Both Ortiz and Manny Ramirez have been outed as being on the list of 104 MLB players who tested positive for Performance Enhancement Drugs in 2003...

We should also look to change Boston's nickname to:  "Rhoid Sox"...(see link to article)

Remember when Ortiz was with the Twins?  Look at the stats - note 2003 was his first in Boston

Nothing that comes off that list surprises me anymore. The list is supposed to be "sealed," but someone keeps leaking names off of it. I wish they would just go ahead and release the rest of the names and be done with it.

suggested it.  His name deserves to be dragged in the mud along with the rest of them.

by himself when it was obvious that there were many more names on that list.  If one name is released, they should ALL be released, and let the chips fall as they may.  What's going to be interesting is what happens at HOF voting time.  I don't think Ortiz would have made it anyway, but Manny and A-Rod certainly would have.

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The real kicker on this is that 6 years or so ago, Ortiz was calling for a 1-year ban on steroids users. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

just looking at the stats tells the story, but it's even worse when you do a little analysis:

6 seasons 1997-2002 (granted, a couple were mere cups of coffee in the bigs):
.267 BA, 58 dings in 1477 AB (1 homer every 25.5 AB)

Tests positive in 2003

5 seasons 2003-2007 (leaving off last year & this due to injuries, slump, and tighter testing)
.302 BA, 208 dings in 2738 AB (1 homer every 13.2 AB)

He says he's going to get to the bottom of this!

Yeah, you do that, David

Ortiz went from ordinary to superstar overnight, as soon as he joined the Sox.  Now we know why.  His stats have fallen off the past couple of seasons, so maybe he quit while his name was still clean.  As for Manny, it will be interesting to see if his stats fall off now that he's served his suspension after getting caught.  He tore up the NL in the second half of last year (at 37? 38?), just as Barry Juicehead had a few years ago at an age when most athletes are in decline. Juice, anyone?

As for releasing all the names, I would bet there are so many big names there that it would make a farce out of all the big numbers posted in the past decade, if not the game itself.

... when he implies that there is a current HOF member who has taken steroids.  He is very right in saying that MLB would have a pretty big problem on their hands.

Personalities not withstanding, his revelations have all been quite accurate; so, as always, time will tell.

I would not be surprised!

... but let's project that the HOF indeed determines and rules that confirmed PED use is a cause for ineligibility.

It would seem that this detemination should be in place fairly quickly, as players from the so called "steriod era" will continue to become eligible for HOF status at an increasing rate in the very near future.

One question I have: what is the exact relationship between MLB and HOF?  Does MLB look at certain players once they have retired and say, "not our concern any more; let the court of public opinion and the HOF worry about it"?