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Jai See my TER Reviews 3522 reads
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you are pretty close. And obviously from your response a class act. Very refreshing. I look forward to reading more of your posts.

elegantelise4728 reads

As far as the recent repetitive news stories, it's sort of the same as letting you know where LE are going to be setting up traffic stops to check for drunk driving, seat belt checks and the like.  I've never really understood the legal necessity behind it, but I guess it's your warning that they're going to be enforcing those laws in a proactive situation rather than a probable cause scenario.  Kind of running over your 4th ammendment rights, but not really, because you should have paid attention.

Vice is normally a training ground for bigger and better assignments. I believe that it includes alcohol, tobacco and firearms, enforcement,normally, as well as some narcotics activities and a plethora of other activities that can fall under the "vice" umbrella.

An arrest for solicitation is also probable cause for those vice detectives to search your car, hotel room, home (wherever the arrest was made and sometime they will push that limit) take your fingerprints and in some cases a judge orders DNA samples to enter into the "system" for comparison to other, more significant cases.

It's quite likely these men and women of vice are hoping to catch serial killers much like the Green River guy, etc.

There are SEVERAL open homicide cases right here in town, some recent, some dating back 20 years of women that are believed to have been involved in prostitution.  Possibly at the hands of someone closer than a "john" but one won't know until the case is solved.

I wouldn't assume that Vice thinks of internet activity any differently than street activity in the long or short of it.

IF there are secondary crimes involved, normally it's narcotics  on the periphery.  Hooray, a felony. Not likely but it happens.

Since 9/11/2001 and the discovery that some of the perpetrators were quite involved in the strip clubs and women that worked there, I suppose the vice detectives hope to nab some information that will lead them to a terrorist ring.  

Even a juvenile prostitution ring is a "great catch", earning a detective with good writing skills (reports take all the time, the time that the actual bust/booking takes is neglible in comparison) a chance at a better assignment, like maybe homicide, mounted, or even motors  (traffic means learning really hard math equations in order to testify regarding fatal accidents nice LITTLE raises come with these promotions as well as status and freedom and maybe even a better vehicle assignment)....  Not too  many cops want to stick around at vice.

Yeah, I know a couple of cops intimately.  I know a couple of defense attorneys intimately as well.  You can't choose your family but you CAN choose your friends.

I'd like to add that one of the moments that changed my life drastically was in 1986 when on duty CHP Officer Craig Peyer murdered the sister of a girl that I grew up with. In the end, LE is merely a microcosm of society sworn to enforce the laws of the land.

Elise [email protected]

Its interesting to see the "other" side of the LE motivation.  Thanks for the input.  Id never thought about the fact that they might benefit in finding criminals from larger cases ...

Many valid observations in here, Elise.  Thank you for the effort, as I know it comes from the right place, and is, as all of your posts, a unique combination of informing and entertaining.

Did you ever hear any of the "Mercy Road" recording that John Katchur made about the killing?

elegantelise4149 reads

Probably would just upset me.  I pray MONSTER rots his life away in prison.

The one great thing that came of Cara Knott's murder is the  police in car video cameras that Mr. Knott campaigned for prior to his death.  

The cops were against that in the beginning but those cameras have proven to have helped them more than hurt them in the long run.

Elise [email protected]

Vice does is not out to solve other crimes. They do not take DNA. Only fingerprints and that is if they book you. Most girls are let off with a ticket and court date, so the booking process doesn't even take place. Trust me. If I didn't have inside info. I wouldn't say this. I'm sorry to contridict, but I hate to see unwanted paranoia created. This isn't CSI. If they happen upon someone with some background issues, warrants, it's a bonus for them. Just like getting pulled over for a tail light, speeding, DUI, etc.
The only truth to this is that vice cops to shuffle around between assignemtns that fall under the vice umbrella. Most are not on permenent assignment. Yes, they can search your stuff. And yes, they don't see it any different then girls on the street. But for that reason, they see it as a minor crime and don't associate it with felonies etc. Unless there is an obvious reason. (Priors etc.) If you have to go to court the judge is more likely to order an AIDS test then DNA sample. May P.O. somebody. But this is a little over board.

elegantelise4659 reads

I completely agree, CSI is a complete and total joke.  I certainly didn't intend to make any equation to that program.

I've never been arrested/ticketed nor have I actually hung around with a vice detective so I have no first hand information on how a person idea how a person gets treated on that specific type of booking, etcetera.  Only heard the stories from the women who have.  SDPD and ElCajon PD Vice seems rather bloodthirsty from what I've HEARD.

You're right about the girl side of the issue, there is no reason to ask for DNA on that side of the board. Regarding men, of course, it depends on the judge, the prosecuter, and the situation. It's rare, and I should have been more clear about that.  A person suspected of a more serious crime could be put in a position of surrendering a sample.

Again, if I'm not mistaken, there is a specific group of SDPD detectives that are in search of the perpetrators of the person(s) that murdered more than one prostitute here in San Diego.  It could be very old news ~I haven't heard anything new about it for 5 years~ and I don't check up on this stuff, (my attorney friends do federal rather than state work) but one of those prostitutes was found dumped with rocks jammed down her throat/mouth....  Of special note, LE was SUSPECT in the case!!!
(Oldtimers will recall Donna Gentile)  

There have been at least three homicide cases this past year of girls that were considered street walkers.

My intent was to let you know, in general, what the cops very often are thinking. They want the misdemeanors to turn into felonies so they look like Ace Detectives and gain promotions.

You and I, Jai, are also agreement that it is exactly like getting pulled over for a ticket when you get arrested for solicitation.  You are then fair game for  search incident to arrest at that time.  You are much better at laying it out than am I.

Again, cops don't differentiate between streetwalkers and internet providers.  Would you SPIT on the street IN FRONT of a cop?  That's essentially what internet providers are doing IF they are meeting the elements of the crime for solicitation.

Thanks, Jai, for your comments.

Elise [email protected]

you are pretty close. And obviously from your response a class act. Very refreshing. I look forward to reading more of your posts.

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