. But we have the ability to look beyond the legal requirements and apply our common sense.

That sense tells me the Pats cheated and that Brady has to have known that. Factor in how guilty he and the Pats acted afterwards and that's all I really need.

You can ignore ALL that if you wish, as is your right.

jhonny8770 40 Reviews 565 reads

posted 10 years ago

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Got it; ignore 'ALL' the facts......................

......your (spider) sense tells you you're smarter than everyone else including a federal judge (and actual facts).
Just another couple quick 'facts' for you to pay no attention to:
ALL teams are repeat offenders and TB has '0' history of offenses (illegal sideline filming of '07 was not TB12).
The rest of your 'ALL' is just back-tracking, meaningless, non-fact based hearsay.

JackDunphy 600 reads

posted 10 years ago

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"Ignore the facts?" How did you get that from any of my posts?

I said I would find for Brady in this case due to the botched NFL investigation and the fact that the NFL treats "like" players differently and yet that is "fact ignoring" to you? Really?

Pat fans cant be objective about this case. I get that and I understand it.

Its just like the mom on local TV that says her son couldn't have been the one who murdered someone down the block as you/her are too emotionally involved to see straight.

If you REALLY think Brady and the Pats organization did NOTHING wrong here, than you are completely delusional and no need to keep going back and forth

DUANE 33 Reviews 595 reads

posted 10 years ago

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My Wish

It will never happen but my wish would be for a new hearing in front of an impartial arbitrator with a brain, in which all witnesses could be cross examined and all of the cooked up Exponent conclusions conclusions tested. I am confident that the conclusion of such would be "we have no idea if anything happened to the balls".

To my knowledge nobody on the Patriots has been proven to be lying in this mess, tho the fat guy changed his story slightly several times on what he did on the way to the field.

The NFL has been proven to have released deliberate untruths on this matter, and failed to correct them when requested.

The Exponent analysis has been found to be faulty, and no response or reaction from them when they were advised of such.

This was brought up in front of Goodell but he is either too stupid or too biased to see what it meant.

DUANE 33 Reviews 541 reads

posted 10 years ago

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My wish

it will never happen but i wish there would be a whole new hearing with an impartial, intelligent arbitrator, in which all witnesses, including League officials would testify, and the Exponent analysis validity explored.

I am confident the result of which would be "we have no idea if anything was done to the balls"

The league has been proven to have released, and not corrected false data and testimony.

noone on the Patriots has been proven to be untruthful except for the fat guy changing his story on his trip to the field.

the Exponent analysis has been shown to be flawed.

Goodell is not smart enough, or too biased to see this.

DUANE 33 Reviews 567 reads

posted 10 years ago

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Re: So I read an inordinate amount of this War and Peace-length document

and there are additional holes not brought up in that hearing.

DUANE 33 Reviews 544 reads

posted 10 years ago

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Re: "Ignore the facts?" How did you get that from any of my posts?

As you know I don't agree, and you do fail to mention the outright lies leaked by the League about the ball pressure and Brady's testimony, which were not corrected even when requested of the NFL counsel. And you seem to fail to consider the ramifications and/or intent of the errors in the Exponent Report which were critical to their conclusion that more likely than not there was manual deflation of the balls.

DUANE 33 Reviews 525 reads

posted 10 years ago

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Another Fact you should consider

This was posed as a response to the ClimateAudit piece.

Everyone should be looking at the intercepted ball, this ball was measured on the field and therefore in complete temperature equilibrium. It was measured by the Colts but I do not think they wanted to make a case that the balls were not tampered with, but that is exactly what they did.

This ball was measured 3 times at an average of 11.53 PSI. The Wells report states that if the locker room was at 70 - 72 and the outside temperature was at 48, than the Pats balls should have lost 1.13 PSI under those conditions. Doing basic math that ball came onto the field at 12.63 PSI. Tthe intercepted ball was clearly not tampered with and yet Exponent was told to throw it out of the equation because the Colts measured it, or was it because it was another piece of the puzzle that favored the Pats story?

GaGambler 541 reads

posted 10 years ago

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What else has Brady ever been accused of?

The Pats prior transgressions have nothing to do with the four game suspension of Brady.

The NFL fucked this one up, AGAIN. I never thought Brady would ever miss a game over this, I am glad he chose to fight.

smallsteps 4 Reviews 550 reads

posted 10 years ago

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Goodell should have realized...

That an NFL game is NOT decided by the "the amount of air in the ball". I'ts decided by the will of the men on the field. To indicate otherwise is an insult to Vince Lombardi. Keep the damn lawyers and commish out of it.

DUANE 33 Reviews 540 reads

posted 10 years ago

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Re: Goodell should have realized...

Excellent article on this fiasco

"Only they didn’t. No one in the league immediately knew anything about the Ideal Gas Law, which allows for even wild pressure fluctuations based on extreme condition changes, such as temperature.

Compared against what Wells’ own science experts determined should be the allowable, conditions-adjusted pressure level range at halftime in that refs locker room (11.32 to 11.52 PSI), the Patriots' balls -- as measured by one of the two gauges employed -- were all within, or even above, that range.

On the other gauge, three of 11 Pats balls fell within, or above, that range. Of the other eight balls, six were less than one-half of one PSI deficient.

The NFL doesn’t want you to know this. That’s the equivalent of about one manual hand-pump’s worth of air. If that."

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clang22 18 Reviews 649 reads

posted 10 years ago

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Goodell is a MORON

He is paid $44 million dollars to keep the focus on the game. He turned this into a power trip and tried to take the Brady, face of the NFL out of the game for the SEASON OPENER. Too funny!

DUANE 33 Reviews 506 reads

posted 10 years ago

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Re: Goodell is a MORON

some genius in the NFL decided this was right

but they included Carson Palmer lol

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DUANE 33 Reviews 544 reads

posted 10 years ago

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The NFL's PR Machine continues to operate

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