I completely understand and agree that for a certain price point a certain level of service and professionalism is expected. Especially considering what the average porn star rate is. Just like Neiman Marcus and BMW customer service goes above and beyond Target or Honda. However, there is the human factor which creates a window for possible errors. Nothing is perfect. Not even Ferrari. Occasionally a lemon comes out. When these mishaps happen companies give customers possible remedies to ensure customer satisfaction. So, when a session doesn't go as well as expected because maybe the lady and hobbyist didn't click, maybe the lady had an off day, or whatever the case may be. What are possible remedies that, you, as the hobbyist would be satisfied with a lady offering in exchange for falling short of your expectations?  

Would additional time or partial refund of donation be acceptable? Or what other ways could a lady make it right?  

Although, sometimes, two people just don't click. It's not because either one is bad. It just wasn't a match. What would you expect then in that situation as a remedy?  

Also, what is an acceptable time frame for tardiness. Would you cancel on a lady for literally running no more than 15 minutes late?  

I am really looking forward to hearing what you as the hobbyist expects from us the ladies when things by chance don't go right on how to fix it.  

Thanks.  
 
Hugs and a Lick,  
LM

 

 

 
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On on of my nights last trip, I was supposed to see a new girl...We had planned to meet, she verified me, we had a date/time set, and i had the test (from CET) within the couple days she requested...Then she didn't show up....She texted next day and said she was stuck on set for much longer than anticipated....She apologized and said if we meet next time, she'd give me extra time....I thought that was very reasonable, and I will see her next trip...I ended up seeing a new girl last time (who was adorable), just wasn't the one I thought I was going to see..

Pornstars or not - doesn't really matter

 
Sometimes people just don't click. Nothing to do about that. Walk on. No refunds expected. Additional time is not wanted.
No shows - I then write honest reviews (not here, obviously. I am European) about how she is a time-waster, won't call her again.
Tardiness - it depends. If it is a girl I already know up to 1 hour is acceptable. If unknown no more than 10 minutes.
If the girl is having an off day - shouldn't be working. Cancel and possible reschedule is vastly preferred. Avoiding bad reviews should be preferable for the girl as well.
The girl does not live up to expectations (grossly misrepresenting pics, services offered but not given) - bad review and no further contact.

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I think this gentlemen is spot on.

I would stress his point that if a lady is having a bad day, she should not work.  That will only increase the probability of not clicking.  That is a lose-lose situation:  client is out $$$ and unhappy; courtesan may get a bad review.  I have had a girl cancel on me for some personal reasons and told me honestly that she wasn't in the right mindset to be at her best.  I appreciated that.

I've always been to afraid to cancel for that reason. Nice to know it's preferred.

If you cater to the right kind of client it shouldn't be a problem. Mutual respect and courtesy goes a long way in my experience.

I agree with a lot of what is said so far....

If you as a professional are not having a good day... call and cancel and let the client know.   Some might get up set.   But everyone has bad days.   You don't have to go into detail just say personal stuff came up and have to cancel... Then offer to meet another time.   If a deposit or something was given offer refund.... and if not a refund that money goes towards the next visit.

Communication is Key in all of this....

Now on being late.... again you are a professional.   If you were late to a sales call, meeting, audition, etc... How does that look???   HORRIBLE.   So communicate if you are running late.    If you know you are running 10 mins behind.... Call tell the client I am running late will be there ASAP.   Communication is key.

so again I don't think you need to offer anything if the meeting just didn't click.  It is just what happens.   But communication is key in everything else.

Hope this helps from a clients POV.

While I agree with most of what has been said I would also add that if you know you are running late, the sooner you let the client know the better.  I had traveled over 100 miles for a meeting, and the lady flaked and checked out of her hotel the night before.  While I wasn't out money, I wasted the better part of a Saturday travelling for nothing (Luckily it was in Atlantic city and got to at least play some black jack)

and I have to say that I've had my share of disappointments both with porn stars and "normal" escorts.  The reasons things go bad can be many and varied and there is no one right answer or solution.  And I think, as a long time hobbyist, that for some of those reasons - the girl having a bad day, the me and her not clicking, etc. that there is no expectation on my part of anything to "make it right".  Just like any date I might go on with any female, things just may not work out.

However, since this *is* a service hobby/business, anything the lady does or offers is, to me, a mark of a professional, and would certainly make me want to give her a better review than I might otherwise, or depending on the issue and circumstances, make me want to try again.  One thing that I haven't seen mentioned as a possible offer if you don't click with the guy is to set the guy up with a friend (for free, or a discounted amount, or something like that).  

As for tardiness, well, again, situations may differ.  I've sat in my hotel room waiting for *hours* for an escort service to deliver.  It happens.  I think as long as you are in touch with the guy and let him know that you're delayed, it's ok.  If something happens, like being on a shoot, you could offer to reschedule and any kind of "consideration" (additional time, discount on price, flexibility on activities or whatever) would go a long way to making the guy want to rebook.  I think it's the not keeping in touch, that bothers people the most when you're late; and it works both ways - if the guy is running late he should be in touch with the girl to let her know.

One of the reasons I generally prefer to work with agencies is that if something goes wrong, they are more likely to do something to "make it right" especially if you are a regular customer because they want to keep your business.  If things go wrong with an individual girl, well, there's no continuity, no expectation of keeping a customer and really the girl doesn't have to do anything although, as I said, it's nice when she does.

Hopefully there was a good reason for it which merit the action.

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Since my return, I have quickly realized it's no longer what it used to be at all.  

How does a lady go about catering to the client you describe? Because I have found there are very few left.  

 
 

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If you notified the client that you were running that late..... NO.

But maybe the client was on a schedule and 15 mins threw him off for some other engagement.   That is what we don't know and everyone is different.

I know when I hobby.... I make sure I got ample time incase these things happen.

Haha good question.  
I don't know much about the business from your end, but I know it from the punter's side (I abhor the term "hobbyist" btw).

Just a note: I haven't seen your ad, I know nothing about you. These are my general comments, not directed at anyone in particular. I am not based in the US, and I don't really think I can teach you anything tbh.

How to attract the right sort? Hm. Upscale ads can be impressive, but not if they're too cold. Make sure they can catch a glimpse of the persona you want to portray, or even yourself. Maybe do meet&greets (have never been to one, Carmina K described one to me). Being on forums like this one, where you can interact with potential clients is not a bad thing. I could say more along these lines, but found I do not want to at the moment.

Don't know if I really answered your question, maybe it was rhetorical, even. Other punters on this board may have different opinions (eg, they think I'm a wanker). I cannot claim to speak for anyone besides myself.

Happy hunting, Lora

Agreed.  As one of the other gentlemen posted, communication is key.

I always add in some "buffer time" before and after, so minor delays (e.g., 15-45 mins) won't be a big deal.  Some others may schedule with no room for error, so 15 minutes could be a big deal to them.

Unfortunately the reason was rehab so I guess it was a good reason

While I do try and budget extra time, sometimes it's just unavoidable.  I recall times when I was traveling, when I would have an evening where I wanted outcall.  I'd start calling agencies from the phonebook (this was in the days before the Internet became what it now is, and even cell phones so...)  Anyway, by the time I found an agency who was able to send me someone, two hours could have passed because I'd call them, and they'd say they'd get back to me, and I'd sit waiting (and calling other agencies) and time would pass...  Then I'd give the first agency that calls back my preferences, or choose one of the ladies available to come to my hotel - sometimes things wouldn't work out with that agency and I'd have to wait for another to call back.  Then, once I'd found an agency and picked a girl, the agency would have to get in touch with that girl, arrange a ride for her, etc.  More time passes.  Then I'd have to wait for the girl to show up.  If I had something else I had to do that evening, or simply had to get to bed by a certain time for an early meeting, a delay in the girl's arrival, even a 15-minute delay, could be a major problem, especially since when someone says they are "15 minutes away", that could really be 20, 30, or even 60 minutes.  And, yes, it's happened to me that the agency or a girl would call and say they'd be there in 15 minutes, and then it would be another hour before they showed up at the door.  I got into the habit of telling the agencies that if the girl wasn't at my door by a certain time, she might as well go turn around and go home.

Between calling around to agencies, and wait times for them to call back, and all the rest, there were times when I started calling at 4 in the afternoon, and the girl wouldn't arrive at my door until 1AM.  Sometimes, she'd be on time at that hour but most of the time, she'd be at least an hour later than expected.

The whole point of this is to say that (1) Communication is important; (2) both parties have to respect the other's time constraints; and (3) while delays are sometimes unavoidable, no one should be surprised at a cancellation because of lateness; and (4) having extra time helps but doesn't always help enough

Communication is key, and sometimes unsettling.  I mean when you set up an appointment with a lady a 2nd time, especially after a less than stellar 1st appointment, and she knows it was not that great, then that provider doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.  She doesn't get to be 15 minutes late, (or in hooker time, an hour).  She's got to bring her A game now, especially for the rates that are being charged, in my case 1K plus for a couple of hours.  and you're right, I can't speak for others but I have a window of time to play.  When a lady agrees to an appointment, agrees to the time and date, its on her to be there.  I'm in business also.  My clients can be late, and it sucks, but I want there business, there money.  I can't be, period.  If anything, I have to be early, sitting there waiting on them.  The first time I'm late to a client, especially a new one, is probably the last time I get to see them,  

So no, she doesn't get to be "15 Minutes Late".

Had no other concession been made. Although, if the lady gave additional time the first session because she knew it didn't go well, offered part of the donation back but the hobbyist said to keep it. I believe those are acceptable remedies.

Then in addition offers to forgive the upcharge since she forgot the lube the first time so greek couldn't happen if he choses to book again along with other concessions.  When he does book again the original meeting time is between 3 to 4. A one hour window. That has to be prepared for. Suddenly, the hobbyist decides to make it 3 instead of the original window because he chose to book a second provider immediately after. While you are stuck preparing because unfortunately you can't rush certain bodily functions and cancels when her arrival time would have been 3:15. It's infuriating.  

Especially when lots of time and planning went into making sure the second time would be fantastic but instead got wasted.  


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Once you start getting above $500 an hour, then I fully expect the lady to meet her obligations and provide the Rolls Royce experience.

And as for reparations, it would depend on the offense, but again at that rate, I would expect anything up to and including a full refund of services.

High School Girl / Wish-washy stuff is for amateurs. So a girl who acts like an amateur should be payed roughly what your typical backpage ad girl charges -- $200-250 an hour, no more. If you want to play in the big leagues, you have to be prepared to swim with the sharks, and that means no excuses.

I understand my TER profile states $1200 per hour. I had reduced my rate to $500 per hour with an upcharge for greek, making it $1200 for two hours. I knew I was just coming back and probably not at the same level as when I retired previously. So I figured discounting my rate by 50% was more than fair to begin with.