My current ATF Provider recently told me that I would be surprised at how many of the Outcall and Hotel Incall type Providers have pimps.  Her opinion of the percentage was shockingly high to me.  She also told me that the number seems lower to us hobby guys because just about all of the providers will lie and say they don’t have pimps, even when they do.  My curiosity provokes me to take a fun little poll.  So here goes:

If you want to take part, give your estimate of the % of girls that you think use pimps; and

Say whether you are a Provider or a Hobbiest, so we know how to regard it.

Should be interesting and fun.

I would say 80%, or higher have management, a Daddy, or so called boyfriend, or guy who is happy to profit off these girls risks & wages.  Majority of the time they share pimps, so several girls have the same guy who lies to all of them.  My friend told me when he had his 1st ATF he would go to the appointment 15 minutes early, and noticed her pimp, or bf leaving right before he was set to arrive.  The majority of the time if the hobbiest is really interested in the provider it doesn't matter to them.  

I am another 100% independent provider!
 I can't imagine doing what I do with all of the considerable risks involved only to hand over a substantial amount of my hard earned money to someone else!?!
 Regardless if its a Pimp, Daddy or agency.  
If I am going to put myself out there and deal with all the risks involved, than I am going to KEEP every bit of of my donation!
I prefer to stay somewhat removed from all the ends and outs of how other ladies  do their business so I will admit, I am a bit naive when it comes to the amount of girls that have to answer to someone other than themselves ...  In truth, I have no clue how many of them are being pimped out. I do know that the few ladies I do associate with are there OWN bosses, just like myself.
I am curious though as to how many ladies actually DO have have pimps or "daddy's" as they like to call themselves?   I am quite sure that MY Daddy would be more than a bit disturbed by my line of work so the Daddy lingo used is definitely OFF (IMHO) even though I do understand the obvious concept . No man that encourages a lady use HER body to earn HIM money should every have the honor of being called  DADDY.  The Word usage for this particular venue serves as additional proof of how condescending & degrading these men are to the women that are currently under their thumb. Again, IMHO but its sad indeed that these ladies do not feel more empowered to stand up for themselves.

Cierra,
Just the kind of discussion I was hoping to provoke.  Thanks for you input.
BTW,
That pic is a killer.  Gotta get me some...

Your number of 80% is very close to the number she told me.  I was amazed.

All things considered, people are people. Mostly people are designed to go through this world two-by-two. Not everyone, of course, but the majority of us pair up with a partner under various kinds of arrangements.

Using the word "Pimp" is pretty pejorative; it calls up a Hollywood image of some dude in an outrageous outfit with a tasteless flashy car and a gold tooth who is victimizing helpless women.  That definition may cover some situations, but, really. how many ladies just have a guy who may or may not also assist as a manager/bodyguard, or how many have a partner who has his own job and they are just a couple?  Does a guy bringing a paycheck home to his wife make HER a pimp? I don't think so. It can be a very lonely world without a partner, especially if your profession doesn't make it easy to have many friends in the general population. (Stand up comedians have the same problem!)

So I wonder how many of that 80% would break down to the cliche controlling pimp vs, say, a manager/agent that legitimately earns a share by providing needed services, or a more conventional partner who shares income like standard couples do?

None of my business, actually.  

I agree CR!
I did not want to refer to the pimp as a man because he is not & he does not deserve the Daddy title either.  Most partners contribute, but they do not just take.  Honestly, Hobbists would you want the mother of your children, or GF being a provider?

Very good point...I agree that most ladies do not do this as the "main job" but on the side and they do not have the time to deal with the emails, calls,screening, ads, etc etc so they outsource these chores to either an agency or assistant. Frankly, I do not see anything wrong in that.

dependent upon where the girl advertises. I know a bit about the "pimp" side of the industry (long story), even though I have never personally (ever) had a pimp (nor would I ever, at all). (Now former)-CL girls: 75-85%. BP girls: 65-85%. Erosguide girls: 30-40% (with quite a few more agency girls who advertise as indies). With the advent of CL and BP, a lot of pimps got more high-tech and brought their streetwalkers online. (How's that for excessive use of parentheses?)

You need no pimp, doll, you are the best. Others might need help.

Dang it, it won't copy a j.peg image now. How did you do that?

Always one step ahead of me. Get your ass down here, girl!

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I hate the idea of my hard-earned money going to a worthless son of a bitch who profits from brutalizing women.

So, how do I avoid providers who have pimps?

I am pretty sure that well-established providers don't have pimps, but what about newer and younger providers? How do I know an 18 - 22 year old doesn't have a pimp? It seems to me someone in that age range is more likely to have a pimp.

I have the exact same concern.  But I don't think there is much of a way to do it, when venturing out into the newbies.  As I was told by my ATF, 80% of em have pimps and 100% of them lie and say they don't.  I dougt your gonna hear "He takes all my money, controlls my schedule, tells me when and how long to work and abuses me".  They would rather just be in denial about it than to move up in life.  But I ask em anyway, and I think I can eventually tell when they are lying.  Then I don't go back.

I think there is a CLEAR distinction between a girl maintaining control and "out-sourcing some minor services where she pays the helper like a contractor, calling the shots and that of the abusive pimp relationship.  The story I was told by my ATF about her early years providing under a pimp were horrendous.  She made hundreds of thousands of dollars for him, working as much as 16 hrs a day in LV, and came out of the relationship with nothing when he moved on to the next 18 yr old.  At least now at 26 today, she is a doll and fiercely independent.