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Baseball HOF selections
hiddenhills 143 Reviews 617 reads
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Tim Rains, Pudge Rodriguez and Jeff Bagwell. Hard work and playing by the rules can get you to the HOF. The drug offenders are still on the outside looking in.

ShakingtheSheets 189 Reviews 279 reads
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Baseball HOF voting is no longer based on career statistics. It's now based on every individual writers perception of how they want to evaluate the "steroid era".  Take Barry Bonds.  Some writers will never vote for him because he was a highly suspected PED user. Some writers will vote for him because they ignore the steroid issue and the all users completely. Some writers will vote for him because, although he was suspected, he never failed a drug test. Some writers will vote for him because they feel he was a HOF (see skinny kid in Pittsburgh) before his alleged PED use. Same scenario for a guy like Clemens and a handful of others.  

Whenever you allow voters to vote based on their own beliefs/opinions and not on the pure statistics (because the statistics of Bonds and Clemens say they are immortals in the history of the game), the process and flawed and undermined.  

Those players who avoided PED speculation (Griffey) sail in. Others like Piazza and Bagwell, where there were speculation (though no hard core evidence) of PED use had to wait. Unless a player fails a drug test (Palmerio) is suspended for PED use (A-Rod) or so obviously built his entire career on steroids (Big Mac and Sosa---though in fairness, neither of those two failed a drug test, so who really knows),  the rest of the determinations are just based on a particular writers personal belief of who cheated and who didn't.  And that is just wrong.

wolverine3647 66 Reviews 277 reads
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3 / 8

Ivan "Pudge" was called out by his ex-teammate Jose Conseco, and was also suspected of use, especially after losing 30 pounds right when MLB was going to start testing/punishing (~2005 I believe) players for PED use, yet he still made it in his first year of eligibility.  

Wherever humans are involved in a selection process, subjectivity will always enter into the equation, subsequently any such selection process will always be flawed.

wolverine3647 66 Reviews 317 reads
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4 / 8

Trevor Hoffman and Vladimir Guerrero would have also made it.  Maybe Edgar Martinez will make it next year (which I believe is his last year of eligibility).

SportsAdmin 291 reads
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5 / 8

There are numerous park-adjusted and historically-adjusted advanced statistics out there - google is your friend, friend. No one is seriously comparing Old Hoss Radbourne to Justin Verlander on raw numbers alone. Tim Raines is now a HoFer largely because of them (and Jonah Keri).

sdottaylor 19 Reviews 266 reads
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6 / 8

the identity of the 1 voter who voted for Tim Wakefield and what his reasoning was.

mookie58 18 Reviews 258 reads
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7 / 8

That in his prime, any time Bonds came to the plate in a situation with men on base or the game on the line, he was the only player who ever made me say, "Uh oh." Dude was absolutely scary with a bat in his hands.

BluesGuitarMan 234 reads
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8 / 8

MLB & the sports media sure did enjoy all the $$$ benefits from the "drug offenders" when they were jacking up the home run numbers. And now they want to play saintly judge and jury?

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