I took a look at new reviews and saw what appeared to be a very pretty girl with one good review (Hanna about a week ago).  I sure would like to see her... 1.5$ plus what seems to be great bod and great attitude.  BUT... then I took a look at this board....

Seems like the cops are posting fake ads in SD and catching us OLD bastards with decoys...  and she is pretty good and a HUGE bargain... so... my worry gland (and my big head) took over.

This would have never happened in SD a few years ago.... at least, in my younger and less careful years I wouldn't have thought twice about it.

Any advice... anybody know her reviewer really well to vouch for him (and sure need to know that that person isn't some cop in drag... meaning posing as a human).

Please help... I want to see 4 or 5 girls in the next week... and sure don't want to be visiting any metal framed rooms.

Best,

S

Get a VIP Memebership which will allow you to research what it is you are seeking. It is as easy as that. With LE lurking around, we are not about to do your homework for you and then post it here for them to read.

I didn't ask for any specific ladies to be recommended... and I have been a VIP member for many years.

I just don't know SD... and I can read the board...   There is lots of shit about stings... If I lived there I would have lots of info....

Now, try and be helpful and less rude.

S

Especially when somebody comes out asking for information under an alias.  I doubt Sparker meant to be rude.  He is just trying to protect his lady friends.  

As far as the best advice.  Stick with ladies who are well reviewed and have them come to you.  While ladies have been arrested at their incall locations, I have yet to hear of a man being arrested when the lady has come to him.  Also, use the rule of never talking about funds in person.  

If you are that paranoid, you can see your goal of 4-5 ladies in one night down in TJ.  You can take the trolly and walk across the border where a taxi will take you to the brothels for $5.  If you go on Monday, you can watch/bet on the Monday Night game and hit the brothels right after the game when the night shift starts to come on.  The best thing about Mondays is that the ladies don't seem to be as rushed.

and you would encounter less hostility on this board. Sparker just reflects the general mistrust of strangers and those who ask for information using aliases in San Diego. A known name combined with a few reviews goes a long way here when asking for a point in the right direction. If Sparker hadn't posted what he did, then I would have.

As a matter of fact, men HAVE been arrested when having a "lady" come to him - I know this for a fact.  1st, she's a bit hard to reach, then - "she" sets the appointment up for the next day (warrants and a crew take some time to arrange).  She'll show up with a driver, wears a wire and works hard to verbally confirm the services to be rendered.  As soon as the money changes hands - sayonara.  VIP's PM me for additional details - but ALL should take care and not assume a man's home is his castle.  BTW, this particular charge is surprisingly easy to beat.

I haven't any insight on Hanna.  Sorry.  However, mindful of the words of Thomas Paine (“The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion”), I’ll offer an observation or two FWIW:

1.  Hanna’s ad says she’s from Vista and her 760 area code jives with that.  If you meet her in Vista, San Marcos or unincorporated San Diego county, that would be outside the jurisdiction of S.D. P.D.  Not to say they wouldn’t have an “interagency task force” for vice but that seems kinda chicken shit (technical legal term for an action of marginal usefulness to society).  

2.  There's chatter on the S.D. and national boards about cops’ association with an “S.D. blonde w/ face obscured.”  Three legit local providers that I trust implicity, all with top notch reviews, (2 of whom I’m delighted to have experienced personally) warned me about this trap.  I'd tred carefully and bring donuts to any meeting w/ faceless, unreviewed ladies here.

3.  You asked about her reviewer and that’s an intelligent question.  I have no scoop on him but if you look to see whom he’s reviewed, Diana of Escondido is there (twice).  This might cut either way.  Check her profile and I’m sure you’ll conclude Diana's legit.  So if she remembers him, Hanna may be real.  You’d probably have to see her to get an answer but, from her reviews, I’d say that’s money well spent.

Mike,

I think you gave sound advice about what to discuss.  Good show!  I had no such advice a while back when visiting Washington.  

I was at the Woodley Park Sheraton (now Marriott) and called an agency.  I was (would be w/out TER) completely devoid of smarts about “hobbying”.  I called an agency from the yellow pages and they sent over a rather bookish-looking mid-30’s blonde.  “Tina”, I believe.  

Tina asked for $$ right up front and that was fine by me.  Unfortunately, she never took her coat off and spent 30 mins. grilling me as to EXACTLY what she was to do in exchange for the money.  Boy, did we not hit it off!  

Thinking her to be rather clueless for an escort, I tried to explain as best I could, without being gauche, what would be fun.  Being a very gifted and talented lover, and quite well-hung at nearly 4 ½ inches, I alluded to all the many benefits a girl might enjoy with me.  Our discussion went like this:

T:  What’s this money for then?
Me:  It’s for you.
T:  For what?
Me:  Not for “what”, for "whom."  (See link)
T:  What?
Me:  He’s on first.

After wasting half an hour on that tack, she asked if she could make a call on her cell.  She told someone that she was OK but “had one that couldn’t really say what he wanted.”  She was told something, apparently to ‘keep trying.’

T:  Why did you give me this $$?
Me:  Because you asked me to.
T:  Do you expect something in return?
Me:  Not any more.
T:  Do you mean if a stranger walked through you door and asked you for $$, you’d give it to her?
Me:  Of course not.
T:  Ah ha!  Why not?
Me:  Because you have all my money.

And so on.  Another ½ hour shot.  Tina’s coat, a smart “Old Navy” look, never budged and neither did I except, exasperated at the circularity of our conversation, I offered her a kiss.  A near miss (“nothing but net”) and even my peanut-sized brain sensed that my “date” needed to focus herself on the task at hand.

Thinking even more than usual that women should come with instructions, I asked her if I she’d like to meet me in the hotel bar in a few minutes for a nightcap.  I made sure the door didn’t hit her in the butt on the way out and went straight to bed.  I hope she’s still waiting in that bar for me but I have my doubts.

and it's always more discreet to PM the requested information! just my .02.

-- Modified on 9/22/2003 4:19:24 PM

There has been multitudes of escorts arrested in other municipalities. The courts in el cajon and oceanside have a higher conviction rate and prosecute more aggresively than the city of San Diego.

As far as who they use as the client to engage the escort into booking the setup appt. they need only be of sufficient character so as not to be discounted by the defense and be able to attend the potential trial as a witness if they are called.

For example the SO of officers can be used as the decoy. My stepmother whose father was a county sheriff was a frequent decoy for the underage drinking task force when she was a teenager. I haven't heard of (real) collared johns being used here in SD but they most definately have been used in other places and I am willing to bet they have had their accounts and identities here used to further LE infiltration. The recent incidences, whether recognized by the individuals involved or not, were NOT a case of a "collared John" or simply a weird guy. The CJ has gone on and attempted to book appointments with other providers and gave information when doing so that proved him to be a member of the legion of doom.  

Not to long ago very popular regular posters were having new screen names modeled so closely to their own that the careless would easily have been fooled into thinking that a well known VIP just gave a thumbs up on a provider that turns out to be a cop. Thankfully they were noticed quickly and pointed out to others.

My former alias as wonderwoman was snatched up as soon as I accidentally deleted it from my list. These actions are obviously LE and are indicative of how valuable an established account, hobbyist, or provider can be to their future endeavors.

I have heard of LE from orange and even LA being used for set ups of various natures here. They are often le in their home areas coming here for their reserve duty. This is why we need to be suspect of military id espeically now when so many are going back active duty.

Don't forget ladies that when you screen a client that it does no good at all if you are not checking their I.D. when you get there. This is a very easy way to get in trouble as they merely need to borrow someone elses information. Check the I.D. and verify that they are the person with whom you booked right away. If they are not leave period. LE will try to get you to stay and have a number of stories to use for exactly this scenario.

It might be said over and over again here but I will be the first to argue that they are NOT DUMB. They are merely limited by the requirements of the court and by the screening methods that we use. As soon as we allow ourselves to believe that they cannot do a set up a certain way they will find a way to do it and more consenting adults will have their civil rights violated.

Since their has been so many unpleasantries here of late I am adding this disclaimer:

SuperGirl does not post heresay as fact. Any and all information posted is from personal experience, first party and reliable news sources as well as information available via the FOIA. If any information is heresay it is clearly stated that it was "heard" and will never be posted as "fact". Sources will never be compromised by me and those of you who have taking the time to let me in on your own personal experiences need not fear that I will succumb to the pressure of the doubtful or paranoid about the validity of my sources. I simply do not care about those who choose not to listen and would continue on if there were only one more person in the world that did and avoided a potentailly awful situation because of my efforts.

Knowledge is power and community it's resolve.

Your friendly Neighborhood Super Girl

SO's or other civilians wouldn't be used as solicitation decoy these days. You've compared apples to oranges.  Appreciate your efforts to educate as always. (Then again, county Sheriff's are NOT the sharpest tools in the shed, I know one that tried to shoot out the tires of a fleeing vehicle.  That only works on TV and IS against department policy for all of the obvious reasons.)
Lawsuit is the main reason. Cross exam is the next reason. Difficult enough to get convictions as it is.  (The arrest is easy.)
The only reason that minors were/are used for underage status offense (a crime that wouldn't be a crime for an adult) "stings" is because they must be actually be underage in order for the violation to occur.
If LE is using pictures of their SO's in advertisements that's on them.  Using their SO's would get them in unnecessary hot water.  What would be the point?  Do we have a lineup of current vice squad pictures circulating so the actual officers themselves are burned?

SuperGirl does not post heresay as fact. Any and all information posted is from personal experience, first party and reliable news sources as well as information available via the FOIA.

First of all I must comment on your confidence on the subject.
Whether that is due to your assumptions or personal experience vigilanttt I will leave up to public speculation.

The pictures of at least four of the past decoys were of escorts that are either currently de-listed or inactive from the east coast, florida and one at least from the continent of europe. so no their SO's (a rather loose term I admit) are not having their pics used. I also never said that the decoys were necessarily civilians either. Assumptions will get you in trouble.

There are at least two females that are used with enough regularity that one could reason that they are more than likely assigned to vice on a regular onging basis. The ads that they work do not show their face.
If you do a message board searh for lani and silky kyla you will find out more detail.
If I was a provider that fit either of the most frequent decoys description I would be extra careful as a hijacked ad and telephone is a valuable tool.

The various LE agencies employ alot of people other than their officers. while this is conjecture for this specific matter of decoy orifin, academy students have been and will still be utilized in arrests. That is a fact. Why do you find it hard to believe that they would not do something similar in this case?

There are resources out there for people to view if they want to know more, alot of resources. In fact you can sign up for several newsgrous and have them deliver the ongoing news stories to your e-mail, Archive searches and a cheap membership to a weblist of various public information resources can yield a surprising amount of information in regards to what tactics have been used in the past. In many states the information can be had for free and in some places they require a fee. It always requires time. For some of us research is just part of the created process and is just good ole fashion fun.

That give me an idea for my next project and if any of you out there have the time and resources to assist then all the better.

Next subject for resaerch, criminal cases where non arresting officers and others aided an investigation and arrest of a subject. I will even eliminate the snitches and compromised criminals and look only for those that are actually playing for the the legions team.

as I already knew but wanted to confirm there are more results for undercover stings that employed not only non officers but civilians than I can begin to look at. there are numerous people who have aided LE in their endeavors. Some are informants, some have been decoys or business owners who were in a position to help. I have not found legal precedent to back up the claim that it would interfere in a conviction at all. I will take this though over to the legal board and look further into it. The main point of the original post really was not about who the decoys are as much as that they will do whatever they have to to ruin our fun.

Dissention amongst our ranks is the enemies greatest achievement IMHO it seems that it is working like a charm

Do Not assume
Do not post your assumptions as it only gives them better ways to bust you.
Do not give information to those you do not know personally
Back channel whenever possible and if you do get caught tell your favorite lady/hobbying friend so they can let others know without compromising you. For those of you who have done this you all should thank their open commentary has benefitted you all,

did you believe that repeating your rhetoric makes you perfect or what? is that your motto?

You clearly stated that “SO’s of officers can be  used as decoys.”  You merely made an unverified misstatement that I pointed out.  You aren’t perfect.


No civilian female is EVER allowed to go into a room, most especially alone, to ENFORCE laws with a soon to be criminal defendant.  It doesn’t happen.  There is no need for it. Forget about diverting to trainees, etcetera.  “Academy students” as you call them are sworn law enforcement officers.  They get sworn in on day one.  Once they’re sworn they aren’t civilians any longer.  They are covered by liability insurance.



So you made a mistake.  Be a big friendly super girl, unwad those panties, and admit it and move on.  Quit your hysterical “I only state verified facts.”  You blew it.  Misinformation is worse than NO information.

I'd have to guess that you've watched some 20/20 or other journalistic docudrama about police informants and applied that here.  Apples/Oranges. Think crime already committed. Think logically.


And the myopia about where I learn my information. Simply that, myopia. Yes I'm as confident as you are. There are dozens of ways to learn about police policy and procedure.  Put on your thinking cap and imagine the different occupations that entail reading entire police reports. Journalists are hardly reliable.  They normally only access the face sheet, prima facia portion, of the crime/arrest reports.



You'll need to continue your speculation regarding my confidence. It certainly isn't news sources.

SO does not equal civilian. It means Signifigant other but then you may have known that. who those signifigant others are within the acceptables for decoys does not matter. nor does it make one bit of difference to the people here at all. Discrediting supergirl would serve certain interests very well however.

as of tomorrow I am no longer in a position to post information on this board. If you are in the inner sanctim and a member of the league then you may still be privvy. if you are not good luck, stay safe and try to disseminate what is valuable and what is just gobbley goop and is only meant to serve as distraction.

What is it you are trying to achieve by convoluting the issue and trying to make your tangent look like it pertains to the argument at hand ? if your vocation is one that makes you so confident then you should have better things to do with your time and you should know a rational argument from inane convoluted digression.