there is two different rate for the same service for the following reason: '''Two rates: 1. This rate is going to apply to the majority of you - $175 an hour - this rate is IF you keep your private area nice and trimmed or shaved --- 2. For the few other mmen with a ''full natural'' bush $220 --- (Why? shaved or trimmed is a LOT more hygenic (some men do not realise that even after a shower their private area as a ''distinctive''( to put it nicely) smell... less risk of little crabs crawling around lol, it is sexier AND it makes your cock look so much bigger! And honestly? I just am repulsed by having to pick off long dark pubic hairs one by one of my body after a session - hence the extra fee for the extra hassle) So with all these advantages why are you not already in the bathroom shaving or trimming really really short yet?? lol ''

Or does it sound like I am out of place? One side of my mind tells me, its my body, its me who can feel something coming up my throat when I see all this digusting dark long pubic hair(not so disgusting when it is blondish hair though they seem to have much shorter hair naturally anyways so that might be why lol) on my chest during the session when I look down at the end of their cock popping in and out of my tits which is something I love but when I see the hair there I have to talk to my self in my head to not be sick lol and the same after the session when I am cleaning my self up and have to pick them off one by one because even the spray of the shower is not enough to get them off. -- I have yet to meet a girl who likes men ''natural down there so I know I am not weird in my preference lol - but the other side of me tells me this is business, this is good money this is what your meant to put up with and that it might hurt my business to be ''judgemental'' ---- which side should I be listening to??

Have you ever thought of offering an option that part of the session would involve a shave? I'm not sure I'm so dextrous that I can do it myself and it would be fun to have a woman do it to her liking.

I personally don't see a problem with it. A lot of us hobbyists want this to be enjoyable for you too. You set the price. There are things that make you uncomfortable, so you should be compensated for it. It's much better to be up front about it, than to be accused of upselling.

if the providers has a nice shave area she gets her normal rate. if she has some bush down there i get a discount like $50 off. that sound like a great idea. dosnt it?

To be honest I think it would be misunderstood. I shave and trim my pubic hair but I’m sure many guys would not be able to shave with out attracting the attention of their SO.
If you have a website make your preferences known there and when a gentleman stops by to see you have him take a shower before the session begins.

I almost thought this was a joke, but you appear to be seriously considering this policy. I'm really suprised you've brought this up at all, because basically what you're saying is that all those guys you've been with that were bushy down there totally disgusted you and made you want to puke. Now we all know that providers fake enjoying themselves, but they NEVER admit it and NEVER go as far as saying that most men make them want to puke. Personally speaking, you've alienated this bushy-haired john for good!

The difference with that is YOU have a choice of which provider you see, girls don't know in advance who or what they are getting so you don't deserve a discount lol .....but see my point men (not all but a lot) expect the girl to be shaved, and we shave all nice and bald but yet many men don't see it as a two way street. Seriously when men shave it is just so much more fun to give head and deep throat and all that good stuff. Men won't go down if your hairy so why should the girl :P So come on men, if your shaved think about it then the girl has no excuse to not shave!

Not all people can shave, due to personal life and or beliefs. Some shave everything for the same reasons. So, that is completely not the answer. If it's that big an issue. I'd put it your screening and not see guys, or dont repeat if you dont like hairy dental floss. It's part of the job , so I think changing donations around is confusing and unfair to you and the client. Only my 2 cents......Jai

-- Modified on 1/24/2006 2:56:41 PM

Lara, Hey you GO girl. This is your gig. Make all the rules you want. That's the benifit of being among the SELF EMPOLYED!!!

While I can understand your feelings my first thought was that you should have realized that this happens when you are a "Russian Specialist"  And if all your reviews are correct and you are a good as everyone says what is happening is the price of success and your unique talents.

But there also are some good points made here.  You probably would lose some business with that policy.  There are people who cannot trim like you want due to SO's.  I have been trying to contact you recently for a appointment since I read that you were back.  When I read this post I looked down and thought to myself "oh s--t", now what do I do.

But then maybe you could offer another part to your massage.  You could offer a mutual shower together and we could clean you until you are squeaky clean.  Now that could be fun.

Just my 2 cents....

I have read your reviews and your web site. I get the idea that you have very little contact with your clients' pubic area in most cases except for your trips to Russia.  Are you concerned that they might get pubic hair on the furniture while watching you and your SO?  What's the point?

I have several thoughts on this matter.

A) I shave anyway so it would be no hair off my scrotum.  An ex girlfriend and I shaved each other once on a dare and I liked it enough to make it a normal part of my grooming.  
B)  I like Cali_tailchaser's idea of getting shaved by the provide .... a lot!   Might have to look into this in the future.
C) Jetfishes point that a sudden shave job could and would attract unpleasant questions from one's SO is spot on, but the more patrician side of my brain pipes up with the thought that the best way not to get caught doing something you shouldn't is to ... NOT DO IT!  I can say this without fear of hypocrisy since I only partake of this hobby between relationships.
D) I completely agree with Jai (as I almost always do.  Intelligence is soooo alluring on a woman), particularly when she writes about daring things, that idea about the stair well or the back-nine gave me fantasy fodder for months.  Only that "relationship rule" I mentioned above kept me away.

It comes down to this.  

Do I think you're being unfair?  YES absolutely.   To misquote Arnold Rothstien form Godfather 2, "This is the business [you've] chosen.

Do you have the right to do any silly thing you want?  Absolutely.

Could you have handled it better?  You Bet!  Instead of putting this in terms of penalizing (probably a good pun there if I thought about it) guys who don't shave, saying something like, "Guys who shave down there REALLLLLY turn me on so I give a $50 buck discount."  might have been a more positive way to accomplish the same thing.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

RJAGOODWITCH

Each and every one of us is different.  I know it may sound strange to you but I personally prefer women who are "natural down there" as opposed to being completely shaved.  Heck, I like it when women don't shave their legs or armpits!  Although it is a minority view in the United States, it is not the minority view in some other countries and cultures.  Viva la difference!

I'm very sorry that pubic hair disgusts you so, especially in your chosen profession.  By all means, you should be allowed to charge what you see fit for your services.  Good Luck!

Oh I love that idea!!! Very clever!!!

Actually, this is something REALLY nice to do on your girl too!... I had it first done to me a few days ago actually (after a couple month of convincing that I would be ok and not be cut everywhere lol) ---- anyways it was very relaxing during, but just after when it was all clean and everything, I do not know what happend but I got SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO turned on by it all, and me who has been scared of anal, actually told my husband I was in the mood to try it! That is just HOW turned on the whole thing made me! I think it is because it is SUCH an intimate thing for both you and the girl, you are staring at her pussy the whole time, touching around it but not inside, the inside just teasing you so much knowing you can't slide in just yet! And the fact that by the end of it I felt SOOOO relaxed, almost the state of relaxation you get when you drink (but WAY better as I do not like alchool so there is not yucky taste and bad mornign to the relaxation lol)...but oh my god it sure made for a VERYYYYY hot session after!!!....I am sure some might thing it is a big too ''kinky'' but honestly it is sure worth a try at least once you never know what she might end up asking you to do to her!!!!  

And thank you very much for your reply seem you are the only one agreeing (well on TER anyways)

xxx
Lara

The only ''belief'' I know of that does not allow a man to shave is some Sikhs, what other belief would stop someone shaving?

As for personaly life, I know that it would raise suspicion, but why do they not present it as a ''new thing to try together''.... I guess the thing I would love some one to explain to me is why is it that the majority of men like a trimmed or even fully shaved pussy, or hell will not even be turned on at all by a ''natural bush'' so why do they not to the same for their spouse or girlfriends? You as a girl I am sure, if you answered truthfully, would agree as to how even more delicious a cock looks when less hair around it. Be it just tidy and trimmed or just basicly shaved. It looks bigger, it smells better, it just makes you want to deepthroat it. and how much much better it is for a male to not have the girl stop every five seconds from either choking on hair or pulling it out of her teeth (it is not always possible to hold it all down ---- well what I forgot to ad is to me bushy is the 5-6 inch length).....Don't men realise that it could be something nice to do with (and for) their girl? Or are they just scared incase they cut them self? Or what beliefs stops someone from shaving? Can anyone answer?

Oh yes you make a good point! I have tried the shower thing many times in the past, thats the thing, the ones that need a shower when I offer them to take a shower, have ALWAYS said no, even when I offer to rub them up all over my self. Where as the ones that smell fine not always but often ask me THEMSELF as soon as they come in can they shower first lol weird huh that the ones that would need it would refuse where as the ones that smell like they just showered go in for another one. And for the past few months the preference HAS been put on my site, but has not made much difference. Hence wondering about making it even clearer? Well not so much making it clearer just discouraging really hairy people from booking, with out making men who look after theirs put off thinking I judge everyone by their looks or something silly.

As for the attracting the attention of their SO. Would not the man SO maybe like the idea also? Introduce it as something you saw on the news or in a book how they heard how women like a trim (or even shaved) pubic area? Are SO really that bad at new things being introduced into the sex life? I personally welcome new things introduced when my husband has read something somewhere. From what I hear from married women and women with boyfriends their sex drives goes up more when the man looks after him self than when he does not, but seems a lot of them are scared to mention it. Ahhh women lol if they let their husbands know these things my life would be so much easier .........

I don't think your plan will work because a high percentage of clients have a spouse/SO to go back to and they would have a tough time explaining what happened! I don't like to hear you talk in terms of 'putting up' with anything you find unpleasant, distastful or just plain disgusting...as far as cleanliness/smell, if you run across something downright 'nasty', you always have the option of ending the session.  I think 'putting up' with anything in this business is the fast track to becoming jaded/burnt out and you don't want to go there, do you!

I also much prefer that my clients shave down there, but I restrict my comments to being positive.... if a client is shaved, he gets a lot of positive feedback from me, including comments like, 'if you write reviews, please be sure to include something about how much Suzanne prefers shaved...' or 'around here, shaved will get you get a sucking/licking to take you to heaven!'    

On a handful of occasions when I've mentioned something about shaving to a client who I knew didn't have a spouse/SO, I've been ask to shave him right then, and that’s always turned out to be a huge turn-on for both of us.

Suzanne

Definitely NOT ‘’all’’ providers fake enjoyment!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where did you read that!?! Or maybe they fake it with you or maybe they fake it all the time, either way you are picking the wrong girls????………  I find it really hard to believe....

I do no and will not EVER fake. I LOVE my work, deeply and I want to KEEP on truly loving my work…..THAT is why I am thinking of implementing the policy to 1. Encourage the men who can keep things trim to do it and 2. Or as mentioned in another post to encourage the ones with (my definition of bushy) to not book with which seems to be working as you just said I have ‘’alienated you’’ lol. Because it is a reason why the men I see often comment on why they love coming back is because they KNOW I have fun. And if I can not, will not, and do not fake enjoyment I know the guy will not enjoy it, thus I do not want them to come to me. As even though it would not be up selling, it would feel like it is as I know they would not be leaving 100% satisfied.

The people I was more worried about alienating are the men who take care of them self’s. I was asking the question to see if those men would see it as scary as if the provider might be judgmental about looks or would they realize I could not care less about that as long as they are nice and clean? (clean and trimmed is the same thing to me).

p.s Do you actually trully belive that we as providers do not enjoy our selfs and just fake it??

I think I love you lol

Thank you very much for your reply : ) --- my replies have not yet been posted up yet but I addressed the SO/spouse thing……………….

Thank you for also being truthful about preferring men shaved down there…looks like providers here are scared of admitting it incase they loose customers. As mentioned in my last post I totally 100% agree with you – putting up is the best way to be burned out, and I really do not want that, I prefer enjoying my self and giving them a great session that lying to them – even if it means I have to loose a client or two. Though even if I wanted to lie I suck at lying lol so it would not work as they would know I am not telling them the truth.

I do the same as you! I always tell them in detail just how much I LOVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE it when they are trimmed or shaved. Or on a few occasions they asked me what I preferred and from then on they always showed up trimmed short or shaved. But that is the thing I have never felt comfortable asking them to put reviews incase they feel like I am being pushy, I let them do it when they want, maybe that is why they always call or email after the session to say how much they enjoy it etc… but do not all put reviews? Do you find they are ok with the suggestion of putting a review? Is it something you always do? Or only when you have seen them a few times?

I love your idea and the first gentleman who replied idea of shaving them first. Thank you!

p.s I looked at your website, you are absolutely stunning! The web link would suggest you are European also? Is that correct? Where are you from?

I want a discount if the girl is bare, not if she still has some hair! I don't like the bare look much.

Guess there is no pleasing any of us!

LOL ----- but some hair is totally ok as long as its not wild and really long!.... Question for you, does it seem like most providers have some hair? Or totally bald? Or 50/50?

Based upon your post it seems that the obvious solution to your problem is to post on your website that you only wish to see men with shaved packages and then screen your clients for this when they contact you.  

Charging extra is really not going to be satisfactory to either your client or yourself.  Since the hair literally makes you sick the extra money is really not going to be worth it to you. It certainly will not be fair to your clients who will be paying more for an inferior service because if something is making you sick it is bound to impact the quality of your service.

From what you wrote above, I can tell that you certainly have the right idea about what you're saying to and doing with your clients.

To answer your question, of course I am going to choose my 'victims" when talking about including something specific in a review, and would always I make it clear by what I say that I’m not asking for or encouraging them to write a review in the first place, just making a small suggestion if they do choose to write a review… absolutely no pressure whatsoever there!   I would always keep the tone of the conversation light, playful and teasing, and to my knowledge no one has ever had a problem with anything I've said!    I don't have a little set of rules and regulations as to when I might mention the subject in general, so I would say, just go with the flow (pun intended!)  

One thing I am adamant about though is cleanliness and lack of odor, and I know that the majority of my clients either take a shower shortly before our appointment, or if that's not possible, they know they are welcome to take a shower at my incall condo, and the shower time won't count towards the session time.  My goal is to market myself to upscale classy discriminating gentlemen, which the majority of my clients are, and these are people who are as concerned and careful about good health, hygiene and absolute cleanliness and who would always use protection, as I always do, at every session/encounter.

Yes, I am from Europe... I was born and raised in the south of England and after graduating from college, I lived in Brussels and Paris for several years, before marrying an American (since divorced) and moving back to sunny California.  Feel free to pm me or send an email to [email protected] if you'd like to talk some more!
Good Luck!
kisses
Suzanne

-- Modified on 1/26/2006 9:02:14 PM

Package 1 the russian one as you said has a lot of contact with their pubic area so does package 2 with me using my body a lot to do the massage AND finishing with russian. What you little man forgot to do is think about which package gets asked for most often before you made your patheticly stupid little comment. I only advertise for package 2. Package two is my favourite one and the one that 99% of my clients pick. Thus there IS a point.

I realise that my post took a few days to show up, so you might not have seen my comment on what IIIII consider long bushy digusting and what other people thing. What I consider long is what most people would too the 5-6 hair. This has never been a problem with caucasian men, just every indian men, and a lot of asian men. I also addressed the SO part.

Thank you very much for your reply, I love the fact that your reply was VERY well put and clear. And I LOVE your idea! (the giving a discount to those who do, as it gets the point accross with out people wrongly percieving my intend as ''mean'')