Porn Stars
No matter what you think. You are the sellers and we are the buyers. We have choices. You need us, we dont need you. Remember that. You serve a function, just as every job does. The very minute, you think youre above that, you will come tumbling down. Youre in your 30'S AND YOU THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING? LOL......you know nothing. A man and woman can talk in private about anything they want........money sex....whatever. Thats legal!!!! Its only when an exchange is made that it becomes illegal. And you being thirty means what. You better watch a few dozen more episodes. You girls are the sellers......thats a good thing. But we as buyers have EVERY RIGHT in the world to ask to negotiate, because the bottom line is .......we hold the money. And what you do for us, we can do in the bathroom all by ourselves into the sink!!!! You better think long and hard about what you control.
Alexis Golden eloquently phrased it here:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=156869&boardID=23&page=
But I thought it appropriate to post it again. Maybe its because I'm in my 30s and I grew up watching COPs - where every man or woman that referenced sex and money was arrested but I thought everyone knew you just don't do that. Apparently not however.
It doesn't matter whether it is by email, phone or text (if she allows it,) but having explicit conversations with someone you've never met before in this light is a potentially dangerous situation. This is also why screening has traditionally been so important to so many ladies. I know lots of ladies in the newer crop don't screen as extensively, but when someone does, trying to have explicit conversation without revealing who you are is just not going to work. Lastly, negotiating rates... *sigh* lets not even go there. I just had a guy call me, for the 2nd time, finally agreed to screening, after having been reminded of my rates... then he immediately asked for almost half off my rate because he couldn't afford it. THEN he offered me 200 more than my hourly rate... but only if I would give him 2 hours because since I'm a porn star he wants to enjoy as much time as he could with me. I reminded him that if he could afford more than my hourly rate, he could afford my hourly rate. Agreed? I know everyone is out for a deal and a good time. But I had to inform this guy that his attempting to negotiate my rate simply because he wanted to pay less, and having never even met me before - makes me less interested in seeing him. And so I declined.
I wish more guys would do their research before picking up a phone. It would make things SO much easier.
*le sigh*
Alexis Golden eloquently phrased it here:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=156869&boardID=23&page=
But I thought it appropriate to post it again. Maybe its because I'm in my 30s and I grew up watching COPs - where every man or woman that referenced sex and money was arrested but I thought everyone knew you just don't do that. Apparently not however. It doesn't matter whether it is by email, phone or text (if she allows it,) but having explicit conversations with someone you've never met before in this light is a potentially dangerous situation. This is also why screening has traditionally been so important to so many ladies. I know lots of ladies in the newer crop don't screen as extensively, but when someone does, trying to have explicit conversation without revealing who you are is just not going to work.
Lastly, negotiating rates... *sigh* lets not even go there. I just had a guy call me, for the 2nd time, finally agreed to screening, after having been reminded of my rates... then he immediately asked for almost half off my rate because he couldn't afford it. THEN he offered me 200 more than my hourly rate... but only if I would give him 2 hours because since I'm a porn star he wants to enjoy as much time as he could with me. I reminded him that if he could afford more than my hourly rate, he could afford my hourly rate. Agreed? I know everyone is out for a deal and a good time. But I had to inform this guy that his attempting to negotiate my rate simply because he wanted to pay less, and having never even met me before - makes me less interested in seeing him. And so I declined.
I wish more guys would do their research before picking up a phone. It would make things SO much easier.
Alexis Golden eloquently phrased it here:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=156869&boardID=23&page=
But I thought it appropriate to post it again. Maybe its because I'm in my 30s and I grew up watching COPs - where every man or woman that referenced sex and money was arrested but I thought everyone knew you just don't do that. Apparently not however.
It doesn't matter whether it is by email, phone or text (if she allows it,) but having explicit conversations with someone you've never met before in this light is a potentially dangerous situation. This is also why screening has traditionally been so important to so many ladies. I know lots of ladies in the newer crop don't screen as extensively, but when someone does, trying to have explicit conversation without revealing who you are is just not going to work. Lastly, negotiating rates... *sigh* lets not even go there. I just had a guy call me, for the 2nd time, finally agreed to screening, after having been reminded of my rates... then he immediately asked for almost half off my rate because he couldn't afford it. THEN he offered me 200 more than my hourly rate... but only if I would give him 2 hours because since I'm a porn star he wants to enjoy as much time as he could with me. I reminded him that if he could afford more than my hourly rate, he could afford my hourly rate. Agreed? I know everyone is out for a deal and a good time. But I had to inform this guy that his attempting to negotiate my rate simply because he wanted to pay less, and having never even met me before - makes me less interested in seeing him. And so I declined.
I wish more guys would do their research before picking up a phone. It would make things SO much easier.
Absolutely. That wasn't the issue here... this was someone that inquired about my rates, went through the screening process, albeit reluctantly, then decided he didn't want to pay my rate and basically badgered me to accept something less - simply because he didn't WANT to pay my rate. I finally just explained that haggling isn't a turn on. 
Alexis Golden eloquently phrased it here:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=156869&boardID=23&page=
But I thought it appropriate to post it again. Maybe its because I'm in my 30s and I grew up watching COPs - where every man or woman that referenced sex and money was arrested but I thought everyone knew you just don't do that. Apparently not however.
It doesn't matter whether it is by email, phone or text (if she allows it,) but having explicit conversations with someone you've never met before in this light is a potentially dangerous situation. This is also why screening has traditionally been so important to so many ladies. I know lots of ladies in the newer crop don't screen as extensively, but when someone does, trying to have explicit conversation without revealing who you are is just not going to work. Lastly, negotiating rates... *sigh* lets not even go there. I just had a guy call me, for the 2nd time, finally agreed to screening, after having been reminded of my rates... then he immediately asked for almost half off my rate because he couldn't afford it. THEN he offered me 200 more than my hourly rate... but only if I would give him 2 hours because since I'm a porn star he wants to enjoy as much time as he could with me. I reminded him that if he could afford more than my hourly rate, he could afford my hourly rate. Agreed? I know everyone is out for a deal and a good time. But I had to inform this guy that his attempting to negotiate my rate simply because he wanted to pay less, and having never even met me before - makes me less interested in seeing him. And so I declined.
I wish more guys would do their research before picking up a phone. It would make things SO much easier.
Thanks Mr. French. That was awesome. I think many guys have become so comfortable with the online presence of ad malls like Eros, Exotics, Cityvibe, etc. that they have forgotten the reality of what the activity. I'm actually happy Jeffkle posted his response. It sheds a little light on some of the reason why many ladies chose to book through agencies or hire assistants to screen their calls for them. Something I am about to do again... Of course it means the price increases and there is less of a "personal" touch when you lose access to calling the woman directly, but sometimes... its necessary.
No matter what you think, you're totally off-base.
Just so you know it is NOT legal to discuss sex for money. You CAN be busted for just talking about it. There doesn't need to actually be an exchange of money/sex for an arrest to be made. If you need proof, just watch an episode of COPS where they do a prostitution sting! Most states define prostitution as follows: (quoted exactly from my state's statute)
""Prostitution" is sexual activity with another person in exchange for something of economic value, or the offer or acceptance of an offer to engage in sexual activity in exchange for something of economic value."
Note that it says "the offer or acceptance of an offer". So, no, there doesn't need to actually be an exchange for it to illegal. Just talking about it is illegal. Many ladies, like Sinnamon, are aware of that, and won't discuss anything over the phone with someone they do not know, and haven't thoroughly screened.
I respect that. And, frankly, if you ever hope to "date" a quality women like Sinnamon, you should respect it too and show a little of that respect here.
And decided to go ahead and respond. Without knowing where you are located, I will assume you are in the United States for purpose of this conversation. In many other countries, including England, France, Australia, Denmark, Holland and other parts of Europe where prostitution is decriminalized or legalized, this discussion would be very different. The discussion of sex in exchange for money isn't an issue, neither is the act itself. Unfortunately, here in the US, things are different. With the exception of Nevada brothels & licensed sex workers, there is no place else in the United States where prostitution as sex work is legal. It should be noted that Clark County, where Las Vegas is located, does NOT have legalized prostitution. So despite the number of girls working the casinos, the streets or the ads in the Yellow Pages, the rule of thumb still applies.. most ladies and agencies will not discuss anything explicit with someone they do not know.
It saddens me that you believe that a conversation is not going to get you in trouble. My suggestion? Research so you don't find yourself in trouble one of these days. Also, take note that even using code words and phrases, such as "greek" "bbbj" and the like, are recognized by law enforcement as discussing sex for money and will land you in jail. Don't believe me? Ask the many men across the United States that have been paraded into courtrooms or had their photos plastered on billboards and in newspapers for having been arrested as a "John." These people never had the opportunity to engage in sexual activity with the undercover cops that busted them... they merely agreed to an act and went directly to jail.
Now, moving on to your argument that you have every right to choose what you will pay. Agreed. Likewise, ladies have the right to charge what they wish. There are certain times when negotiation is expected. For example, you might barter at a farmer's market, but the clerk or manager at a grocery chain or restaurant will look at you crazy if you try to negotiate your bill. While you may not need to eat caviar or hummus or free range organic meats, the touch of Egyptian cotton towels and you certainly may not need an Aston Martin or Rolls Royce to get around to work and errands when a Honda or Chrysler will certainly due, some people happen to enjoy the taste, feel or speed of luxury. Do most of us turn our noses up at "The Jones'" because of their ability to pay for luxury? No... we try to keep up with them. Funny thing about those that charge beyond what the market will bear... there is still someone out there willing to spend the money.
I believe you are mistaken in thinking you are a "buyer." You are actually leasing, not buying. And we all know that when you lease you often spend more than the real purchase price of the item. 
The fact remains... in this industry there are ladies that charge $60/ 15 minutes or $150/ 30 minutes on Backpage that probably see 15 or 20 guys a day and I'm sure make WAY more money than I do based on the sheer volume they do. There are also ladies that charge $1500/ hour or $1000/ 2 hour minimum that don't have a single video credit to their name... There is someone out there for everyone, if you look hard enough, you'll find it. The point of my post was to express two things; 1) the type of conversations that lead to legal trouble and 2) the problem with haggling over money with someone that you ultimately intend to spend intimate time with. If you The solution is simple, if the lady you are interested in seeing is out of your comfort range, simply walk away instead of insisting that she lower her rate because you want to see her... as was the situation I spoke of earlier with my caller.
Lastly, if you do enjoy your hand, more than the company of a real, live woman, then by all means... do so. It would say a lot in terms of explaining your aggression in this post.
all the best,
Sinny