If someone doesn't have a vip membership the only ambiguous way to communicate that a girl might be available utr is to recommend that someone contact a certain agency or agencies for more information.

Someone isn't definitively saying "x girl is available utr" so their status is maintained.

Because saying, "You have a PM" or "Contact me" gives it away that a certain girl is available utr.

By the rules you've laid out, any public discussion in any way, shape. or form about a girl's possible utr status, not actual status, is unacceptable on this forum.

Which is quite a bit more restrictive than the previous rules on this issue.

And it leads one to conclude that the only way to communicate such information is by PM. But not everyone has a VIP account or wants to waste the money to buy one.

And I think that merely saying, "I don't know if x girl is available, but you can contact y agency for more information," should be acceptable since the status of the girl is maintained.

I feel like I ranted a bit, and I would like to foster some discussion on UTRs (lighting a candle instead of cursing the darkness)- helping out the hobbyists who ask about this periodically.

So, the purpose of this thread is to help dudes get the lady they are looking for, who might not be widely known as available. Ideally, we can all refer back to it (I wish TER had sticky threads I could put at the top of the forum).

There are a lot of people on this board who are better at this than I am- so share your collective wisdom:

- Agencies you've had success with?
- Tips on approaching someone feature dancing/at AVN/at Exxotica?
- War stories?

Just remember: NO NAMES of UTRs to be part of the discussion. Just general theory and practice.

Thanks, everyone.

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Also, sometimes people think they know more than they know.

Anyone wishing to play at the level of big name UTR porn stars who isn't smart enough to seek advice from agencies with a solid reputation for handling such bookings probably isn't smart enough to make the money necessary to book one.

The bottom line here is that people seem unwilling to acknowledge the meaning of UTR. By definition it means it's not an appropriate topic of discussion on a public board.

Does this mean the average guy will never know how to book that big name star? Yes. Not everyone can drive a Gallardo either. If everyone could it wouldn't be special, now would it?

As for saying 'you have a PM' - I confess that people who post that mystify me. The recipient KNOWS he has a PM. Even if he's not VIP, he is notified of that fact, he just can't read it. What possible reason could there be to announce it to the rest of the community?

The issue about utr's personally since I already know which utr's are available and I know where to get additional information on them if necessary.

The problem however is that not everyone wants to or can waste the money on a vip membership, and for those who are in that category, what option is there?

Because by the rules laid out though, no one can even say "Perhaps you can try x agency for more information." Which is as ambiguous as can be and which I think is more than acceptable since the utr status of the girl has been maintained.

One option I suppose is everyone can post their email address in one long thread and they can refer back to that whenever information is needed because it appears that any information posted in an utr thread no matter how ambiguous won't be allowed to be posted.

As for past practices, the late Eddie allowed the aforementioned ambiguous posts. Because if a post is ambiguous, the girls utr status hasn't been revealed.

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It doesn't necessarily involve handing over money to TER. I would suggest to you that TER tries to do more for the people who contribute more. If you find what TER offers wasteful of your time and money, I can't blame you, you should do what you feel comfortable with.

Your opinions on what you find acceptable are noted, but they won't change what the mods will allow.

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?BoardID=23&MessageID=71725

"That's what PM's and back channeling are for.  So if you're a VIP member, I'd suggest asking someone to PM you if they know the answer, or provide an email address where you can be reached."

Again: I want to encourage people to get in the habit of PMing/emailing this stuff.

What do the rules of this board have to do with you meeting a UTR?
I dont think you would want a provider to post your information on a public board, so why does that change for a provider?  You would be pming the mods asap to remove that information, so dont blame the rules.

Since your brought up private messages,  wouldnt that be a better way to communicate private information than on an open board?   Oh, but you cant since you dont have VIP.  Well, if you think that is the only way to get the information you need, then you should invest in a membership.  If you get your UTR, isnt the money spent on membership worth it?  

You blame the mods and TER for making it harder on you to get your information.  Well, it is YOUR responsibility to get that information and not them.  Instead of wasting your time on fingerpointing, go out and see a porn star.  
 

Unfortunately the following ambiguous conversation is apparently against the rules, If someone were to ask, "Is x girl available? and someone responds, "You may want to check with y agency for information on that." That isn't allowed.

Now was the girls status revealed? Not at all. The person asking was merely pointed in a direction that can possibly help them.

So that is fine to do. Or I would think it should. Since it revealed nothing and was merely helpful.

As for agencies. Pam nor Lourdes will even discuss utr's with anyone unless they're verified.

As for the easy solution, I would propose that if someone wants to get around the burdensome issue of having to get verified just to have a question answered and doesn't wish to waste money on a VIP membership they should post their email in the body of the message so they can be contacted about the girl in question.

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I respectfully disagree about the ranches in Nevada (or whereever they are)....For me, i could never go to a ranch & see absolutely no appeal to them at all because of several factors, though there is one main reason...

Sorry, it would be far more exciting to sit in a United Airlines Red Carpet Lounge and read the New York Times for a few hours than go to a ranch...

Wrapping this discussion up we see then that there are three options at this point to discuss utr's since public talk on the board is forbidden.

1. Get a VIP membership and pm someone about it.

2. Contact agencies directly.

3. Leave ones email in your message and people will email you about a given girl.

Going by these methods resolves the issue.

Not everyone that doesn't want to waste money on a vip membership is a window shopper.

And this forum is about assisting those with questions.

You hit the nail on the head, Bob.

"So, the purpose of this thread is to help dudes get the lady they are looking for, who might not be widely known as available. "

That really is the bottom line, "to help dudes get the lady they are looking for."

But there are a number of things that are truly annoying about some of the posts regarding UTR availability:

1)  Although many guys are serious in their inquiry, others are merely curious, or window shoppers.  In those cases, that is all the more reason NOT to reveal any UTR information, by PM or email or otherwise.

2)  Nearly every agency has UTR ladies, so the logical thing is to simply contact an agency.  Even if they do not represent a particular lady, they may know who does.  If a guy is too lazy to contact an agency for himself, why does he impose on everyone else?

3)  It is ingrained in human nature to want "something for nothing."  In some cases, what a guy really wants is to bypass the agency fee, and get direct contact information in order to save money.  In the case of a UTR lady, though, that is definitely a paradox.  If the main object is to chisel down on price, then the LAST place to start is with a UTR.  There are many less expensive alternatives.  And as many members here have expressed over the years, a lot of "house girls" at the legal Nevada brothels are just as beautiful (although certainly not as famous) as a lot of the UTR providers, these house girls provide a great service and a memorable experience, and often for about 10% of what a UTR lady charges.  So if money is a concern, the best advice is to travel to the Bunnyranch or Sheri's Ranch or some other legal brothel in Nevada.  You will spend a lot less, and have as good (or better) a time.

4)  Getting back to point 2) for a moment.  I hope I am not violating the rules regarding how often a provider or agency can be "advertised" on this board.  But I am including the link for informational purposes.  Currently, Pam has several dozen "UTR" providers listed only by general description of cup size and hair color (e.g. "C Blond" or "D Brunette") as well as hourly rate and base city.  Pam is very easy to work with, and if a hobbyist is serious (not just curious, or a window shopper), she can be extremely helpful in hooking you up with a UTR provider.

Yes that was it...They don't even do BBBJ there (at ranches), let alone what i want...And there are no exceptions to my policy either...

But as ive stated before, i totally understand the ranches are ideal for some, i get that..As you stated, ranches provide anonymity, they have a luxury resort feel with the bars, hot tubs, etc...Some guys will feel safer there, ie; highly unlikely they'll be cashed/dashed at a brothel...

What won't fly is this:

First poster: Is (porn star X) available?
Second poster: Check with (agency Y).

You didn't do that, you pointed out something non-specific.

And yeah, you've cut to my points quite well.

Related point:  Anyone with the money to book a UTR porn star should not complain about the relatively puny cost of a VIP membership on TER.

"Anyone wishing to play at the level of big name UTR porn stars who isn't smart enough to seek advice from agencies with a solid reputation for handling such bookings probably isn't smart enough to make the money necessary to book one."

I don't think being smart enough equals the ability to make money to book one [ UTR or PSE ]. If you were smart in the financial sense you would never spend that kind of money on a hour of time.  That is more of having the freedom of spending money anyway you want because of income status. Which can come from family wealth, hard work, luck, at the expense of others or being in the right place at the right time.

"The issue about utr's personally since I already know which utr's are available and I know where to get additional information on them if necessary."
 
       Its good to be in the know right?  

"The problem however is that not everyone wants to or can waste the money on a vip membership, and for those who are in that category, what option is there? "
     
      Their option is to sit at home and whine into their beer.  Before I was on TER, I was meeting pornstars but I had to do a lot of work to get them. I had to drive all over town, pay for admissions, makes trips, pay tips and so forth.  I shelled out enough and here we are worried about guys that cant pay $20.  Who do I talk to to get my money back?  This is a game, You have to pay to play!  If you cant pay $20 maybe you need another game.  

      Why are you so worried about the window shoppers?  If they cant afford $20, how will they be able to afford a UTR's rate?   I bet the next thread to this will be to have UTRs lower their rates because not everyone can afford them.    
 

Alert the media.

You can't do that here. Accept it and you will be at peace.

As for the easy solution, I would propose that if someone wants to get around the burdensome issue of having to get verified just to have a question answered and doesn't wish to waste money on a VIP membership they should post their email in the body of the message so they can be contacted about the girl in question.

Have you ever thought for a minute why a lady becomes a UTR?  She is guarding her identity for various reasons. She could have a successful civie life, family, contract requirement, avoiding a stocker, abusive clients, just wants to see a few referred clients from another lady and the list goes one.  

Why is everyone entitled to know a UTRs status?

You're right, Moose, a private session may not be an "Apples and Oranges" comparison to a session at a Nevada legal brothel.  And as we've discussed before, I believe the "one main reason" that you are referring to is the "Absolutely no exceptions to the CONDOMS ONLY policy."  And for some guys, that can be a total dealbreaker.

I'm mainly referring to the Nevada brothels as a less expensive alternative to costly porn stars, and in particular to very expensive UTR's.

In addition to the issue of cost, the Nevada brothels enable complete anonymity.  As long as you have the requisite cash, your personal identity is irrelevant.  Your identity is revealed only if you wish to pay by credit card.

The bottom line regarding UTR providers, as Bob pointed out, is respect for their desire to remain Under The Radar, whatever their reason for wanting to do so.  If a hobbyist is willing to go through the verification process, and work with any of the agencies that are discussed on TER (well, maybe not "any," but certainly with any of the highly recommended ones), then he should eventually be able to determine the availability of the lady of his choice if she happens to be UTR.

Going that route, the lady's UTR status remains "confidential", and the only guys for whom this approach is a problem, it would seem, are the merely curious, the window shoppers, and of course the tightwads and cheapskates.

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I wanted to say to the moderators that as a service representing many UTR stars from both adult and mainstream entertainment I appreciate very much that the policies on disclosure are tighter now.Eddie was a dear friend of mine and he always respected my boundaries about my roster. I have always been one of the more guarded services regarding my portfolio and I personally would have 86'd any client who I found hinting that a high profile lady was available through my service. I require the signing of binding non-disclosure agreements for several of the ladies I represent. Kudos to TER for taking this seriously because it makes it easier for services like mine to assure women their privacy is a closely guarded secret and also attracts higher profile ladies in the process.
Thank you....

I am not sure why you are so convinced you know which ladies are UTR OC3025 but I beg to differ. Not one of my clients knows my entire list and I know with absolute certainty that  I have many ladies NO ONE else has. I evaluate a clients eligibility to see certain portions of my roster on a case by case basis. Its called smart business for a service that has the bulk of its portfolio UTR.  I think if you are advising people here about how to go about this you may start by admitting that since you are not a client of my service which happens to be a long standing and well known representative of UTR stars you don't know "which utr's are available". You know the availability of the roster of services who have allowed you access.
I think ambiguity defeats the purpose of respecting the privacy of ladies who choose to keep their availability private save for those that have met agreed upon standards set with their agents. If a client is truly interested in booking UTR's he should go to the agencies known to specialize in them and discuss his options for gaining access. I offer several options and we are not the only service who has these kind of ladies although many of the ladies we have are not available elsewhere,particularly the mainstream entertainment ladies.
That is the simplest and soundest advice I can offer but I have 6 years experience with booking very high profile UTR's so I think that qualifies me to weigh in.

Nicole



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