While the local boards are most commonly used for the 'locals', they are viewed by MANY others as a means of getting to know our Finest City, and in making plans to travel here.
What impression does the board content show them about us??
Gentleman use our boards when their business brings them here for conventions; and ladies want to tour here to take in the beautiful weather and sights and to see YOU!
It is entirely up to US what impression we want to leave and I say we show a LOT more hospitality, and much more comeraderie and a sense of real community. (Just peek in on the Phoenix boards from time to time to see how it's done!).
There is no need to slam the visiting girls by ragging on her looks, or her rates or anything else! Remember what Mama taught you? "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all??" How about we simply post something welcoming and encouraging, and say no more. If you just CAN'T keep quiet and you have to complain about something, then do it in an email or PM.
Remember, visitors are our GUESTS. We want to encourage tourism and commerce. We ladies want the out of town gents to feel safe, and welcomed. And for the touring ladies, we want to show off YOU!
It's not only good BUSINESS, it's good MANNERS.
well after chewing and digesting your post, this forum is basically a frank and candid discussion of the local scene..and since you made the food referance..the provider reviews are more of a review of the particular meal, while the overall aspect of the resturant experince is discussed here..the facts are discussed..some facts good, some facts bad, some indifferent..but to sugar coat the facts, or edit/censor them to make them more palatteable..is a disservice to the board as we are here to disseminate the good from the bad..the restuarant buisness is afterall a free market system...if the food is bad, the location horrible, the ambience that of a morgue, word gets around and you the particular establishment looses buisness, no somebody from out of town that wants to open a resturant here does a little research..they will see us a critical, maybe...discerning diners, most definitly..and will themselves realize that if they want to open a resturant in this town, they must provide good service, good ambience, good location, good prices, and excellent food..or they WILL go out of buisness..if we sugar coat and censor/edit our conversations as you suggest..then uncle squiggy's dinner, with the rude waitress's, rock hard bench seats,cockroaches in the kitchen, obnoxious neon lighting, and horrible food will give us all food poisoning because we knew no better.. I for one, being one who likes to dine out..want to know when you head out for a juicy steak, with candlelight and a delightfull red wine, wind up with a burnt burger, cold fries, and a flat coke!!! because I do not want to go there and/or dine on such a meal..all in favor please bang your knives and forks on the table!!
I agree with what you're saying, but I think there is a big difference between "sugar coat and censor/edit" and just being mean and rude. The point can be made while still exhibiting a gentlemanly attitude. But then again, what the hell do I know? Sedagive.
I actually made no reference to food, but of hospitality, which is to imply that if SD were our 'home' and visitors were truly our house guests, we would offer up the kindest of service and make them feel welcome.
Visiting providers simply announce their arrival. If they get little or no response, they will take notice, and come to their own conclusion, or make their own inquiries. It is not our place to rub their noses down. OUR place is to be welcoming, and friendly.
Keep your expectations, comments, etc. for PM's, emails, and reviews, but it's high time for us to treat our visiting ladies and gentlemen with the same courtesy and respect we want shown to us.
When one has the DESIRE, it's ALWAYS win-win.
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I couldn't agree more! A few of the regular members of this group never seem to have anything nice to say about anyone. It get's old, and if I was visiting town it would sure be a turn off for me. We have enough LE problems in this town as it is, let's not add bad manners and rudeness to the list.
as most of my clients are from out of town (or state), when they ask me what the HELL is the problem with San Diego???? and have their comments about the boards, the 'atmoshpere', the rudeness, etc. and how we treat visiting Providers! It's a real embarrassment!
No matter what, we want to be very welcoming, and be very friendly. If the visiting providers don't interest the local men, they will find out ON THEIR OWN - we don't, as one suggests in this thread, need to have it in their face!
We do need to be more Hobby-Community oriented, as ESPECIALLY since we are such a popular place to visit!
You know what it's like to ask a lady for a reference, and she sees 'san diego' in my 'name' and tells me sorry, basically f**k you for your reference because of the way I was treated on your boards when I visited you??! That's crap.
No. We're cool, we're helpful, friendly and accomadating, and we can creatively communicate whatever ELSE 'has' to be communicated in an appropriate, timely, manner (which often times may mean NOT AT ALL!).
Well said Sedonna!! We have a few turkeys on this board whom seem to feel that all it's for is to complain and trash other people, hobbyists and providers alike. I've gotten to the point where I won't even read posts by certain people at all because they're so obnoxious.
Keep it up girl - I 'm right beside you all the way!! (wish I were physically as well)
I don't think that this little local board will make any difference in tourism dollars.
I do agree that picking on ladies who announce that they are traveling to SD is small minded. However, I don't necessarily think it is wrong to pick on guys who post on a board like this inquiring about who they should see. How the hell are we supposed to know who they would like!?
I travel all over the country and always do my homework as to who I may see in any particular city. I don't expect anybody to make choices for me or guide me in any way. I have my preferences so I do my own research based on those preferences. Also, the interaction between any man and woman is definitely "YMMV". I don't expect to have a carbon copy session of any reviews I read. I look at reviews to get a baseline of a lady and see where things might go from there.
By doing my own research I have at least a 99.9% track record of meeting ladies that would rate anywhere from 7-10 in both looks and performance. It's not rocket science!
and an attractive quality - one who is perfectly able and capable, and not co-dependent; your confidence shows.
It's one thing about Nautius I like - him not giving in to the laziness of those inquiring; yet willing to guide them if they honestly do have no clue how to help themselves. "Give a fish; teach to fish.."
I take an interest in 'posters'. Read their posts, read their reviews, get a 'feel' for them. It amazes me how often I am right on. I can tell just by how someone posts whether they are ones who 'do their homework' and select carefully; therefore have good reviews (they wouldn't HAVE a bad one if they've done their homework, right?) versus those who have ladies and review scores all over the map. Where's the forethought and consistency?? There isn't any because...
Anyway, good point, and precisely..
It seems that there are two categories where the flames are warranted-one is when the original poster either doesn't do at least the minimum amount of research on his own, or is trying to skate around ponying up for a VIP membership. Such as "need a recommendation for the best best BBBJ, preferably a brunette", that information is easily available with a VIP search.
Secondly, there is no doubt that this board is compromised, to some degree, by LE. Repeatedly there are posts from someone with no reviews asking specific questions about providers. It would be irresponsible and dangerous to answer any of these types of questions-flame away. Consider it a learning experience if it's in fact a legitimate poster.
That being said, the situation where a visiting provider is announcing a visit and posts a link to her website, but then gets hammered because of rates, performance, whatever, is just plain mean spirited. It's always a case of YMMV, and if you don't see the value in the "product" then ignore it. It's a great example of a free market system. Restraint should be used unless there's some evidence of false advertising.
I dont think it is ever appropriate to flame anyone. In the first case you indicated, I think it would be better to point the person to the appropriate search tool. One simple response from one reader will suffice.
In the case of suspected LE posts, just indicate your
suspicion (afterall, you only THINK they are LE, you DONT
know for sure). This should alert other to temper their response. If it turns out the person was just a clueless newbie, then no harm done.
I wish the moderator would clamp down on some of the silly flame throwning going on at times. And no, I dont believe in censoring the content of the messages, just the method of delivery. I dont know if there is a way for the moderator to delay posting a message until the auther modifies it (similar to the way reviews are posted).
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...this business of flaming every prospective visiting provider has gotten way out of hand. Out-of-town providers who read this board are probably left with the impression that SD hobbiests are a bunch of flaming assholes. I for one would like to believe we are not quite that bad. Hobbiests should keep in mind that even if a certain lady doesn't appeal to you, your mean-spirited comments will discourage ALL providers who read this board from coming here, especially the good ones.
I love to brag about y'all....