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I can't believe that we have taken this BS to TER.

I have given my position on this issue to those of you who asked me to look in to it.  All I have to say is that Lara has earned the right to advertise on NE and continues to have that right.  

I am saddened and pissed that a few other providers have caused this flinging of the BS.  I never thought it would happen.

Yes gentlemen, the BS is being generated from another provider.  Take whatever stock you want from that.

Just wanted to apologize to anyone who's been trying to get in touch with me over the past couple of days.  My phone has been out of order.  And, because it is a LAND LINE, this ALSO means that I got a little bit behind in responding to my e-mails as well!  

I hope to have this issue resolved before 12noon on Tuesday, so ... I suggest that if you need to reach me before then, PLEASE do so via e-mail.  I have been going to a neighborhood Internet Cafe, so not to worry!

Lastly... I'd like to let you all know that I have decided to EXTEND MY SPECIAL.  I was quite happy with the response, so ... Why Not??  I hope this helps everyone out in what appears to be Tough Times All Around.

xoxoxox LARA

Maybe I missed something but what is your special?

somethingrotten7717 reads

After being in the business for well over a year you still do not have a cell, a car or non dial up internet connection...not even a pager. Given the number of reviews you have it seems business is good yet your electric bill was too much for you to cover not too long ago. I know many providers with less marketability that maintain all of the above mentioned things and raise a family on their income. You can't seem to manage the basics and you live in a place where the rent is comparitively low. One has to wonder what it is that you spend your money on that takes priority.

Even I agree with the fellow below... At least this chick is somewhat reasonable when it comes to donations... and she often gives guys a break with her specials. No need to degrade her managerial abilities here. Maybe she has other obligations that are of greater importance.

Pecker


people to love, love, love one another!  


-- Modified on 8/13/2003 12:01:06 PM

I'm sure you can relate.................thank you for shareing

Paging............itty......bitty..........pecker

LOL

-- Modified on 8/13/2003 12:17:17 PM

sounds like someone has a personal issue with Lara.  I'll bet most people on both sides of this hobby have issues to deal with in their lives (including me).  But I'll also bet that the discussion board here on TER probably isn't the best place to work them out.  Lara's reviews speak for themselves and good or bad they are a pretty fair representation of her and her service.  If you're trying to help her in some way you ought to give her a call and not post sarcastic cryptic messages while you hide behind an alias.
That's just imho of course.

well somethingrotten defenetly decribes you to a tee .I have seen Lara and she so far is my ATF She is one of the sweetest women that Ive met in a long time and for you to blast her like that is not for this forum.You need to wake up a bit and remember where you're at. This whole business has to maintain a level of discresion for providers and hobbyists alike and for you to assume to know her problems and share them on this board puts people at risk. Obviously your hiding behind an alias and have some resentment that you havent worked through.Get over it.What you did was just mean.If you're upset with service that didnt go your way quit bitching.We all have had things not go our way sometimes especially is this business. You write a review and move on.Treat people like you want to be treated.Or maybe you're just a cop.

First of All, I'd just like to say that I am TRULY Disappointed that this message was even posted.  Whichever Moderator was on duty at the time this went up on the SD Board must not have felt that it was worthy of even modifying, let alone deleting.  

But I've gotta ask:  Isn't there a even General Dode of Decency here at TER that the posts are Supposed to fall under?  
I mean ... When a message is posted that is Entirely Malicious in nature (ie: the one posted above by "somethingrotten")...
When it does NOTHING but Insinuate & use Slanderous Language...
Isn't it the policy of TER to PULL such a message based SOLEY upon THAT criteria??  

Furthermore, I've personally had 1 REALLY GOOD review PULLED IN IT'S ENTIRETY just because one or two guys complained to the moderator that it was "too long-winded" & "too flowery" for their taste.  Why is it that something like THIS would be pulled & NOT viscious posts like the one by somethingrotten ??  
I would REALLY appreciate a response regarding this from ANY moderator willing to comment.  *THANKS*

Now ... For those of you who were Genuinely Concerned about my  situation ... I was FINALLY able to get an appointment with the phone co. repairmen this morning.  (whew!)  That makes 3 days now without Internet Access / Landline Service.  Upon examining the situation, he gave me some Pretty Suprising News:  Someone had Physically Severed my outside phone lines!!

I asked around & found that I was the ONLY ONE who had this happen to them.  This means that someone had to have targeted ME specifically.  Oh ... Did I fail to mention that I live in a GATED/LOCKED courtyard setting??  Apparently it was someone who has access to the area ... Most likely someone with Their OWN Key!  You may be wondering if I have any neighbors that I don't get along with, right?

Well, it just so happens that the night before ALL this I  placed a call to SDPD.  I reported my neighbor for beating on his little 4-year-old son.  And, strangely enough, I find that my outside phone lines were cut the Very Next Day!  Gee ... Now, I Wonder WHO Might've Done THAT??

I get the message:  "If you call the cops on ME, then I will make it impossible for YOU to call ANYONE!"  
Well, I cannot allow his (however thinly veiled) threats to intimidate Me.  After all, SOMEONE needed to give that child a voice, Right?!?  

Anyhow, the Bottom Line is, Everything is back Up & Running now. So, not to worry!  :)

But, before I go, I'd like to take a moment to address the comments that were made by "somethingrotten".  Obviously (s)he is someone who THINKS they know me well-enough to pass judgment on me (and in a PUBLIC FORUM, no less).  Granted, they apparently have at least spoken to -or- have had an appt. with me at some point.  I say this because of a few of the details they revealed in their post that they couldn't have known otherwise.

However, if they TRULY KNEW ME, they'd know the following:

#1: I, in fact, am NOT the ONLY person existing on my income as a Provider. I happen to be supporting another individual, as well!  

#2: The Car: I HAVE owned a car from the time I was 16 yrs-old until just recently when my last car died on me.  For Your Information, I have decided NOT TO purchase another vehicle because I was contemplating moving to a city that just so happens to have an EXCELLENT public transportation service.  This, of course, would make owning a car more of a hinderance than anything!  Believe Me ... I could easily afford a car payment if I wanted to purchase another car.  It just doesn't make sense to do so.  This has been a concious choice on my part!

#3:  My Phone:  Once Again ... This person needs to get his    so-called "facts" straight.  Because, IN FACT, I DO have a cell phone!  I simply didn't chose to use it for THIS.  I decided to use my landline because I didn't want to end-up with a sky-high cellular bill.  

#4:  My Expenses:  Who are YOU to tell me that I should have NO Problem paying MY bills?  You OBVIOUSLY have NO IDEA what MY expenses are!  (student loans, ridiculously inflated medical bills due to lack of health insurance, credit cards, etc.)  All that On Top Of rent, utilities, food for 2, the list goes on & on.  Seeing as THIS is my ONLY source of income currently ... And with how Terribly SLOW business has been for EVERYONE lately ... It's NO WONDER I've been in a financial jam lately!

** SO, SHAME ON YOU Something Rotten **

Your CRUEL post was obviously intended to make Me look like a completely irresponsible person.  Your remarks were a feeble attempt (at best) to plant seeds of doubt in the minds of Hobbyists & Providers alike.  I take offense at the things you have insinuated here!  SHAME ON YOU for abusing what was a genuine extension of trust on my part.  ( how silly of me, to think that I could actually trust someone!)  

I admit, some of the things that you included in your post (ie: my SDGE situation, lack of car, where I live, etc.) show that you HAVE met me or at least have spoken to me at some point recently.  But don't think that (because I let my guard down a little bit with you) that you know EVERY intimate detail of my personal life.  You would be sorely mistaken to do so!  
Sadly, all this unfortunate incident has taught me is that I cannot count on others to respect my privacy.  

I do not know what it is that YOU have against ME that you felt you HAD TO go onto a PUBLIC DISCUSSION BOARD and air what you thought were my dirty little secrets.  If you had a problem with ME personally, then why not e-mail me DIRECTLY so WE could have it out like adults??  
WHY do you instead choose to hide behind an ALIAS & verbally attack my character?  I Mean, What have I done that has been SO OFFENSIVE to YOU that you felt the need to try & destroy my reputation as a Provider here on TER?  
How Spiteful ... How Viscious... How Cruel ...
INDEED, HOW ROTTEN!!   :(

Hi Lara, I understand how you feel, and I'd like to explain why the post was allowed.  As you well know, the discussion boards always have differing opinions on just about every subject.  I felt that "somethingrottens" post was his uninformed opinion.  I believe he was critical without knowing any details of your situation, which makes his opinion lack credibility.  I thought others would realize this and respond or not respond as they desired.  Yes, it was mean and probably should have been deleted on that basis alone, but censorship is something I try to avoid if at all possible.  There are always going to be negative people on the boards and a lot of times their posts liven things up and make us think.  Other times, as with somethingrotten, their posts only expose their own ignorance.  I make mistakes as moderator and always appreciate it when someone points them out or calls me on them.  I hope in the long run it will make me a better moderator and make this board a better place to enjoy.  Now regarding your review, moderators have nothing to do with those. Reviews are handled by the folks at TER who actually get paid (lol).  Sedagive.

I truly do appreciate your response.  And, NO ... I do not harbor any hard feelings against YOU personally for deciding to post somethingrotten's  message.  I understand NOW why you chose to do so, and I thank you for it!  I can only hope that others look upon it in the same light that you did.  :)

After giving this some thought, I must say, I've gotta agree with you:  Censorship Should Be Avoided Unless It Is Absolutely Necessary.  And this situation in particular certainly didn't call for that.  I suppose a more appropriate response would be for Me to grow a thicker skin.  So, from here on out, I'll try not to sweat the stuff that I KNOW ISN'T TRUE, okay?

Thanks Again ~ Sincerely ~ LARA

YOU ROCK MAN!

-- Modified on 8/13/2003 12:13:16 PM


put the message on hold and privately contacted the poster asking them to rephrase what they had to say.

As TER has CLEARLY indicated, these ARE moderated forums. Moderated forums mean censorship is acceptable, although not always appreciated by those being censored.

You could have ALSO asked other moderators for opinions about the post.

JBIRDCA, thanks for the suggestions.  I will certainly consider them for future decisions.  I always appreciate input of this nature.  Sedagive.

You really need to consider the negative impact hot-headed, hasty responses can have on your business. By explaining yourself in the manner that you have above, you will have certainly left a negative impression with some. Needless to say, that can translate into fewer bookings and hence lower revenue.  Your response is very hostile... not a desired quality most men find attractive in a woman! You are far to much on the defensive... it's not necessary. All you needed to do was politely respond in an astute and maybe even sarcastic way... not explain yourself in detail while attacking the individual who criticized you and condemning the moderator for posting the message. By doing so, you've revealed that you lack  self restraint, that you're easily agitated and aggravated, and that you are overly sensitive to people's comments. You appear way to confrontational, contentious... which just isn't good for business.


Pecker

I actually got the opposite feeling.  I felt her response was measured and appropriate given the tone of the original post.  She described her situation and answered each of the accusations made by the original poster.  I have far more respect for her now than before this whole incident.

AliBabaSD

Although the rest of your post was right on, the thing that struck me the most is that you called the police on someone who was abusing their child.  Many people woud be afraid to do so, especially given what you think was the retaliation that this idiot gave you.  

Is there anything worse in this world, people, than someone who would hurt a child?  If anyone ever hears this going on, please do what is right, like Lara did, and call for help.  Someday, you just might save a life.

Oh c'mon now... "the thing that struck me the most is that you called the police on someone who was abusing their child." Where you touched emotionally?  Maybe the guy was just disciplining his child so that the kid doesn't turn out be some gangster loser. How the hell do you, or she for that matter, even know the child was being abused. Maybe the guy just spanks his kid... so what! Some of these kids need to be spanked. Weren't you  spanked when you were a kid? There's nothing wrong with discipline. It teaches morals and respect, something a lot of kids lack nowadays.

Pecker

Dude, you obviously seem to think that the younger generation is to blame for all the ills in modern society.

I gave Lara the credit for knowing the difference beween a parent disciplining their child and abusing their child.  As she is a grown woman, I don't think this was an overly generous decision on my part.  Of course, there is no way to know whether it truly was abuse or not, unless you have access to the family or police records.  However, as someone who has been exposed to children who were abused, molested, or threatened, I would rather have someone err on the side of concern ANY DAY!  Kids get killed from abuse...no one ever died of embarrassment from the police visiting.

I made my post primarily because too many people are afraid to get involved in neighbor's issues until it is too late.  Child dies from abuse, wife is shot dead, children are scarred for life from domestic violence...these things happen, and many times neighbors know it is happening, but are too afraid to get involved.  Lara had the balls to do what she thought was right, whether it was actually abuse or not.  I will commend that anyday...she may have been wrong, but for all you know, she was right.

I do believe in discipline, personally.  However, anyone who needs to raise their voice so much in disciplning their child that their neighbor can hear and feel that the parent is being abusive is doing it incorrectly.

As for discipling teaching respect, given how many boderline disrespectful posts I have seen you make, what's your excuse?

Yes, I was touched emotionally...Lara cared enough to take a chance on something she wasn't sure about, for the possible sake of a child...as opposed to sitting back and cynically complaining about how bad things are these days.  Caring, no matter how potentially misguided, is much more moving than cynicism.

I'd just like to clarify the "Abuse" situation for Pecker & anyone else who had a problem with my reporting it.  

I was sitting at my computer when I heard the smacks ...All in All there were at least 10+ of them.  This, of course, was followed by a child howling & sobbing & begging him to "STOP!"  Now, the fact that I was able to hear all this with my own front door being shut... By the way, upon inspection, I found HIS door was ALSO closed.  When you consider all of these things, wouldn't you NOW agree that it was FAR beyond a simple spanking?  MY definition of a spanking is a couple of swats on the behind & then being sent to your room.  1 or 2 being sufficient enough to get your point accross.  But THIS guy ... He is probably 6'3" and weighs well-over 200lbs!  Can you imagine how that must've felt to a 4-year-old child??  Let's just put it this way ... If you were to have heard a recording of MY phonecall to the police... I was literally IN TEARS!  And as for HOW he found-out that I was the one who called ...When I went outside to see what was going on, the little neighbor boy was standing outside his door as well.  He was crying & calling his friends' name saying, "What's Wrong, Timmy?!?"  His mother had to come out & get him.  (now if THAT don't choke ya up ...)Perhaps that, combined with the fact that I ALSO reported this to our landlord ... I'm sure that SOMEONE ended-up telling HIM that I was outside HIS door, that's all.

I'd also like to address the comments (that I think were) made by Pecker regarding my initial response to SomethingRotten.  He felt that I completley over-reacted, or I think he put it this way:  He thought that I should have said something Sarcastic in response instead of addressing the comment directly.
Now if that doesn't sound like bad advice, then I don't know what is!  I mean, we've ALL heard the saying that "Sarcasm is THE LOWEST Form of Humor".  First of All, It doesn't require an ounce of intelligence.  More importantly, it doesn't deal with the issue at hand!  It would be more along the lines of attacking The Person instead of The Issue.  That's Logic 101, Pecker.  (ie: formulating sound arguements)  So, I'm afraid I'm gonna have to disregard your advice.  *SORRY*

Oh, and as far as your "concern" regarding my attitude & response being "bad for business" ... Well, that couldn't be more off-base than your advising me to Use Sarcasm!  As a matter of fact, Pecker, so far YOU are THE ONLY person who has stated that they find MY response to be inappropriate.  I have gotten an overwhelming response (both e-mails & phonecalls alike) telling me how IMPRESSED they were with my response.  To quote a few, I "showed a lot of class" and handled things "most apropriately".  So, I'm afraid that you're pretty much on your own here with your views, Pecker. (re: Child Abuse -vs- Spanking and the reporting of such behavior  AND  whether-or-not I REACTED Apropriately to the above posts)  GEEZ ... Just writing those words down alone has shown me HOW RIDICULOUS they are!  
I Mean, WHO are YOU to tell SOMEONE ELSE if THEY are REACTING APROPRIATLEY or NOT?!?  (It's Ludicrous)

Lastly, I'd just like to state for the record that I am IN NO WAY working for, nor am I affiliated with, the cops.  I haven't made ANY calls, nor have I named ANY names.  What happened to ME may have happened to someone else.  At least that's what is being said.  But all I know is what happend to ME.  I'm not about to comment on a situation I know nothing about!  

So, if it's just too much for you to comprehend that the SAME scenario could have happened to More than 1 Provider, well, I don't know what to say about that!  Maybe someone is going around trying to make himself feel important.  Or, perhaps he is trying to make the girls feel grateful to HIM for "choosing to" let them go.  Who Knows?  I sure wish I did!  
All I know is, I had a close call & Thank God I didn't get arrested!  The details of MY situation (I've been told) are damn near identical to ANOTHER local Provider's.  So this has got to make you stop & think ... What the Hell is going on here folks??
Are the cops laying the groundwork for some GREATER plan which has yet to be hatched?  Or is this just some guy who enjoys creating drama & watching it unfold?
I'd appreciate your take on this particular situation.

Sincerely ~ LARA


Okay Sed... I'll try again. Maybe my earlier response was just misdirected?

All the advice in the world will not help you now... as a provider, you're basically finished! So, for your sake, I do hope that you can apply what you learned in Logic 101 to earn your living.

Pecker



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aka "somethingrotten"-- you've probably made your point by now.

Let's play ball...............LARA, heh, heh

I'll even donate a freakin pager for ya gurl

heardit25989 reads

Lara, next time you report your neighbors, talk more quietly and report anonymously. Are you not smart enough to do that in the first place? I know, you are putting out fires now. As for those of you that are worried about posting under alias, when we are dealing with supposed rat finks, think about it. Why would we hang our own asses out to be worked as well? Posting here or on the national board is meant to inform.  It isn't doing myself a favor or Lara a disservice. Best to give voice to the whisperings. She's proven to be quite full of explanations.  Shouldn't you all have a chance to decide? No one person should be judge and jury.

Man are you ever stupid.  Earlier, Lara's claim, quoted below, was just a claim.  Now you've come out and confirmed it.  Certainly seems to shed some light on this campaign of slander and terror.
And if that's being a rat fink, I'd be proud to join the ranks.

What's that?  You say I've got it all wrong?  Then enlighten me, not with sneers and whispers and threats, but with FACTS, if you know what those are.


" Well, it just so happens that the night before ALL this I  placed a call to SDPD.  I reported my neighbor for beating on his little 4-year-old son.  And, strangely enough, I find that my outside phone lines were cut the Very Next Day!  Gee ... Now, I Wonder WHO Might've Done THAT??

I get the message:  "If you call the cops on ME, then I will make it impossible for YOU to call ANYONE!"  
Well, I cannot allow his (however thinly veiled) threats to intimidate Me.  After all, SOMEONE needed to give that child a voice, Right?!?  "

So you bury your real message in the middle of an unrelated thread on the National board, while here you confine yourselves to incoherent ravings.  What, pray tell, was the point of that maneuver?

Sedona backs up your claims, so I can't dismiss the subject out of hand, but then she appeared to be only talking about the scam, not pointing at any individual.  Then the NE webmaster says Lara's clean.  Is he part of the evil cabal as well?  

Oh, since it's your responsibilty, if you choose to accept it, I leave it to you to post a link to the relevant discussion.

Folks the CRAP on this thread is unbelivable!!  For those who have not seen Lara, you are missing a GREAT experience and wonderful person.  I saw her last night and we discussed this thread.  There are some really hurtful people out there!!  Remember kindness goes a LONG way.

Nuff of this petty BS.  You guys are REALLY lucky to have the quality providers you have here in SD.  Some of us from the "outback" really enjoy what you take for granted.  I have found two very special women here in SD ... Lara is one of them!!  Don't pick on her; but, rather go on with your lives.

Hey Lara,

Just a note to let you know that these same kinds of mean postings have been prevalent lately on many different boards. Maybe it's the heat or maybe just the economy. You are one of the best!  People who intentionally try to hurt others are lower than low.  Keep on being you.  You have a lot of fans out here.

Not One To Talk4545 reads

The only real LOSERS are providers who rat out other providers. That's my 2 cents worth.

ironhelix0075819 reads

Has there been a full moon recently where the effects haven't worn off yet?  :-)

ne_webmaster6817 reads

I can't believe that we have taken this BS to TER.

I have given my position on this issue to those of you who asked me to look in to it.  All I have to say is that Lara has earned the right to advertise on NE and continues to have that right.  

I am saddened and pissed that a few other providers have caused this flinging of the BS.  I never thought it would happen.

Yes gentlemen, the BS is being generated from another provider.  Take whatever stock you want from that.

I suppose I'd better make clear from the beginning that I know Lara by reputation only.  We've never met nor so much as exchanged email.

OK, that out of the way, I guess I have to confess to being much more naive than I thought I was.  We have a couple of posters on this board who are always more than happy to say something nasty in response to anything posted by any provider.  I thought this was just more of the same.

I suppose the fact that all the mud is coming from two aliases and a "member" whose first and only posts are on this thread should have clued me to something.  Oh well, live and learn.

There's one bright spot in all this.  I simply can't believe that any member on this board not directly involved in whatever "this issue" is could possibly take these smears and innuendos seriously.  Whoever you are out there, documented facts, if you have any, go a lot further here.

Most of us are happily ignorant of the internal politics of the escort community.  I suspect that before all is said and done we'll know more than we ever wanted to.

supergirl4465 reads

If only things were that simple..I have always taken pride in the fact that I am able to remain objective and wait to give any type of heads ups to the board until I am sure of certain things. Since You people here rightfully want facts I will give them to you. I am only including some of them as I do not want to air the dirty laundry of certain providers here on this board.  so that you may better understand why Lara is in question and not being simply slandered by a discontented provider.

First of all none of the ladies at NE have been arrested as a result of this.
Over the last two month specific providers have been contacted by other providers that had a story to tell about nearly being busted by a collared John. They were all let go because the john thought them too sweet and nice to bust them...during the ensuing conversations questions were asked about client lists and referrals and then later a request for a double with the provider and a regular. While to the layman this may sound like nothing but this has been done so many times before that I Know that this story is not legit. I am not saying that lara Is a snitch...I am saying that whether she realizes it or not she is being set up to become one. This same ruse was used by a lady at a service that I worked for who was busted but then set free on the contingent that she record conversations with certain individuals to aid in LE's fishing expedition. This method costs them little money and by targeting the ladies that can be easily pressured they can gain alot of information.

They are also using collared johns to garner information here and to set up providers in exchange for a lesser or dropped charge.
AN example of this is the confusion about who was legit after the whole sumie issue. Well sumie matches the description of a known vice officer so i am sure that was their reason for targeting her. Her pics change to those of a provider from far away and her number becomes a know lE phone number...then the shit starts to happen..then as the public awareness heats up sumie goes back to her original ad and pics and sees several individuals ...they review her and dispel the notion that she is a cop...which is true...the real Sumie is not a cop...but she now has reviews from cops in her profile and these guys start to build confidence around here.

They also have a female LE that is average build and blonde. Think silky kyla with the blurred face. Now they are targeting other blondes preferably that blur their face in their ads...there is a pattern people and that is what I do watch for the patterns and remember everything they have done here and in other communities..(thank you google news search) and compare the actions and evidence as it come in.

No one should take a referral right now espeically for a girl that you can not 100 percent ascertain is the same lady in the photo. DO NOT discuss anything that has to do with money or personal information that could be used against you. Stay away from providers that you know or reasonably suspect have dependency issues. Go with providers that screen well...this may sound odd but these are the ladies that are least likely to have a problem with the powers that be...If LE want your info they arenot going to make the provider get it from you to book. They more than likely will just shake you down once you have gotten there.
If you get a pM here on TER from someone you do not know do not let them flatter you with their reasons for contacting you ...just do not answer them at all.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.  If the issue had been presented this way from the beginning, a lot of confusion, misunderstanding, and bad feeling could have been avoided.  I'm not saying I agree down to the last dot on the last "i" but here's a rational statement of facts and opinion that allows me to rationally evaluate it.  But then your posts have always been well thought out and well presented.

Since I first posted I've learned about the phone calls from several sources.  I have no remaining doubt that this has actually occurred.  I withold judgement on the role of any individual at this time.  Too many wheels within wheels and too much information I don't have.

It's kind of amazing really.  How could anyone expect such a story to be believed?  Since when did busted johns have the power of arrest?  Or maybe they were supposed to "buzz" the real cops if the girl took the money but refrained.  Right, and blow their own plea deal to hell and gone.  Sorry, but there ain't that many heros among us hobbyists.

The original posters could not have put their case less effectively if they'd planned it that way.  I think the typical TER hobbyist is a nice guy and fair minded.  We learned the look and feel of a vindictive flame long ago, and how to react to it.  Talk about fitting a pattern; reread the posts starting with the first by somethingRotten from the viewpoint of the hobbyist I've described who also has none of the background information you've just given.  If I'm wrong here, please explain to me where I've erred.

I could go on and on but this has gotten long enough.  Thanks again for a thoughtful and informative post.

heardit24846 reads

Just maybe if you were the one on the other end of the questioned provider's subsequent calls, (I doubt lara tried this on supergirl) knowing what she'd allowed herself to become, whether willingly or unwittingly,
you'd understand the bad feelings.  Her stories are fraught with inconsistencies, holes and red flags.  Just the calls have jeopardized entire families.  And her actions dragging girls out in the worst way, asking for help, getting it from her most "close friends" has made things horrifically, worse, for these are felonious actions in the eyes of the law. Maybe now you'll take a step back and see things for what they are, and that her handlers here on the board are still hoping that you'll see her as a tasty treat. Otherwise her usefulness is over. Our wagons are circled, we won't be touched thanks to the few that stepped up to the plate and spoke their minds.  Even completely closed camp. Take it all in a weigh it. Nothing Supergirl said was really new to the thread. I again point you to the national board, Get the linkmeister to link it. Supergirl just has established legitimacy and "spoke up" much later in the "game".

The original thread started out as something different so yo have to read down to see the SD information.

I was recently contactd, thorugh PM, from someone I hadn't heard or seen on these boards. He/she was seeking information about a certain provider. I believe LE has it tenticles out there right now and would advise all to exercise extreme caution in all communications. Be safe and happy hunting!!

Most of us who have been on the board for a while have been aware for months of LE activity: fake reviews, posts to DB, and the kind of PM requests you describe.  But there are always newbies coming on board who don't have the background.  It's a good thing to bring them up to speed on this issue.

My generic reply goes something like
   Sorry I can't help you out, and nobody else is likely to.          
   Nothing personal.  Search the board with "sting" as keyword
   and you'll understand.

Doesn't seem to give out any sensitive information, and if it's really an innocent newbie, why offend him?  Others' thoughts on this would be appreciated.

ne_webmaster41811 reads

Little do you actually know.....

I am so glad the guys around here can see through the BS.

The most responsible thing to do with unsubstantiated claims is to take it for what it's worth and act accordingly for yourself.  Embellishing it and trying to destroy someone is the lowest thing I've seen here in this business.

Of course, what can we expect from someone hiding behind an alias....  "heardit2"  - Your alias just screams "hearsay" - which is all the evidence you have.  I pray that you never get jury duty - the poor bastard won't stand a chance because you "heardit2".

Here's what I actually know.
1) The LE scam phone calls are real.  Sedona backs that up on her National board posts and that's good enough for me.

2) Nobody has "stepped up to the plate" as themself to "legitimize" these accusations.  All we've got is, I heard from somebody who heard from somebody who was told by somebody that Lara's been ONE OF SEVERAL (I'll come back to this later) who have been making these calls.

3) Nobody has bothered to deny Lara's claim that she called SDPD about child abuse.  Indeed heardit2 has told the world "Lara, next time you report your neighbors, talk more quietly and report anonymously. Are you not smart enough to do that in the first place? ".  

4) Nobody denies her claim about the cutting of her phone line.

5) This campaign begins during the time frame of (3) and (4)

6) There's not a breath about any of the other supposed LE fink providers.  Surely somebody somewhere is angry about them as well.

7) Nobody even takes the trouble to make the LE tie-in until someone (happened to me, but that's irellevant) demanded some facts along with the invective.  Just flat out spewing of anger.

I don't know about any of the rest of you, but this is starting to create a picture in my mind.  But I won't state a hard conclusion at this time, because I'm sure there's a whole lot I do not know, and

"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data.  Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts."

Why would anybody bother with somebody who has the slightest doubt for now?  If there are many people who are questioning the motives of somebody else, why take the chance.  I try to be fair but I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday either.

Even though I'm not part of any accusations, I'm still going to think with the right head!

supergirl7708 reads

I did not mention the other girls Names as they have yet to come forward about the incident...they should have knowledge of the fact that their stories are being questioned but have remained silent. Also one of the other providers that is in question was not able to be 100percoent verifiable as actually having been person that she claimed to be. Her number was either blocked or fell off the persons phone before she had a chance or bvecame suspicous enough to try and verify that it was her. Her best friend another provider that called to vouch for the story her friend gave called from a blocked telephone number. Lara was simply the straw that broke the camels back and the only one that was actually known and socialized with by several of the NE escorts.

I will say that it is possible that a campaign is being waged by some guy or possible even LE to make us paranoid and to effect our business without necessarily being an attempt to gain information. This tactic HAS been used in the past thought to do that. There has been other suspicous events that may or may not be related. there realluy is no way of knowing for sure though. For one Eris at NE has had several suspicous IM's a few of them using one of the ladies in question as a references in an attempt to join NE without revealing any personal information.

there also have been alot of other recent attempts by ladies unknown to the contacted to warn them about something or to beg them "to be their friend" yes that is a quote from an actual e-mail. These things have occurred to a select few ladies who could very likely be viewed by LE as being key figures in the SD scenes due to their willingness to helop out the new ladies and anyone that needs advice...these contacts were far from typical and not in a context of seeking advice. They were out of the blue and included questions that could be very incriminating...mainly the question of whether or not they kept a client list.

Lara I feel for what you are going through but I also can understand why the people who have spoken up about you did. But then I know more than I am willing to share here as I think lra and this whole thing has been beaten enough. Let me just say that we should all remain careful and the ladies and hobbyists should be very wary of who they are associating with these days.

carpevinum5965 reads

http://theeroticreview.com/msgBoard/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=56561&boardID=12&page=2

Someone insinuated something very serious about you. I'd like to see you address this accusation.

I don't know exactly what is going on here because I didn't read the whole thread. All I have to say is you are one of the best I've seen in twenty years.

hope everything is okay with you.

the pervert

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