Damn this is so sad. This is supposed to be about pleasure and fun. The amount of dysfunction that surrounds this hobby is such a buzz kill that I couldn't get my groove on after reading this thread if I had Brad Pitt and angelina jolie standing naked in front of me begging to be my devoted sex slaves. If you feel the need to bitch about providers and rates then you are concentrating too much on the negative and not enough on the positive. I really enjoy the company of many men that are not my physical ideal because I concentrate on their positive aspects...no it isn't the money either. I like money but it does not cause a physiological response in my holiest of holies. Hobbying is not a right it is a priveledge and if you can't afford someones rates then find someone that you can. If she is not your physical Ideal then all I can say is find something that you like about her and make the best of it. It is amazing what an attitude adjustment can do for a persons enjoyment. Cause I got news for ness and those who agree with him, life is short and you are not getting that time back. Enjoy it, it can be good, even great if you concentrate on positives things instead of the fact that your $200/hr escort is not a super model.
First, I'd like to start off by saying that I respect a provider's choice to set their own rates, at whatever they want.
Given that, I just got off the phone with a visiting provider with "average" or good reviews on TER who offered $$$ 1/2 for one hour incall and $$$$ 1/2 for one hour outcall. Second hour at the same rate as the first. I don't understand it when multiple hour sessions are at the first hour rate.
Just from my recent conversations with providers, mostly visiting, the going San Diego rate is $200+ to $300+ (plus tips, of course) for the first hour with multiple hours at less than the first. Of course, one would expect women with higher TER ratings to charge at the higher end, or more, and maybe less for not so stellar reviews.
Last week, a visiting provider, with "average" or good reviews listed $$$$ for one hour, then $$$ 1/2 per hour on different web sites. Then on TER someone posted a message stating the rate was $$ 1/2 for this provider, or more in-line with the current market.
Lastly, I read a message on another board that Tijuana providers with good feedback, but not advertised on any San Diego websites (yet) have recently raised their rates to $ per hour, the trend obviously going up, not down.
Any comments? Do visiting providers find that the San Diego market is $$$ 1/2 to $$$$ 1/2+ per hour right now?
You are dead on right... the service is NOT getting better. Average looking women are getting ridiculous in their charges (I do not mind paying theserates for the hot babe you see in the pic - if they were legit pics), reaching such heights that make it almost affordable to take a trip to eastern europe or with Viking Criuses.....
I would say that San Diego has maintained the same price structure but the selection and service have improved a lot.
At the high end, we still have Anna, who is without doubt the best we have at $$$1/2, and at the opposite end of the price range is Tania, one of the TJ internet chicas, who is still charging only $1/2.
The market rate in TJ for chicas that do not advertise on the internet has not been raised to $. You would still receive enough change back from $ for you to be able to buy your drinks all night and take a cab to and from the border.
At the extreme top are combos like Mara and Anna together for &&&&&&&, but they will drain your testicles bone dry and ask you for more.
The competition of the TJ internet chicas has had a positive effect on this hobby in San Diego. Today on this side of the border, for $$, you have a very large number of lookers to choose from who provide great service. Multiple pops are becoming much more frequently found and "best GFE" now touted by a quite a few providers.
Just my personal opinion (based on experience, not something I read on another board).
There are a number of providers for 200-250 range that provide GFE. You just have look a little harder. But you can also have a very good looking Mexicana, Cubana or Brasileira in TJ for 50 USD.
With all due respect to those who enjoy Anna/Mara (and the ladies themselves) and their excellent services, I must beg to differ with you in regard to their rates.
My criteria applies to the lady's looks just as much as her performance/experience.
I find that despite the fact that their is service is top notch, both of their looks are quite average. I can easily meet a girl like them in any hispanic club downtown - at least as decent looking - without paying so much. I do not think Anna/Mara should be charging any more than $.5 or $$ at the very highest. Neither one of them are 'lookers', just 'average.'
The local provider market is quite parallel to the local housing market,.... overpriced for what you get.
notices that you think nearly EVERYONE is 1) fat and 2) overpriced. Your standards are SO high, ness, only supermodels can meet them. I wonder what YOU look like? Are you perfect too?
You think Anna and Mara are only worth $150! $150!!! People drop that amount in strip clubs all the time and just a simple massage sans handjob cost $60 but you think Anna (who is HOT) should only charge a few twenties more for the wide variety of excellent intimate services she offers??? You are something else.
Plus there is no proof, he's ever seen Mara or Anna, so what makes him an expert on them. None of the Providers he's reviewed rate more than 8, so either he's more conserned about price than service, or the higher priced girls won't give him the time of day...A wise choice on their part, since I'm not sure even they could please this guy...IMHO
If I'm paying, my looks do NOT count... This is the WHOLE point of paying a provider, so that you can have an experience with a woman whom otherwise would not give you the time of day. You guys forget what this is all about.
Having said that, I can pick up any girl that looks like 99% of the providers in this town without problems. So, when I am looking for a woman that I am willing to pay for, she has to be something I would have a real tough time luring without the money... get it?
I have seen but maybe two providers in this town that are real lookers, but unfortunately their services were very poor to say the least.
Take a look at the ad for a "saexysara"... and I am sure she would do extremely well in this town... if her pics are real.
Lastly, you guys going for average women only empowers these woman to distort the why we are in this in the first place. You have to remember YOU are the one paying, NOT them.
You said:
This is the WHOLE point of paying a provider,
so that you can have an experience with a woman
whom otherwise would not give you the time of day.
You guys forget what this is all about.
Wow, is THAT the whole point for all men who hire escorts - worldwide? I thought men sought out escorts for MANY reasons. Companionship, quality sex, to seek out certain acts they can't get at home or don't feel comfortable asking for, for variety, for someone they have no ties to who will not make demands on them, because they are lonely, because they are horny, because they want someone who will act professionally )and unlike a civilian relationship not get pregnant, want to get married, etc.)
Ness, I'm so glad you're here to guide us. Listen up, guys. The only reason you are allowed to hire escorts is it is someone so smoking hot you would never have a chance of getting her without the money. At least that's what Ness says.
....this is not the first time. I suspect it will not be the last.
You just could not resist putting both feet in your mouth by insulted the top provider in our area of the world. And then to state how studly you are only makes you that much less credible.
I stopped reading your posts a long time ago.
ROTFLMAO..you go girl. Ness you are an Idiot. Your standards and views are yours. Another guy who thinks his opinions are universal or at least should be cause he is sooo fucking smart. Whatever ness quit your bitchin and deal with it.
It may not be popular with the majority of posters, but I agree with Ness. If one wants to spend quality time with a lady, go to yahoo personals, or match.com. There are plenty of woman there that you can have companionship with. If I have to pay $3-400 hr, I would prefer that the woman be someone who is unatainable to me on a daily basis. We all know how the real world works. There are plenty of very pretty woman who won't give some of us the time of day. That includes even eye contact, so I can give a smile or perhaps a hello. Those are the type of woman that I'm willing to pay high end $$$$/hr for. By overpaying for just average looks it really does distort the prices, & reduces the amount of times I/we can hobby. Now I have the right to not see them, & I exercise that right often. But still the prices are being driven up cuz all the ladies see other providers charging $$$ and think that is the market rate, thus making it the market rate..
Props to Ness for having the courage to stand up & speak the truth, even when it isn't viewed as popular.
Funtime
- you say that Ness had the courage to 'stand up and speak the truth', and that's where you are in error. He had the courage to speak his OPINION, and he certainly may. It doesn't make it truth. It's everyone's perception..
It's all about shopping, folks. Look for what you want, and a price you want to pay, and go there. Plain and simple. If you're willing to pay this much, but then expect this in return, then GO GET IT! You have the world at your fingertips.
And look at this way, you Hobbyists can pick and choose - see what they look like, what they offer, their rates, their reviews, you can PM other Hobbyists who've visited with her...wow, such a luxury. Can the Provider's say the same? Not at all. We might have a reference from another Provider which usually is only a Yes, or a No (Yes, I've seen him; yes I'd see him again, or no to the same). Providers don't share usually more than that with another provider. And what about the risks involved with this person we know very little about? There's the obvious LE risk, the health risk (std, pregnancy, etc.) and personal safety risk (would he harm you?). And those are just the basic, major risks involved. Each risk is worth at least $100 in general, wouldn't you think? And then there's the expenses: doctor bills, lingerie, the beauty salon, dress for the occasion, advertising, or website costs, extra phone lines, computer lines, additional cell phones, and how about the time in screening, emailing..
OK, guys, if you were a Provider, what would your rates be?! Oh, but then how do you look???
Search for what you want, and go get it and quityerbitchin' and moanin'.
Sedona
Hey Sedona, I didn't call you out, why vent on me. I just was agreeing. And if this business is so rough, and demanding, GET THE HELL OUT!!! Your in it for the $$, or your sexual addiction.
I do search for what I want, I havn't called you have I? NO because your not what I want.
About the information sharing, who knows what goes on at the nuaghty escort site. We hobbyists can't read what you providers write, or say about us. At least here you can get a sense of how we feel.
As far as risks go, us hobbyists also share in the LE risk. We also can get sick, and pay for doctor bills.( I speak from personal experience) We also have phone lines and cable modems for our computers.
I have seen plenty of providers, & about half of them don't look like they came straight from the salon, hell most of them don't. Do you really go to the salon before meeting each client?
I will agree with you about Ness & I, I should have used the word opinion in place of truth. My bad.
Finally, what else can you do that you can make 3-$400 hr?? If you were qualified in another field that paid like that, you would most likely being doing that instead. (of course that is just my opinion). I should not be the one driving out providers from this business, but if it's so darn tough doing what you do; screening, primping, buying lingerie, dressing for the occasion, pleasing guys, having them to please you, do something else!! Get a real job like us paying hobbyists do. Do the 8-5 thing. Sit in traffic. I'm sure you've done that like the rest of us, & realized it isn't fun. And it doesn't pay all that great either, thats why (my opinion) you dabble in this line of work. Even when it's slow , say 3-4 customers a week, it couldn't be all that bad lounging around in your spare time.
Please don't call me out again, because I happened to show some backbone by agreeing with Ness. Just because he & I went against the grain and spoke up. We don't know each other, havn't PM'd each other. Were just 2 guys who happen to agree about something.
By the way I also wasn't bitching, or moaning, in my previous post.I thought it was well written and polite at that. The need for you to lash out at me, makes me think as if you were feeling a little guilt, about price gouging during these tough economic times. Or perhaps you think you should be charging more.
Wow.
I PM'd Funtime a response to his post but thought it important to post something here. I can see why he got angry. I meant for my opening sentence to go directly to him, as I was commenting on his quote; the balance of my post was meant mostly for Ness, and for the general moaners and complainers. I can see how he could have taken my post the way he did, so just want to clarify that.
Still, I had to laugh because his post was so off base in relation to me (but, he wouldn't know that)that it actually struck me funny except that I felt it was also pretty mean. I might get ticked, and I might want to make sure and make a point, but I don't get mean. I'm just not a mean person.
Hope we're clear..
Sedona
Ness? The guy who always pipes in that girls are too expensive (if they're over $200/hr), too old (if they've passed 25) and too fat (if they're over a size 4)? He says this about nearly EVERYONE. In fact, the only women I've heard him hold up as ideal are a few bony young blondes. No evidence of other desirable personality traits but apparently those aren't relevant. So that's all he needs. Is that all you need? I know your standards aren't as high as Ness because I've seen you and you seemed quite content with me and I'm definitely not perfect.
As far as match.com or yahoo, I think you and I both know there are damn few non-professional women advertising there who are attractive, good in bed, free of psycho behavior and baggage and willing at the drop of a hat to have hot animal sex swapping every body fluid possible, FOR FREE, using all available orifices with a complete stranger doing the types of things most men can't get from anyone else (like anal, swallowing, fetishes, etc) with no criteria of what they expect from YOU expecting nothing in return with no guarantee they will never see or talk to them again (whew, how's that for a run-on sentence?!). I think THAT is why *most* men hire escorts - to get those things and if they're lucky perhaps a good personality, intelligence and good companionship thrown in as well. I don't think most men expect perfection. At least I hope not.
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Hello Carp, I'm not sure who you are as I have given my TER handle out to at least 7 different providers. ( It seems everyone wants that now). But I'm sure you would admit that I was a nice person, easy going, i probably brought you a rose also. I do know that I have never asked a provider to swallow, or for anal.
The match.com, and the yAHOO thing were not meant to make people believe that they would find someone who would provide them with those aformentioned requests. Simply that they could find plenty of people to talk with, or to find companionship with. In an earlier post someone mentioned that we see providers for those reasons. I disagreed. I see them for "other" reasons. Yes some I do actually look forward to seeing for legit reasons as I have shared wine or smoke with them, but it is pretty clear that we have a "business" relationship first and formost, as I do pay them for their time.
Damn this is so sad. This is supposed to be about pleasure and fun. The amount of dysfunction that surrounds this hobby is such a buzz kill that I couldn't get my groove on after reading this thread if I had Brad Pitt and angelina jolie standing naked in front of me begging to be my devoted sex slaves. If you feel the need to bitch about providers and rates then you are concentrating too much on the negative and not enough on the positive. I really enjoy the company of many men that are not my physical ideal because I concentrate on their positive aspects...no it isn't the money either. I like money but it does not cause a physiological response in my holiest of holies. Hobbying is not a right it is a priveledge and if you can't afford someones rates then find someone that you can. If she is not your physical Ideal then all I can say is find something that you like about her and make the best of it. It is amazing what an attitude adjustment can do for a persons enjoyment. Cause I got news for ness and those who agree with him, life is short and you are not getting that time back. Enjoy it, it can be good, even great if you concentrate on positives things instead of the fact that your $200/hr escort is not a super model.
This last few months, aside from my regulars, most of my clients have cum from San Diego, My prices have stayed consistant from Aug. 2002. 2/3 of my clientel pay me more than what I ask. Now, I'm not Barbie, I'm not under 30 and I'm not a Porn Star..But I do deliver a unique experience for my clients. Plus, while the majority of Providers, went through some lean days from the Holidays to now, causing many to leave the area to "Tour", my business has if anything, gotten stronger. So tell me, if, as you two say, most Hobbyists are looking for the Super Model, why would I be successful..??? Doesn't hold water, my friends.
Once you get a taste of Eastern Europe or South America, you will be less interested in hobbying here. You get to be with hotter, younger girls who provide better service for a lot less. Save your money and try abroad. Then you will truly know how overpriced our markets are. I hobby here only to tide me over until my next trip abroad.
I've been saying this for a long time. I would never say that eastern euro women are better looking than US women, but I would absolutely say that eastern euro providers blow away the SD ladies... hands down. In fact, western euro providers blow away SD providers easily too, and are much better priced as well.
Note To Ness from Moderator:
I have edited this message and will continue to approve your messages as I see fit.
You have established a reputation for yourself here and on other boards.
You don't care for the San Diego providers, that's clear. Your posts tend to be antagonistic and you seem to thrive on the conflict. This, I will not allow.
Since you feel the quality of San Diego providers is below your standards, please refrain from posting on the San Diego message board.
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I applaude your decision and admonishment to Ness.
Personally I have typically had to refrain from getting into it with him. This time I could not hold back for some reason.
This morning I just happen to hit the screen for searching by reviewer and I typed in NESS to see his reviews.
Amazingly I observed that most of his early reviews do not meet with the current standards and not only that, they are duplications of each other. Same words different day, sometimes exactly the same paragraphs. I did not go so far as to see if he blended his ratings in with the averages for the girls reviewed but he almost always said the same things.
It makes me wonder if his handle selection is relevant to his occupation, which I originally questions but stopped worrying about long ago.
It takes all kinds of people to make up the world, but only a few to turn the barrel of apples into a rotten place to be in.
I can feel the improvement already in our little nook of the world.
THANKS!
Ness! I am known for my good tastes in women and believe me, be wise, give her whatever she wants and be nice about it and your every expection will be indulged. Of course you should already know this.
My...what an interesting thread. I wonder how come I don't see the Ladies' comments? Perhaps they feel it would be like casting pearls...
But, I, on the other hand, have comments. First, a Ladies' rates should have nothing to do with looks, and yet, conversely, it certainly could as far as (really) HIGH rates, ie true model types who charge $800 per hour, etc. I have had many a discussion about rates, and have argued plenty about them, ie, when I increased mine the first of the year. I can set them at whatever I want as can anyone. Rates are NOT and should not be a reflection of what the Provider thinks of in terms of her worth. If that were the case, then who can put a price? If she's 'plain' or is heavy, she shouldn't feel that she should only charge X because, in comparison there's So-and-So who's really fit and pretty who charges the same. It has nothing to do with it. What I have learned is about Market Prices, and they, like computer memory, or anything else, go up and down. This fluctuation doesn't have anything to do with the Ladies' self-worth or value in the eyes of the Gents. It's just the market. I may, actually, bring my rates down to what they were before the new year, but argued that that 'didn't look good'. But, in reality, if it makes marketing sense to do so, then why not? I don't advertise this special and that, but if a Gent is well reviewed and referenced, he can contact me and I will see what 'win-win' arrangements can be made. When availability is difficult, sometimes prices are higher (just like trying to purchase something that is scarce or new on the market); when the availabiltiy increases, the prices go down. As far as attractiveness goes, there are plenty of lovely ladies in SD, and a Gent can feel one way or the other. He can feel that if he's paying money, then he wants the hottest thing in his imagination to become real, or he can enjoy the lady he's with and what she provides. It sounds like some of the men should probably save their money and go for the PS, the Model Experiences, etc, and not expect your Regular Locals to live up to your fantasy expectations. Those men will just be disappointed. Be aware that SD Hobbyists have a reputation for being picky, difficult to please and on the 'cheap' side. I'll be brave enough to tell you so. When someone like poor MeaganLee, a waify, tall, size 4 has to defend her body size on the boards, something's wrong with this picture. Only in San Diego...I've lived in CA my entire life, but am leaving it soon..
To answer the Original question, goes back to the threads about the economy, etc. The rates are coming down due to the tough times we're in etc, and will go back up as things improve. Thankfully, I have a job, but the FT Providers have really struggled.
With Love,
Sedona