...here's something to ponder.

http://theeroticreview.com/msgBoard/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=117387&boardID=12&page=1

The details at this point seem to be sketchy and at this point it is not clear that this tragic death was related to her activities as a provider.

Perhaps not even the most stringent screening could prevent this from happening.

Nonetheless it is a stark reminder of the senseless violence that women in our society can be subjected to all too often.

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http://theeroticreview.com/msgBoard/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=14807&boardID=10&page=1



-- Modified on 11/23/2004 10:19:12 PM

Actually it highlights why you do not want to provide information to a provider, because if it was murder all of her clients (even the innocent ones)are suspects and part of a murder investigation.  If she required screening the cops have all the client information and now the clients might as well pencil in appointments with the cops because it is only a matter of time before the calls start coming.  The clients should be praying that these cops were not watching "Law and Order" the night before and decide that the best time for an interview is at work during business hours or at home around dinner time.  While screening may result in vengenance for this poor soul it also may screw a lot of innocent folks who just wanted some companionship.  Especially if it had nothing to do with her profession

Tangelo - I say this somewhat 'tongue-in-cheek'... The most stringent screeners say that they 'shred' the information they receive.  Yeah right - and I have a bridge for sale.  Anyhow, I'm with you.  How enjoyable would it be if an officer shows up at your house while the wife and kids are there.  Can you say 'marriage over'?

One of the vilest individuals that I have come across in the hobby has over 50 reviews, and is a respected member of this community. He never reviewed me, so you will never have someone such as myself giving him a vote of approval. Many of the providers that he has seen, are not even in this state. If you run a complete background check on him, nothing comes up. When I ceased all contact with him, he concocted a whole new identity and I nearly did not catch it in time before I scheduled him. Another individual that I have not seen was allegedly violent and abusive to providers. He publicly acknowledged that it was he, and I am not clear on what happened subsequently, however on another board both of these individuals are filed on a DNS list.

I am sure that these individuals are upright and somewhat morally inclined citizens in their 9-5 capacity, however there are things that just don't fire right in their heads, and no amount of screening will cover those individuals. Common sense sometimes is not even enough. I think I have been extremely lucky myself with only one bad apple in this year.

On a lighter note, since my last ad posting here in SD, I have had one more person pass my careful screening, so I think I will mosey on down and say hello soon. Happy Thanksgiving.

Girls, ALWAYS know exactly who you are with before you consent to a first date.  Always let someone know where to find the information on who you were with and check in just prior and just after a date.  Just practicing these simple rules makes a lady less likely to be "messed" with.

With most of us, discretion is a two way street.  We'd only ever save and give out information on a guy we consider dangerous.  (That would be like one in a million~~although it does happen.)

Otherwise we just dispose of the information and delete the info on our hard drives... also changing hard drives more frequently than some of you change the oil in your cars.

xo
Elise

However just think of all of the idiotic freaks you've screened OUT by careful verification.  The bad guys normally don't even think of dealing with those of us that take super precaution.

You have to trust your gut in the end, anyway.

But you're so right about the violence.  An escort was murdered in a guy's home in El Cajon several years back.  He didn't even bother to move the body out of his house.  Just left it in a Sea Bag (he was navy) for his wife to discover when she returned home.

One caveat, that girl was working for an escort service... easy pickings~~and possibly the reason LE is so hardcore about enforcing laws pertaining to such.

xoxo
Elise

...that there are many in this communty who would take issue with the premise you have presented. I would certainly hope that this woman's tragic death would not become the latest argument to be used to justify trying to circumvent the screening process or to coerce providers into relaxing there screening methods.

There is without a doubt some risk involved in participating in this community on both sides of the equation. Having said that I am still convinced that the preponderance of risk, and most especially the risk of some violent encounter, lies with providers.

Simply put there will always be some level of risk, you cannot hope to reduce risk to an absolute zero level. Each of us should make an assessment of the risk that we are willing to accept and act accordingly. In this community it is certainly important to do your homework.

Those who choose not to provide the required screening information should simply move on to someone who doesn't require any screening, or the most lax screening, without whining. Of course then you have to ask if she doesn't screen, how might that put me at risk???

Something like this young woman's death is fairly infrequent thankfully, but NOT infrequent enough(obviously once is too much). From that standpoint alone it is highly unlikely that anyone of us would find ourselves in a situation as you describe where we would be suspect, and subject to an investigation. Not impossible, but unlikely. Beyond that neither you or I am in a position to know with certainty what information she may have had in her posession with respect to previous clients. "The cops have all the client information"... you have no way of knowing that.

In the end it is something of a balancing act. The provider has to balance her need to be safe and secure against the client's need to protect his personal information and vice versa.



-- Modified on 11/24/2004 10:30:00 PM

-- Modified on 11/24/2004 11:51:06 PM

I am sure that all your clients are quite relieved at your level of professionalism, but I would not risk my reputation and life on your trail covering skills.  For instance you say that you delete the messages.  But computer experts are quite good at recovering deleted information.  No information that is stored electronically is ever truly deleted unless you find the exact place in the memory where it is stored and write over it or you physically destroy the hard drive.  Now I know that if you are going to respond to this message you are going to say that you have purchased software to do this, but again I would not risk it.  

Also it is not just the Murder investigations that clients are concerned about. If for some reason LE decides to switch to trying to catch the clients along with the providers then you are at risk.  Also you realize that the IRS has the ability to subpoena documents and records if it believes that you are not paying taxes.  Heck the IRS can actually seize your computers.  Lets not even talk about providers who have their cell phones and blackberrys on them when they get pinched for solicitation and the information that can be recovered from those things.

Finally, it is all about the level of risk you are willing to withstand.  If you believe that your worry should stop once you are out the door and on the way home then you probably should think twice when you are asked to provide a plethora of info.  If on the otherhand you don't mind the possibility of a knock on your door or a phone call a month or two after the warm afterglow has faded then by all means you should provided everything under the sun without a moment of hesitation.

There are indeed dangers to providers.  I understand why they screen.

I am willing to provide references, but never again will I provide personal information.  It was once used by a provider in a blackmail attempt.

Also, the contact that I've had with providers leads me to believe the majority do not destroy information shortly after a session.  They keep it on file.

I do the best I can at screening............. but when it comes time to make final arrangements for the meeting it comes down to a telephone conversation. In those very few fleeting moments is when I make a desicion to see or not see a client.
Be it the training I had when I was dancing in clubs, or just gut intuition. But I can tell by intonation in a persons voice, and their demenor wether or not I should see them.
Only once did I not listen and it almost got me in trouble. I now know to listen to my intuition "gut" feeling all the time. Do I sometimes  blow off a potentialy good client? Well maybe? But I am still alive, and I have never been in trouble (knock on my head.....errrr I mean wood)
Getting back to the above post............ NM you better get to SD soon!


Cheers!
Kyliesd x0x0x