There have been enough 'newbies' lately, and enough occurrences to enough ladies to finally decide to post this post.
I feel that communication is very important, so this post is simply about communicating some things, that perhaps some of you don't know.
Either you come from a different area and things were done differently there, or you are new to this 'hobby community' and are simply not aware of the protocol, but whatever the reason, I have decided to post this so that it is openly communicated and then there are no hard feelings between the ladies and gentlemen once we have this understanding.

When you book your 'date' with the lady, and we'll say it's for three hours, which may include lunch/dinner or perhaps a longer date to include entertainment, the clock begins at the appointed time of the date, NOT at the time you have your private time. She has reserved that slot of time for you, and that's the start of the date. After all, it is the TIME you are paying for. There are some of you out there, who think that if you book two hours and one hour is spent at dinner, and the other hour is spent privately, then you're fee is for the ONE hour. No, it is for the two hours that you reserved with her. Equate that with renting an apartment. You rent an apartment and then go on a two week vacation. Can you pay your landlord only two weeks rent because you weren't there the other two weeks? No, they have that apartment rented to you which means it's not available to anyone else for that time slot. It's the same thing.

I am referring to just the standard expectation because if we don't discuss it, and it hasn't been communicated, how can anyone know? It has occurred enough lately and some ladies are feeling 'shorted' enough to a point, that it's time to talk about it!
Now, granted, sometimes there are 'deals' made, or she's voiced that this part of the date will be 'off the clock' to you, etc, and that's between you and her, but the standard expectation is the date begins when she arrives.

Which leads to the next thing. If the lady is late by let's say a half hour for her two hour date, then you both can decide whether the date just went to 90 minutes, or simply was extended a half hour later (that's easy), but if the gentleman is a half hour late, and she had that time reserved for you, expect to pay the two hour rate and not short her for you being a half hour late. Again, these are standard expectations, if you and she choose to work through them differently, that's up to you, but at least you know what the expectations are!

This is very important to cover this! For example, if you book a date with a lady for 5 hours to include whatever entertainment (dinner, movie, etc.), expect to pay her 5 hour rate! The fee is for her TIME and I think either some of you forget that, or are new to this arena.

Here's another thing. You feel more comfortable meeting the lady first so you invite her for a drink somewhere. The standard expected fee for one hour for this type of arrangement is $50. Again, if she chooses to waive that, or offer an alternative, that's between you two, but that is the expectation.

Also, the poor guy is somewhat in a Catch-22 because he has questions he wants to ask but knows that she can't say on the phone, nor wants to openly state in an email, how can he be sure he not only knows what to expect, but to be sure he is doing the right things? So, hopefully, this post will help with that, and then one final thing - please check her website and read the pertinent stuff on there! The TER profile is not where to look to see her rates etc. The info on the profile was created by the very first client who posted a review and is not relevant to your date with her. Viewing her website is the sure thing.

I certainly hope this has cleared up some things for you as well as smoothed over some areas that are starting to, shall we say, 'come to a head'? (puns intended)

Well said.  I have had lawyers charge me for attending a lunch (which I paid for), so why should I expect anything different for other 'consulting' services.  I often find it better to pay for an initial meeting even if the provider and I don't click as it makes for fewer mistakes and longer, more satisfying sessions.  I can usually tell within the first 1/2 hour if I want to continue or not.  Perhaps we should have lunch????

So if a lady posts misleading information or old or someone else's pictures that means she should pay you for the waste of your time also, is that correct?

Your attitude towards this strictly as a business is one reason I would never book any time with you.  I like to be on comfortable terms with a lady, sometimes that means stopping for a drink somewhere first to make sure everyone is comfortable with each other.  And I never have had a lady ask me for a fee to have a drink with her.  It has made times with ladies much more enjoyable and I have never not gone further with a lady or had one decide not to keep an appointment with me.

Your post leads me to think you feel you are the shop steward for the girls, for whatever reason.  Hope you enjoy the ones that book time with you for I never will

How about a fair compromise.  If the provider shows up and is unacceptable for whatever reason, the hoppyst has a 10 minute "free look" period to decline and walk away.

Well, certainly. That's always an option. Nobody is locked into anything. Just as if it were a Civilian blind date - you're both professional adults and can tell when something just won't 'work out'. You then politely decline and leave.

If you think this is anything but "strictly a business" for any provider, you are kidding yourself.  

As for Sedona, she may be one of the most respected providers in this town, both by her posts and by her reviews, but the ladies are not organized enough or lucky enough to be unionized.
If they were, Sedona would make a great steward, as her post below yours shows.  It also shows that she didn't mean things as literally as you took them, and I would guess she has had experiences that made her post something of this nature on the board, as she is much more lighthearted in most of her posts.

It is all business. She said it well and everyone knows all providers really care about is making money off you. Yes, they can be friendly, sweet, passionate and sensual towards you. Do they really mean it.... not in the context of real life.

Paying to sit and have a drink with a girl somehow doesn't sit right. Wouldn't it be mutually beneficial for both parties to get more comfortable with each other? It leaves one with the impression that they're so desperate as to have to pay for the simple non sexual company with a member of the opposite sex.

Sedona, your point is taken that you need to be compensated for your time, but it's kind of extreme to set a "time clock" mentality. One is left with the impression that you're so high volume that every hour (or half hour) needs to be accounted for. Too much like renting an inanimate object.

Thanks, Gordo. Well, the post is not about ME, but in general, and spoken on behalf of many who've been experiencing various discrepancies.

I have met with gentlemen for a quick bite to eat, or drinks on a number of occasions and didn't ever ask for a fee. In fact, a couple of times, I even picked up the tab. But again, I wasn't wanting this to be about me. (one reason I actually don't mind when someone writes under an alias is because some people cannot NOT focus on the author - when I'm hoping they will focus on the MESSAGE. But I chose to write under my name for this one).
Again, it's simply having people understand the standards, the SOP's. Be prepared to offer it, though she may waive it, as I usually do.

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I'm actually kind of shocked this is even an issue.  I thought the ladies make it abundantly clear on their websites that we are booking their TIME, PERIOD.  How you choose to use that time is up to you--be it drinks, dinner, etc., or anything else.  Would you honestly argue that when you book an overnight, you don't want to pay for the time the lady is sleeping?  Why anyone would actually think this is anything other than a business is beyond me.  

SDMIKAL, are you so charming or good looking and that much in demand that you honestly believe one of these ladies should want to spend time with you gratis?  These ladies spend time with many more strangers than you do.  If anyone needs the "comfort" time it is you, not them, and you should expect to pay for it.  The fact that to date no mention has been made is a reflection of the ladies' class, not yours.  Have you asked these ladies if they need or would like to spend time with you "not on the clock," so to speak?

That being said, if, in the heat of the moment, things run a bit over, I expect the ladies accept that as the cost of doing business without any qualms.  I would expect that those ladies who have other engagements or wish to end the session because time is up, and for some reason ()I have lost track, would gently bring things to closure, as time management is more their responsibility than mine.  However, I would never put a lady in the position that there is no choice but to go over because of other activities I myself arranged.  

If you need comfort, go on a date and take you chances as to whether there will be more than drinks and dinner.

If you have ever seen this lovely woman, you would know clearly that her intent was to inform many of the "Newbies" that are now cycling into the hobby (Class of '03?)and was not meant as a personal dig at anyone specifically, unless the shoe fits. Besides, if you don't book time with her, then it is your loss.

at me anytime....