While the title of this board is "Porn Stars Discussion Board", it is, in a way, miss-named. This board has ALWAYS discussed many non-PSEs in the posts. When I compiled the UTR Playmates list, there were multiple threads about it and I got over 300 PM's regarding it... There are hundreds and hundreds of threads about Maxim and FHM girls, magazine models, Playmates, Pets, fitness models as well as actresses who may be available.
Hell, half of the names many of you post to the weekly Pornstar Friday thread aren't pornstars.
So who SHOULD qualify?
Should we allow a girl who's only done one or two porn flicks? Does that make her a pornstar? How about a girl who hasn't made a movie in 5 years... Isn't she an "ex-pornstar"? Should she be allowed to post ads? What about a girl who only does solo girl magazine layouts - should she qualify? Do Playmates or Pets count? If Carmen Electra or Jessica Alba started posting messages about being available, would people complain that they shouldn't be allowed because they're not pornstars?
The fact is that while it IS called the Pornstar Discussion Board, it's ALWAYS included the above mentioned categories of providers. I realize that that bothers some PSEs, and I really do understand their reasoning, but this board's primary function is not for the PSEs, it's for the hobbyists, and both Sly and myself believe that the nature of it's member's posts should set the direction it takes, and that direction obviously includes Playmates, Pets, models, etc. Maybe we should rename it "The Celebrity Provider Board".
As for Robbin Young specifically, neither Sly nor myself gave Robbin "special dispensation" to post here. We discussed it and both he and I felt that she met the general qualifications of this board; we didn't make a special case for her and we didn't ask staff or management if it was OK, but seeing as they never objected I assume that they had no problem with it.
And truthfully, who would you rather see posting ads here... someone who appeared in Playboy magazine, lived at the Mansion, slept with Hugh Hefner and was in a Bond film, or someone who made one or two gonzo videos and who's main claim to fame was that they dressed her up to look like a 14 year old girl?
Personally, I thought Robbin's posts are/were delightful... funny, sexy, with a sly teasing nature. She may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I just don't get why she in particular has received so much vitriole.
Curiously, if you look up the posting history of most of the guys who gave her a hard time, the majority of them hardly if ever post to this board and few of them have ever listed seeing a pornstar in their reviews. Hmmm...
Finally, to answer a few of you who've mentioned that the board seems to be getting a little meaner: Unfortunately the new system has taken away much of the moderator's powers to control their own boards... we no longer have the ability to moderate a consistantly mean-spirited member and in order to make sure that things don't get out of hand or to make sure that a UTR doesn't get outed now requires us to read EVERY SINGLE post, which is nearly impossible to do. Moderators don't get paid for doing this job - we're volunteers, and to read each message would simply take too much time.
I have no issue with "any" provider being able to post here so long as they don't slant responses as if they are or have been in porn. Also always jumping in like you have inside information to get your name on the board is a cheesy tactic at best. So post away; but don't intentionally mislead those that may not know you. This is not directed at anyone but fasteddie asked who should be allowed to post here and these are my feelings.
I should include that anyone who posts here should be discussing something related to porn.
fasteddies request above being the exception
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What defines a pornstar will always be debated and that's fine. I enjoy the discussions about porn, the ladies involved and their availabilty to us hobbyists. This board welcomes everyone and that's what's made it so diverse and interesting. You and Sly have been great mods, and although your positions have been diminished, your leadership has always been greatly appreciated.
What I don't get is this.
How do you know she slept where?
How do you know all this?
This is what I think is fair.
You call it what you like...and include an escort who won a bit part 30 years ago in a James Bond Movie sponsored by Playboy.
sounds like what we have here already
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As for Pornstar Friday, unless you change the name Eddie, it SHOULD be strictly for your favorite XXX Porn Star. If you want to include models, TV celebrities, etc it should be "Celebrity Friday".
I think the question is who should be able to post ADS here, not just post in general. Anyone should be allowed to post here, whether you are a porn star or not, whether you see porn stars in the hobby or not, whether you love or even hate porn stars in general.
As for posting ADS, for me, I think at least 1 of the following must apply:
-She must be an active actress in a XXX film/movie and/or a XXX internet site (Brazzers as an example but there's others).
-If no longer active must have appeared in more than just 1 or 2 XXX movies/scenes OR at least appeared for a mainstream company such as Vivid, Wicked, etc. Being a 2 time star in "John Doe's basement sex video collection" does NOT count.
-She must be an active model for a XXX publication (Playboy, Penthouse, etc).
-If she is no longer an active model she must have been either a Playmate of the Month or Penthouse Pet of the Month.
-If not active and not a Playmate/Pet of the Month she must have appeared in more than 1 issue of a newsstand special such as Book of Lingerie, Penthouse Forum, etc AND been mentioned in it by name and not just part of a background or group shot anonymously.
-If not active, not a Playmate/Pet of the Month, not appeared in multiple XXX publications she must be a recognizable model/covergirl/spokesmodel for some other type of modeling magazine or mens publication such as Maxim, FHM, etc.
-You must be a "famous" celebrity of some sort such as a mainstream actress, singer, etc.
Since there is no separate "celebrity" board, I give a little lee-way (?) to the term porn star when discussing on this board. This board is IMHO the closest one relevant to anyone who is more than just a "local girl".
That's just my $.02, and we're all entitled to our opinions.
**Also, regarding reviews that's touchy for me. I've reviewed only 2 of the 8 stars I've seen. Some were UTR, and 3 did not have working websites/ads at the time so TER did not accept the reviews. I could go re-post some now, but being as how some are over a year old I don't see the point.**
Can you enlighten the group (or at least me) about how the PS Board falls within the 7 day ad requirement? At one point, a provider was allowed to post ONCE in 7 days, period. If she put her ad on her home board, and was traveling, she wasn't able to post on the visiting board at the same time. That seemed harsh for ladies that toured a lot, but free is free.
Did that rule fall by the wayside, and does this board enforce the once/week ruling?
Thanks for you attention...
lp
Since it's not a regional board, TER administration has always given the Pornstar board a little leeway regarding the 7 day rule. Since we're not tied to any particular geographic area this really isn't really a home board OR a visiting board, management didn't object to a PSE posting an ad both here and on a regional board within 7 days. However, Sly and I do follow the 7 day rule regarding posting multiple ads on this board within a week.
In that case, it seems that any PS, or wannabe should have free reign, at least so long as it's limited to once per week.
a provider is allowed to post once per week on her regional board AND any regional board to which she is traveling.
So, the travelers could put up some number of ads, on various boards all on the same day.
Eddie, your post is perfect and timely. It seems pretty clear that this is about Robbin Young, not about what the definition of a Porn Star is. Every week there are inquiries on here from hobbyists about Playmates, Pets, FHM/Maxim models, solo cam girls, etc. Some of the agencies that post reference having Playmates and models available but no one complains about those posts other than the rates charged by the agency. I did a search for the word "Playmates" on this board going back a year and found 125 posts. That doesn't seem like a lot for a year but there were quite a few that had over 1500 views and some up to almost 2500 views. So, its clear there's interest on this board in girls who are in the adult industry but who do not necessarily have sex on film.
The "non-PSE" uproar has more to do with an excuse to target Robbin. I don't know who's right and who's wrong as to whether Robbin should post here, whether she has violated the posting rules, whether she was given special treatment, etc. My guess is the truth probably lies somewhere in between.
What I am pretty confident about is that if I had made a post six (6) months ago that I knew of a former model who had appeared in Playboy and had a small part in a Bond movie who was available and wanted to start posting here, I would have received more PMs and responses than I could have responded to and most would have told me that she was more than welcome to post here.
This was never really about a non-PSE posting here, it was about Robbin posting here. If we're going to have this discussion, lets make sure we're having the correct discussion.
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I feel the term porn star is loosely thrown around in the hobby. When I think of porn star I think of bondafide stars such as Kathy Willets Carmella Bing and Teri Weigel. Not those ladies in the hobby who filmed themselves with their boyfriends husbands clients etc.
A few ladies I seen in the past charged a reasonable rate and now since they have a video available on clips4sale their rate is much more.
My other gripe is with the ladies who appear in Gent magazine and pass themselves off as models in the same category of Playboy models. There's a big difference! Gent magazine should be called Provider mag. That's about all that's in there.
I like to think of this board for the real porn stars and other celebrities who might provide.
I have exchanged e-mails with Robbin and found her to be a very sweet, but a very slick lady who knows exactly what she is doing, has a motive, and an agenda like most of us.
The difference is that she plays the boards,the system of rules and some of the members,,,,she is constantly in battles with other ladies, not sure why, and I really don't care.
My problem lies in her post that she is the best escort in the US,,,,,,,, that is the hight of arrogance, the hight of look at me
Earn your status here on TER by merit, longevity, and then and only then can you stake any claims as to how great you are. I've been a member of this site for many years, and I have NEVER seen any girl make such a claim, and many of them had the right to do so.
I took it as a personal slap in my face and I KNOW other ladies have.
Kathy is right on it I would agree .
This board has lately turned into a place were bickering, arguing, and unpleasantness are no longer the exception but the norm. Did a group of 15 years old net nerds infiltrate the board and start trolling for reactions just to get a rise out of people and create conflict? Look at all of yourselves, this is starting to resemble some sort of star wars vs. star trek ubber flaming board (or whatever other terminology you want to use). I have been a member here for a while now and I don't know what is happening, but our great board is now filled with more useless posts about stupid questions, arguments, points, that are really not worth sharing.
This board used to be about what porn stars/stars/models etc. are providing, how good they are, and if paying the high fee is worth it. Why can't we just try and get back to this and stop giving credence to posts that are only meant to inflame.
What irritated me and from the responses I have read it seems it irritated alot of memebers of this board, is Robbins constant posting,,,,,,if it's not one thing it's another, she is constantly posting that she is not available, yet a week later things have changed, she is constantly posting that she is not available because she is working on this project or that project,,,, yet two days later she is back.
It is very clear to me and to many memebers of this board that she just seeks attention...
That's ok,,,,, but what boiled my blood and I am sure many of the Porn Star ladies here,,,, to state that she is the best in the US...... just got under alot of members skin... arrogance, plain and simple
I have spent time with Porn Stars and to try to compare her 6 reviews to their 50 or more reviews just got under my skin.
I don't believe she should have the ability to post her ad's here and on every other single board she can...
As far as this board becoming mean.... I have been a member and a lurker for many years and I have seen many ladies take many lickings here, and no one did a thing to correct that.
You yourself Ed have posted many times that it's good to have a flame once in a while,,,, this is not a flame, no one is attacking her personally, members are simply stating that they don't feel she should be posting here on the Porn Star board,it's that simple.
This is my opinion!!!!
Yes, I have said that a good flame war can be enjoyable; I still feel the same. In my post I was simply answering a question as to why the board seems to have gotten meaner lately.
However, the rest of my statement about flame wars was that I didn't mind them as long as they were conducted with civility and, hopefully, with a bit of wit and a sense of humor. Flame wars don't necessarily need to be mean-spirited or nasty. Kathy Willets is a good example... Kathy has VERY strong opinions and she's certainly not shy about stating them, but she always does so with class and style.
Whatchoo talkin' about Eddie?
I think Kathy is verrry NASTY.
I think the word you intended was "snarky".
This is what I call plain wrong
All of this
As members we are not looking for special attention
We all want the same level playing field.
I found this post on this board from last year.
One thing I think we need to remember.
WE..we are a community. This is not a playground for just a few. This is what it is.
Once again, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig!
My phone conversation with Robbin Young...
Posted by fasteddie51 Send Mail to fasteddie51 , 8/10/2008 5:57:24 PM [fasteddie51 has 31 reviews]
I spoke with Robbin last night for about an hour and a half, and I have to say that this girl is the real deal... she's one of the most sensual and sexual woman I've ever had the pleasure of speaking with.
To Robbin... I fell madly in love with you during our conversation... and you're voice messages gave me major wood! 
To the members here... Wow! What a sexy lady. She's jumped the top of my "must see" list. I want her, I need her, I gotta, gotta, gotta have her! I can't wait until she's back in Vegas and ready to see her fans!
....AND then did you decide to have a poll(well you already had a pole) deciding if Robbin could post on the porn star board and ......
then before we knew it would ever happen..like a dream come true... Robbin Young the #1 Escort in the USA! In just 6 short months!
This is movie material 4 sure!
Forget about James Bond!
It's Robbinn does TER!
Please read my posts with a smile.
Disclaimer
I have never met RY. I have never talked with her or sent her nasty messages. I actually think some of her pics are great.
BUT... I have been a member here for almost 5 years and I support this forum 100%.
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I don't speak for Eddie but there are so many leaps of faith here its hard to follow...First, Eddie's poll wasn't about whether Robbin should be allowed to post here...He was asking for opinions of TER members about who should be allowed to post. Robbin's name is never even mentioned. You asked for and want a level playing field...well, there you go, Eddie let TER members decide and at least at that time the response was overwhelmingly in favor of wanting Playmates, Pets, etc. post here. Second, Eddie's opinions are valued here as much as anyone else's and probably more because of his history and experience in the hobby. As long as its genuine, there's no reason why Eddie can't give his opinion on meeting or talking with Robbin or anyone else that might be of interest on this Board. Third, if what you don't want is drama, aren't you just creating more drama by continuing to bang on this?
To begin with, let me say that I still haven't met Robbin face-to-face, so other than the fact that I enjoy her posts and think she's a fun and sexy lady, I have no axe to grind.
As to my above copied post about Robbin, if you do a search you'll find several of my posts with similar themes about different providers. I posted the same type of message about Loni Mallory, who by the way was a bikini model, has never done porn and has only appeared in a handful of minor men's magazines doing soft-core glamour layouts, and those were over 10 years ago. Never sucked a cock or a pussy on film or in print, never even did as much as a masturbation spread with or without toys.
But nobody ever complained about her posting AND advertising on this board. There are many other examples of non-PSE (Playmates, Pets, fitness models, etc.) providers advertising here without any negative comments.
Since you did a search on my posts, I did one on yours... the truth is that in your "almost 5 years" of membership you've posted a total of nine times on this board, none before Feb. of this year, and six of those were posts about Robbin Young.
So let's be totally frank... You just don't like Robbin, which is fine; you're entitled to your feelings. But please, don't imply that your posts here are about what's right and wrong or being out of your "support" of this forum". It's a personal issue, pure and simple.
The fact is that vast majority of the people who have been dogging Robbin here are from the Las Vegas (Robbin's home) board. For whatever reason, these members have taken the time and effort to search out her posts and followed her to whatever board she posts on simply to give her shit.
Does Robbin post before she thinks things through? Yes, at time she does. Does she post too much? I'm sure for some the answer is yes, for others no. But it seems to the conspiricy theorist in me that there's an organized effort (apparently successful) to make it as touch as possible for her and to ultimately drive her off of TER.
In my opinion, that's neither fair nor in the best interest of the TER community.
What about Alex Arden before she retired? I'm sure there are many others. I'm not a daily regular of this board so I am not as familiar with all the names.
I'm just amazed that one person can create so much venom without even posting anything that appeared to be harmful.
Now I know that she has been the center of issues in Vegas in the past, but like you said Eddie that really has nothing to do with the PS board now does it?
As far as I am concerned, this is all much ado about nothing. Read what you want and ignore what you want.
If I can look her up somewhere other than a Craigslist or Eros ad, then I think she qualifies. I can't understand why some people here are being such sticklers. It's not like they're not breaking a number of rules by participating in the hobby.
Much like mainstream entertainment, the adult media industry will have various grades of people who contribute in one way or another. You have big stars, hangers on, one hit wonders, paper or internet based celebs etc. So to in this industry - we have our big hit stars, one shot wonders, old school celebs, magazine and internet based celebs all who by some level of association are in the biz and have contributed.
To this I say they all qualify for being here by the very notion that they contributed something to the adult media world and are in the providing biz as well. This would not be that exhaustive of a list compared to those who did not. If only sleeping with Hef is their qualification then so be it - as long as it was filmed.... If they appeared in a feature in Playboy, they qualify - as long as they provide.
If a wannabe wishes to pump themselves up and begin to represent themselves on this board as a PS I say let them - the majority of us will figure them out for what they are as the lack of media credit will soon expose them.
Perhaps its easier to say - there are TER boards for LV, LA and NY and the like. If you think you qualify to come here then come on over. But do so with the knowledge you could be exposed and challenged as to why you belong here. No need to set any other qualification.
Robbin's postings have irritated me enough to have crossed her off my to do list. She may be all that you say Eddie, but her postings reveal a few other things as well. But that aside, if she has contributed to the adult media industry and provides she belongs here - Just as much as the gonzo video girl who dresses like a 14 year old.....
I would imagine that she can post all she wants to on this board and contribute as much or as little as she wants. Just like we all do. The only thing is whether she can place an "Ad Post" in the Porn Star Board. This isn't as nearly dramatic or worthy of all this attention. Robin should post her ads where they belong and contribute to TER wherever she feels inspired to do so.
Personally, I would say her background doesn't qualify her as one. I would say it is reserved for "Porn Stars" and that definition has been debated on here ad nausium. I also would say that she certainly appears to enjoy contributing in a positive way to the board and I think she should continue doing that.
We probably can agree on this, She is a lightning rod. Some guys love her presence and some clearly don't. But this is really about whether she can post Ads here. And if she can't, then there are plenty of other places on TER where it causes less of a stir. Let's put this to bed.
I think the board would have had no problem with Robin had things played out better. Until there is another board for models, Playmates, Pets, etc, this one will have to do. Because these girls mostly travel, pigeon-holing them on a local board is not fair. Also, the hobbyist who sees PS's is also the same guy who will splurge to see the UTR girl or a girl with a name. All of the PS agencies include these girls as well.
The board is a hobbyist board and should be made to be as hobbyist friendly as possible. When drama rears its ugly head, no matter who the culprit is, it's time to take the appropriate actions.
Ed and Sly have done a great job here in both spelling out the reasoning and enforcing the rules.
...just as there are different reasons for a YES or NO opinion on who should post on this board.
Is someone with 6 reviews and all 10's more deserving than a lady with 50 reviews and all 9's? Reviewers have different motives, different needs and different tastes. Longevity, consistency and reviews by established hobbyists with unquestionable reputations should count more than simple numbers. What about those ladies who are super providers but don't offer the service that would grant them a 10 ... are they less valued because of a policy that TER has established. And what about the hobbyist who doesn't care for that "10" required service ... does that diminish their opinion and their "9" rating?
I've hobbied for years ... see only UTR ladies who don't want reviews, but I have awarded many a "10" in my mind because they were down-to-earth, kind, sensual and made me feel like I wanted to feel. None would claim to be #1, and many wouldn't want that title. When you're at the very top, there's no place to go but down.
This board is a place for a specific type of comment, references to specific types of ladies and services, and each of us has their own opinion as to who and what should be allowed. The attempt to bring attention to ones self, to play on the sympathy of the hobbyist and to always seek admiration from others is a characteristic most intelligent hobbyists will see through and understand. The decision to allow a post, or not allow it, is not mine to make ... but it is mine to read and either ignore or comment on ... and we all have that right.
Someone claiming to be # 1, or using statistics to try and prove it that even a 2nd grader would see through, is just as hard to accept for me as the misconception that only certain services can rate a 10. The hobby is in the eyes of the hobbyists and the ladies involved ... TER may make the policy here, but we who indulge in the hobby set the standards.
Personally, let whomever wants to post, post. Let the community comment, post alternate theories, contradict the post, or show why the post is factual or fantasy. When you put something up on this board, you need to be prepared for whatever comments you get, good or bad. The subject of this thread knows that, and will make their own decisions ... just as we all will.
Maybe
.. the 'porn star' board needs to be renamed.
.. there should be another board just for ads.
.. providers should be limited to only posting ads a few times a month and allowed to respond to posts that only relate to them specifically
.. these are bad ideas lol
Is there this much drama on the provider's board? If we only knew