I'm a newbie and I'm a bit nervous about the level of detail providers may want on me. How can I (we) be sure this info doesn't end up in the wrong hands?

First off, you don't need to see a provider that does screening. If you do nat have a VIP membership, get one. It's worth every penny and then some. There are several providers out there that don't require employment phone numbers and DL numbers. You will also find a provider that fits what you want in terms of looks and performance. Who you may want to see also depends on what part of the County you are in.
   Some of the providers that require more screening information than most have good reputations. However,it would not surprise me if some did keep names or numbers stored away. Many of the less expensive providers lack the organizational skills, as shown by their hotel rooms or apartments, to keep names and number neatly tucked away for future reference. Just my 2 cents.

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I do require certain information but my screening is not like buying a house. I also shred all information after verifying, there is no need to keep records. It is necessary to screen, for safety reasons if nothing else.

xo
Kelle

Three words: References, Posting, and Reviews

You do have to start somewhere.  I'm still a relatively new hobbyist, but in my experience, after having spent time with some of the more well-known providers, I've found that new providers that I've wanted to see have been willing to take references from these providers in lieu of filling out a loan app.  

(I realize that this isn't fool proof, as evidenced by the post below about some providers who may not be as reliable when providing references, but it is a way to avoid having to give out sensitive information that you don't want to part with.)

It also helps if you have some sort of pattern or history of posting on one of the boards so that they can go back to check those posts to get comfortable that you are a hobbyist.

Finally, while they may really not be interested in the details of reviews, if a provider can see that you've actually done reviews, then it makes it somewhat more likely that you are, again, a real hobbyist.

JMHO, but for me, if a provider isn't able to take these three things from me and be comfortable that I am a real hobbyist, then I may just decide to move on and find one who can.  I may decide give out my cell phone number or even a work number, but anything more would be too much.

Nothing is perfect, mind you.  Providers have to screen as much as they need to to feel comfortable so that they can be safe.  Hobbyists must do their research to avoid trouble as well and at the same time, still protect their privacy.  There's a happy medium in there somewhere and I'm glad that there are providers who don't require that loan app to see them.  

Just my long $0.02 worth.
BKMan

LE does not screen clients because they are going to bust them. cash and dash girls do not screen much either as they are only there to take your money and let their big guido back them up if you put up a fight. Find a good well respected provider and give her your necessary information. She will usually in turn reference you to others if they ask. I haven't heard of any local horror stores in regards to this but I know I write checks at the grocery store that have everything on the but my social and I routinely hand them over to people who aren't paid well and could potentially do me more financial harm than a provider could. Exposing you means exposing herself and there are alot of providers tha live double lives and have more to lose than I  if they were to go public or get caught with a bunch of numbers. I am,however, single and own my own business.

As far as screening goes, every person in this business--provider and hobbyist--has to decide what level of risk they are comfortable with taking.  We all have different circumstances.

Level 1 Risktaking--This person values discretion highly.  Wants to give minimal information, should stay with known providers with good reputations, finds a way by establishing a persona reputation to see people through references or referral by another hobbyist or provider.

Level 2 Risktaking--Finds a couple of key providers.  Trusts them with his vital information.  No longer gives information to any other providers.

Level 3 Risktaking--More giving of information.  As long as a provider is established and has had no warnings about them, gives information to them.

Level 4 Risktaking--This person lives on the edge.  Wants to see providers less known based on looks and services.  Wants to see providers newer to the business.  Also, the hobbyist who doesn't want to take the time to establish a reputation in the community.

Basically, it comes down to two things.  How aroused you are and wanting to get down to business.  How much you have to lose and the level of risk you are willing to take.

Good luck!!!!

I would be careful using other providers as references and would suggest in general using providers as references who you will not be seeing again.  In some cases the lady that you ask to be a reference may give you a load of BS about why you are seeing the new lady instead of her.  In other cases when you go back to the lady who provided the reference you may find the level of service has dropped.  Some of it may be jealousy, competition among the ladies, etc.  But whatever the reason it does happen sometimes so pick the provider you ask to serve as a reference with care.

Perhaps there are "some" providers that may become jealous, competitive etc., though all that I have met/ conversed with, are above such a level of maturity. They are more than happy to help one another out.


Just my 2 cents...

I always try to remember to let my clients know that they can use me as a reference. This business is about variety no fidelity. I want to come home safe to my children nightly and want the same for my clients and fellow providers.
Be safe.......
Kisses & Licks....
Mara

Absolutely, Meagan Lee! Was just talking about this very thing with other Providers just the other day! How our shared Hobby instantly makes us close, caring friends just upon first meeting! The ladies I've come to know are beautiful, deeply caring women who enjoy 'sharing' the hobby and the experiences.
We have shared visions of how best to take care of our Clients in providing the ultimate of good service including Customr Service, and if one of us can't make an appointment, then we try to find the most suitable replacement so the customer can still be cared for.
I only share my hobby with worthy people, and haven't been disappointed. The ladies I've befriended have been truer friends than ever I've had before apart from this Hobby.
Thanks, MeaganLee for bringing me the opportunity to mention this on the board.

Warmest hugs,
Sedona

Thank you Meagan for that post.  I do know of two providers (one here and one that just moved back east) that get very jealous. (one of which called the gentleman at home work etc., it was crazy he didn't know what to do)
It's a small community and like Mara said, variety is what this is about. I wish more of us would stick together, I always tell clients to feel free to use me as a reference.

xoxo
Kelle

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I absolutely believe it is key to share our recourses.  I am always happy to provide reference to any of the sisters in this community.  And to help keep our recourses flowing by keeping our good hobbiest safe as well.  Please ladies, feel free to contact me for reference.  And gentlement, try to let me know when you are requesting a reference, and jog my memory to make sure I give a good reference for both parties.

Jenni

Jenni, you are such a sweetheart.  Not only do we have a great time together, but you also know what I like, so I trust your referrals, which for a newbie like me, is invaluable.  

I think it's about time for some more chili, darlin!  smooches,

Which providers really want to network this way.  I know it is difficult with phone tag etc.  But it would be helpful if there was a thread to indicate to each other who is willing to do the extra networking to be safe and successful.  And should that be via e-mail or phone.  Phone is best in my opinion in order to ask appropriate and enough questions.  I know I appreciate responses I get when I call, as well as really enjoying providing good reference for my fav guys.  It hasn't stopped them from coming back to see me ever.  And if someone did fall in love, that would be great toooooo!  Thanks for the Kudo Farkle.     Jenni

So far I have spoken to you (Hi Jenni!), Dream here in Escondido, and of course my old and dear friend Ginger. I have also corresponded with Lara (One Yummy Blonde) a few times. All of you were intelligent, pleasant and helpful to whatever request I had.

Whether we are escorts, massage girls, strippers or dominatrixes I think of most girls in the adult entertainment field as as my "sisters" and am always willing to help.

But the idea that one of us would be "jealous" if a client saw someone else is hilarious. Are there girls who really feel that way?

MM

I've been just absolutely amazed at the level of discretion, intelligence, care and maturity among the various ladies that I've met and referenced back and forth with. Nevermind they're absolutely all gorgeous!  I am happy to provide reference to true gentlemen as part of GFE friendships! Jealous? NEVER!! I'd always try to treat the other ladies the way I want them to treat me.
*smooches*
Elise

I am thankful that JR69 has so many lovely ladies willing to serve as a reference should he choose to see any of them and congratulate them on their feeling that variety is the spice of life.  After all provider and hobbyist are not supposed to feel like they are married to each other.  I am also pleased that SexxyKelle is honest enough to admit that not all providers share that attitude.

Hey Miss M, How the heck are ya?  I would like to mention a few girls who are good at returning calls for refs, hope they don't mind.  Suzanne, Diane, Meagan Lee, Sedona, and of course, Barbiluv, Nicole of Southern Calif.  Hope I'm not forgetting someone, but if I did, speak up!  Jealouse?  I think we should get together, bring our fav guys, and have a free for all!!!

yes there are dream.......believe it or not

we should all do lunch, it would be fun

Kelle

yes we should I would love to be part of the ladies that do lunch.

I am sure we all have some good ideas on what we can do to make this a thing for all of us.

email me or give me a call info on my web page

Hi, all,it's me again.
Thanks for all the feedback. As RogerL55 says, it's a matter of balancing risk. Acknowledging that all thrill sports/hobbies entail some risk, I would like to figure out how to minimize mine before becoming an active "hobbyist".
I understand that Providers need to protect themselves from LE and weirdos. I have concerns about LE too, so let's start there. The issue is to be sure neither the hobbyiest nor the Provider is LE. If a hobbyist simply states the he is not LE, isn't that enought? If LE were to make such a statement wouldn't that be entrapment? Likewise, the Provider making a similar statement would give the hobbyist comfort, yes?
Moving on to the weirdo issue, suppose the Provider and I were to meet at a public place over coffee. (I would be glad to make the standard donation for her time.) I would show her my DL, credit cards, business card, utility bills, photos of my kids, whatever it takes for her to get comfortable. I would prefer that she not write any of it down other than my first name, cell phone no. and e-mail address.
My concern is this, most Providers don't destroy the info and it could get into the wrong hands. (Yea, I know I can be traced by my cell phone and and e-mail, but it's a longer trail.)
As to the referral approach, you have to start with somebody who has your info.
My point here is to be as anonymous as possible. I'm sure most Providers are very professional and ethical and wouldn't do anything that could hurt their current professional standing. I am not a high profile person, but suppose ten years from now I am. She has retired from the business and is having financial difficulties. The more info she has in her files on me the more vulnerable I would be.
Wonder if anyone has had the patients to read through this whole thing. Hope so, there are lots of thoughtful people participating in these forums and I look forward to your advice.
JR69

Well, Jenni, you already know I do since this is what we've been talking about! There's much to talk about..

Sedona

Count me in!!!xoxoxoDream

I think some of us guys should monitor this luncheon...there would probably be benefits for all!

I agree 100%. However, I think that it might need to be a dinner date. Maybe find a room after.........

UNLESS they're doing something ILLEGAL.  NONE of the girls that I reference with participate in Illegal activities.
SO JR69 WHATEVER you're planning on doing, That you'd need protection from "LE" and "entrapment"
do it with someone OTHER than my friends!!!
Elise

lunch on wednesdays would be nice. i'll bring the wine. just tell me where.

Just to remind everyone, everything in TER is just fantasy.

These are the people who crack DVD codes, cell phones, pac bell mainframes, etc.  Once or twice a year they gather in a public place to meet and greet, to share knowledge, brag about their successes, etc.  Of course, LE shows up to monitor all of this, to try to figure out who is responsible for what, to build their databases of to-be-targeted-suspects, etc.  So in turn, the hackers play "spot the Fed" (since they usually stand out like sore thumbs).  Once everyone feels comfortable, then the fun and sharing of knowledge begins.

Point being, a provider network such as the one being discussed here needs to be based upon Trust.  Gentlemen, IMHO, if we want to hang with the Ladies in a non-working situation, then we should organize a seperate event, not intrude on theirs (unless invited, of course .

So find an existing and successful model, or a few models, such as the "ladies who trade stock" model, for your "network", that's my advice.  

Best wishes and watch out for the heat!

Gees! It would appear that at least most of the GUYS have been keeping up with the discussion, and did'nt presume. You're right sexykelli (your 11/24 string). Keep it professional. You Go Girls!