It's a common question, but really what? Is it looks? I didn't necessary find it to be the case. Performance? Not really. I know providers can choose to charge whatever they want,  but what do hobbyists get for it? There is another angle to it though. A few years back a very popular provider in Vegas suddenly doubled her rates overnight from 500 to 1000. When asked why, she said she only did it to reduce the amount of work she was doing. She also admitted that she very quickly lost 50% of her clients. But since the other 50% were now paying twice as much, she was making the same $$ while doing half the work. Isn't math great!! Of course, she was popular and it was Vegas. A girl who tries to do the same in SD,  will probably lose 90% of her business.

To me I find it hard to rationalize a provider rate increase without something more being offered.

Example: I started as Goldie at my current rate. Yes. My current rate.  
However - since the creation of the top 100 list you will see ladies come in at a lower rate then get their 20th review and land high on the list only to have their rate suddenly be much higher from their new ranking on the list. They think the can charge more now they are "highly rated" or listed among ladies with higher rates. And often times they do well.

Nobody was over 500 hourly in SD before I came in at 600 (one girl was but she was still 500 for locals, 1000 touring). And then the top 100 list was created and now 600 seems to be almost like the new 500. Which is great I think! I swear, on another site the rates kept going lower and lower for the full GFE and I think all the undercutting was affecting the average hourly rate. If average was 300 then a special would be like 250. If enough girls do that special then the norm and expectation becomes that 250 is the average. These are just example numbers - I don't really remember the details.

I have seen one provider in the top 10 here go up and down over the years from 500 - 600 and back again. Originally she was posting for less than that.

 

So to answer your question - I don't know what you would get for 800 from that provider that you wouldn't have gotten for her old rate of 300 since the ad doesn't mention services. Not that she is the person we are talking about of course, just using that price shift as an example. In my opinion 800 is worth it if she came in at it otherwise it's a price set by the rating system, her own need to reduce volume or has another income so this takes a back burner and only is available for the high ticket dates.

Some men like the higher rate because in their head that means lower volume.

 
This is just my take.

I did raise my rates to 1000 per hour at one point but that was to be more exclusive to a certain date who made an arrangement with me monthly. Once that ended I dropped back to my original Goldie hourly and have stayed there. But even when I raised my rate my multi hour options were still the same (except 2 hour).

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How about a little goody bag like airlines give in First Class? Or the macadamia nuts from the mini bar on on her?

Congrats to any business that can double their rates and not affect the bottom line. Wish I could.

Is somewhat closer to what Goldie already wrote, but still, pretty much nothing.  Like Goldie said, if she can justify it, good for her!  But if not, then it's her loss of business she'll inevitably face.  

I have a limit I won't surpass that's based on my experiences with many providers of all price ranges.  From what I've learned, higher rates will not guarantee better service.  At the end of the session, after you've said your goodbyes, when you ask yourself if you really needed to spend $600, kniwing very well there are a ton of great providers for well under $300, you'll understand what I'm saying.  

To this day, my very best sessions have come from girls I've met in Tijuana, who don't charge anything remotely close to $600.  Yes, I know exchange rates work in our favor, but my point remains money does not buy a good session.  

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will both get you where you need to go. Pick what suits your needs. No one is twisting your arm to pay more than you want to. It's not a timeshare presentation.

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Being a relative newcomer, I have raised my rates, so yes, the same service was initially available for a lower price.  

Why would someone raise her rates? If you're completely unknown, all the early people who see you are essentially TOFTT, so lower rates entice those to try you out, and you can avoid any ethical questions of offering a discount for a review. Pray tell, what is the rationale to continue to offer TOFTT prices to new clients when you're no longer TOFFT? While I absolutely love doing this, it's a side activity for me, and I don't consider myself a charity. Do you really want to be with a woman who does not have at least a little self-confidence? For those of you who love to gripe about prices, I also haven't hit my market cap; I fill my limited calendar, and I barely advertise. That means that I could charge more, and it's only laziness on my part not to; I'm as much of a sucker to inertia as any. Would I lose some prospective clients? Probably, but all I need to do is attract a few of those who appreciate me and what I offer, which, by the way, is a real turn-on! It is a turn-off that some of you guys think we ladies are interchangeable, and part of pricing strategy is to deter people who think that.

What is different about ladies who charge even higher rates? In a few cases, it's probably nothing in terms of looks or performance. However, with other ladies, you can tell they have amassed a devoted following, so it's clear at least a few guys find something quite special from the experience. Also, as Goldie mentioned, sometimes price is more about volume for ladies; some have an earnings goal to meet and set their price accordingly. *IF* a lady is priced too high for the market and/or her goals, I am sure you will soon see her offering specials or lowering her rate. *IF* you don't see her doing that, you can assume she is doing just fine at her current rate. If you think it's too high, you're certainly entitled to that opinion, but if others pay it, then why begrudge her from being a savvy businesswoman? As an analogy, some hair stylists charge $15 a haircut and others charge >$100. If you are perfectly content with the $15 haircut, go for it, but why the need to constantly question the value of the $100 stylist? You can argue that the same basic service is provided - scissors come in contact with hair! - at both price points, but some will argue they get more out of the $100 stylist, and others will argue their hair style doesn't need that "extra." Some see value where others do not. Occasionally very talented people start off at the $15 places, so if you've found one of those gems, stick with it while you can.  

The complaints about rates are a regular off-putting feature of our regional board and sound like sour grapes. Some of you guys are looking to find relief and entertainment, and some of you need connection, chemistry, and conversation. Some of you only want to spend 30 mins with a lady. Some of you book 4 hours or longer. Everyone wants something different out of this, and hopefully people find what they want at a price they can afford. If what you really want is out of your budget, save up as you would for any other hobby or desire.

As for Tijuana, I have no doubt some great ladies are there, but last time I checked, rents/mortgages in San Diego were >5x higher, so thinking a lady on this side of the border will charge a similar rate is ludicrous. If you are happy with girls in TJ, go down there, but to expect ladies here to compete with their rates is ridiculous. While it's easy to cross the border, it still takes time, and that's not a commodity that everyone has or else the SD rates would be lower. Others with limited Spanish may want more conversation than they would get down in TJ as well. It's a different market, and prices reflect that.

Goldie, I love the fact you are willing to respond to questions like this with your perspective. Bravo! Worth the read, too.

It was a doubles session with a well known San Diego Milf and a friend of hers.  

In my experience, the difference between most 800 dollar prices and 300 dollar prices is exactly 500 dollars. That's it. Now, go back to the last line and notice I did write "most."

The prices a lady charges is set by the market. It's as simple as that. If she gets the business she wants/needs at a higher rate then she'll charge the higher rate. If the market won't provide her the income she needs/wants, she'll have to drop her rate. The opposite is just as true.  

In San Diego, there is a market average for a GFE. Some charge higher and some less. So, for us guys, it comes down to the lady and our personal likes, dislikes, needs and desires. Goldie and Kerri each hit the nail on the head while making excellent points.  

I am restricted from seeing several ladies I would like because my budget won't allow it. I could do what Kerri suggests and save up but, my wants and needs get in the way of that.  

So many fine ladies and not enough money or time. What's a guy to do? Thank God for grandfathering!

Like most guys I have a fantasy of being with more than one woman at the same time. Three, I don't know. There's got to be a line some place where it becomes a distraction.

For a one time thing to live out a fantasy, I can see paying the premium for the experience because, in my case, it would probably be just that one time and hopefully a time to remember!

So, Hidden Hills, I'm sure glad you had a good time because it would have been a real waste if you didn't! Right?

I should add that I have considered raising my hourly but keeping the other rates the same frequently simply to have more time to accommodate longer dates and my close friends. I didn't mean in any way to disparage any ladies who have raised their rates - like everything, things get more expensive. If things continue to raise in price like housing and education we can expect to see a raise in the average hourly also.

Like ma mama used to say - shit getting expensive these days! Or hearing grandpa talk about cola being a nickel.  

Thank God I have extra time - Retired at 45 and extra money$$ - lot of it and I still choose to pay a MAXIMUM of $300/hour.  Like Bic54 - I also love TJ.  Yes there is a little hassle factor and NO I could care less about the cost of anything but a good lay in TJ.  If I wanted conversation or a long term arrangement I would be on Match.com.  I am not really sure what others get by paying 2 - 3 times above the average of $300/hr but god bless if they want to pay - go for it.  Not me with a heavy wallet and extra time.  You don't always get what you pay for at such high rates.

there are a few providers that I've met who are worth that donation to me.  
I met them when they were newer to the biz and based on performance/chemistry would never consider asking to be grandfathered.

Wow, I am really impressed with the thoughts that went into your reply.Clearly you have a great handle on world economics, both macro and micro, and I am guessing you run a very successful business outside of your hobby. In particular I would like to know more about this "market average for a GFE" that you reference. If you can share that with it would be forever grateful.
 Thank you.

I just read the reviews and look at the ladies' ads and web sites. From that alone it is pretty easy to get close to the average.

I'm not a businessman and I'm not too good at math. I just get by. But, thanks for the compliment.

I appreciate your opinion and willingness to contribute here...but really?  I'd imagine most of your clients aren't seeing you exclusively.  It's the nature of the business.

You start to notice trends.  It's not that hard.

the op asked a very straight forward question:  what do you get for $800 (per hour, i'm assuming).

and i'm afraid my answer is, not much.  i wish more, but rarely, no.

i have seen more than one lady at elite prices, and damn if it wasn't about the same as the ladies i see at more reasonable rates.  that is to say, it was just a girl doing ***** with me.

you would think that a higher rate would imply and include a better service:  more attention paid to detail, a cleaner incall, a woman who knows some secrets from the kama sutra or some weird sex manual, or at least a woman who really goes out of her way to make a connection with her client.

but i'm afraid that higher rates only mean 9 times out 10 a girl more full of herself.  and self confidence is not the same as egotism; in fact i would say egotism is the opposite of self confidence.

i understand having to raise rates, because everything is going up.  but there's raising rates and there's inflating rates.

here's what i'm getting at:  i've eaten at denny's, i've eaten at the four seasons.  the four seasons is price phenomenally higher than denny's.  but god it's worth it, because the folks at the four seasons work 20 times harder at giving an incredible experience than the clods at denny's.

so if a woman wants to charge more i'm going to expect to get more.  and you can complain all y ou want about guys thinking you ladies are interchangeable, but if you examine the facts, you'll realize it's the opposite:  a lady that gives me dynamite service at 5/hr is worth far more than a lady that gives so so service at 8.  i'll establish a relationship and give my repeat business to the dynamite 5/hr girl.

too often the 8/hr lady gives me the impression that i should consider myself lucky to be in the same room with her.

that's nuts.  

now, if you want to really really really work at giving me the time of my life, i'll consider a higher rate.  but if you're charging elite prices because the price of maintaining your beemer went up, well, that's the thinking of the 1% and i don't need it.

Often their 2 or 3 hour rates are a lot more of a "bargain." I think some just hike up the rate for short encounters to discourage them.

If everything gets more expensive for essentials lile housing with no corresponding increase on incomes then discretionary purchases (hobbying) are the first to go.

The local gal I will probably end up seeing the most times when my time here is done is the single mom who provides a full menu and asks only $160/hour.  I always give her more.  

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I Understand, My Mother Was A Single Mom

happy to provide a bottle of water on the way out.  I know mine do.  But if you want the macadamia nuts from the mini bar, you may force her to seek bankruptcy protection.  

The goody bag I get on BA includes a sleeping mask.  Might come in handy for a little light S&M play . . . .  unless you wake up naked on an airplane.

Interchangeable has nothing to do with exclusivity; interchangeable means that you think a date with Lady A is equivalent to a date with Lady B. In some cases that may be, but if you actually were to seek a connection, I doubt you'd find everyone so equal. Usually personalities shine through.  

However, if as a poster below pointed out, you're just looking at a "Insert Tab A into Slot B" time, then we are interchangeable, and you're probably silly to look at ladies who are appeal to those looking for a different experience. I really don't care for Tab A into Slot B only dates.  
 

You answered your own question. Some guys are looking for the best Match.com date experience, but with guaranteed fun and without the hassle and attachments that normally happen in the dating world.

BP, I addressed high rates, and I also addressed raising rates because it was mentioned that the same service could previously be acquired for less.  

I'm sorry most of your high-dollar girls didn't work out; this biz is full of pitfalls, and even with reviews you guys don't always know what you're going to get. My point was that if a lady is indeed like the Four Seasons compared to Denny's, then those griping about the Four Seasons sound like sour grapes; however, I have no problem with people complaining when they get a Denny's quality meal at a Four Seasons price! I don't like overpaying for something as much as the next person. There are plenty of overpriced examples in the real world where you don't get value for your dollar, but there are also examples of something that's an incredible splurge and so worth it. We all have different values on what is worth splurging on, too, so there will always be disagreement on what something is worth.  

If one sees a very pricey lady and she doesn't live up to expectations, one can always write a review.

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it becomes a distraction is just before you lose consciousness.  You'll know it when it comes . . . . well, for a few seconds anyway.

Personally this is all I want.  Of course with a nice piece of eye candy. I guess I am not as evolved as others on here but I don't want a connection at any level. I feel I'm not really even paying for the object of my affection to come see me but rather to leave when I am done with her. If I want a connection I would never seek one with a provider. I'm sure that's just me though.

Well, maybe there is, but if the girl is still making you pay for her time, well...Anyway, I'm in this hobby for a very specific reason.  If I wanted to connect with a woman, I would do so through other means.  Why is it such a bad thing to only want to insert object A into slot B?  That's what this hobby is for, right?

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a connection and there often is. Depends on the companion. And hell, if she is a good enough actress to fool me, I won't complain.  

Bic, absolutely nothing wrong with playing the slots. Just don't expect to get more than a superficial return.