This is for the guys and gals.

So, you've confirmed the appt a few times, everything appears to be a go. You have a plave to meet, or you arrive at some mutually agreed upon location. You are on time maybe even a few minutes early.

five minutes go by, then ten. No phone call. hmmm...you call them and it goes to voicemail.

How long to you wait at that point before saying "heck with it" and leaving?

If he or she calls you and they are going to be 30 minutes late, then what? I know this would greatly depend on what you had going on for the rest of the day/evening.

This has happened to me a few times. The longest I ever waited
was a half an hour. On every occassion though the waiting didn't
pay off. Now I'm gone after 15minutes.

I typically confirm about an hour before the appointment.  If I can't get ahold of the person, I base it on gut instinct (whether I've seen them before, if I have a potential backup plan, cost of room, etc.)

Well, it's all depending on situation, how many times we've met before and so on. But, generally, 30 minutes if the calls go to voicemail. 1 hour if she calls that she is late.

It's not only the providers time that's money....

Sarah, after just looking at your pics for the first time, I would NEVER keep you waiting..I may even arrive a DAY early for you just to calm down from all the excitement of playing with you..ouch youre adorable..ill start saving for your trip to NY today!

In the case of my ATF I only confirm once, usually a week in advance and if she is 5min late Iam calling her house to find out where she is, usually just getting out of the shower (lol) but since our sessions last 5 or 6 hrs a few mins is no big deal and conversely when Iam early I call her and tell her to shake her booty, as I dont like to cool my heels.

as always

Happy Hunting

Usually, I confirm before the appointment.  If 10-15 minutes roll by without hearing from her, then I consider it as not happening.

If the person has convinced me they're serious and they're really truly on the way ("Swear ta God, I'm there in 30 minutes or I'll comp your session for you!"), I'll wait.  If they're less convincing ("I'm running a little late with something, and I'll be there soon... um, what city was it we were supposed to meet in, anyway?"), then screw it, we're rescheduling or cancelling.

I won't wait more than about 15 minutes past our scheduled appointment time without some kind of communication back from the other person -- I'll leave one "hey, where the hell are you?" message after 5-10 minutes, and follow it up with a "I waited 15 minutes and never heard from you -- have a nice day, because I've gone on about my other business" message after the person is 15-20 minutes late.

This is a business relationship, and you don't keep people that you're doing business with waiting long without some kind of explanation.  If that explanation is something like, "Hey, you see that big column of smoke coming up from downtown? Yeah, that's a five-alarm fire that has traffic tied up, and I'm getting around it as fast as I can", then I can understand and deal with it.  If it's something like, "I was screwing around on my PlayStation and totally lost track of the time", then we're done.

Yep, I'd agree with that. If it is the ATF, that puts things on a completely different level. We've run into canceled flights, etc ... stuff that is really out of her control. She's always made up for it, though.

If we are discussing the "standard" PSE 'date', then 30 minutes would be my max. At that point, I'm going to the Eros web-site and reaching for my telephone.

A better question might be what do you do when a PSE no-shows?, do you come on this board and bitch and let everyone know?.

as always

Happy Hunting

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I consider myself an optomist! I would wait 30minutes maybe 45min if she is hot. Waited a whole hour for my last appointment with no show. Oh well, she did have a good excuse but it really sucked not seeing that day. Hope that helps.

Isn't that what the review boards are basically intended for, to find out who the rip-off are who will just waste your time? For risk assessment for a great, ok, or bad experience? A tool for clients to screen us?

Obviously, it sucks when anyone flakes in any situation.Common courtesy of letting someone know you are going to be late, changed your mind, can't make it, or whatever else, should apply.

In the film side of the industry I know some of the biggest flakes you can imagine, and they still get booked day after day. Some even book them and tell them a time 2 hours before they are supposed to be there because they know tha gal will be late anyway or not show up and they'll have time to find someone else.

In the past there have been some well known PSE's who have no-showed or have cancelled and been slow to return deposits and the hobbyist would come on this board to complain, after having made several attempts to contact the PSE for an explanation and you would not believe the responses of some members, not only where they not sympathetic, but they were down right hostile accusing the hobbyist of causing the problem and maybe even being a liar. This is really not a forum for sharing information, its a PSE fan club where guys can come on this board and bragg.

as always

Happy Hunting

There are 2 parts to answer this question. First is the phrase you used above Sarah, common courtesy. Sadly, this is fast becoming a thing of the past. All of the hobby relationships start as a business relationship. Who would like to be treated so lousy in any business situation? It's all around you today, virtually anywhere you go.

Secondly, a certain percentage of our population has always been the type to be late or no show. I don't know how they were brought up, but it's just  rude and ignorant.

It doesn't matter which side is the guily party. It happens far too often, period.

Looks like you answered your own question about this board but if you reread my post, I said the review boards, not the PSE board specifically. I have been a member of TER for over a year, I just chose not to participate much due to the flaming and lack of topics that interested me enough to comment on or felt I didn't have any useful information to ad.

I was invited to contribute to the PSE board by one of the moderators, so please stop waving your "boys only" flag at me and jump at the opportunity to talk down to me. There seems to be a lot of information being shared on this board as well as camaraderie, funny stores and the like by both sides. The PSE board actually has a lighter, happier feel to it than it used to. Maybe a little more like what was described as "the good old days"

I could be wrong, I might have taken your post the wrong way and if so I retract.

In my opinion, if a gal doesn't return your deposit because she had to cancel, then it’s stealing and there shouldn't be a reason that someone shouldn't be able to warn others. The reason for the backlash might be the same reason that someone would automatically discount any negativity said of someone that they are a fan or friends with. People even do it with the mainstream celebrities that they don't even know. And a pack mentality ensues. Then again, if the guy was a liar or misunderstood what a deposit means, then states a gripe, the backlash may have been warranted. But since we really aren't there with either party to see what really happened, you have to use your own judgment. Who is making the complaint?

Its always a good idea to ask about the return policy of a deposit before making it and read her website for any policy she may have in place for such a situation. It is a business and should be treated as such. Many don’t understand this concept but the successful ladies do.

This should have probably been in a new thread about deposits when booking a PSE.

I didnt make that post to start an argument and if I offended you in some way Iam sorry, but I don't think you really understand this board, go back 3 or 4 years and read the posts and you will get a better feel for things, only newbies glean information from this board, and thats because they didnt know anything coming into this hobby, the only real information ever exchanged on this board is done back channel and if you dont think this board is all about bragging rights why do you think they put the number of reviews next to a posters name every time he makes a post?. You say you have been on this board for a year and thats great, wish you had posted earlier diversity of opinion is what this board needs instead of everyone chasing after the flavor of the month and the newbies falling into lockstep with a few so called senior hobbyists. One year on this board doesnt make you an expert, I should know, Ive been here since day one and Iam not an expert on anything. (ROTFLMAO)

as always

Happy Hunting

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Well said Sarah.  I, for one, have really enjoyed this board since sly started moderating.  It's the first stop I make every morning when I surf the net and I've found lots of helpful info and interesting anecdotes.

First, you have to confirm the date, at least a hour before. In my experience if they don't confirm, call back or showup within 15 minutes they're not coming.

Hey Sarah,

I'm so glad that you have decided to participate at my invitation. You and hurcaneman are right that FastEddie and I are trying to change the attitude on this board. jldick may be correct in what the board has been for the last few years, but that's not what our vision for what the board has quickly become the last few months. We hope for it to become even better over time, and your participation is VERY welcome. I know you told me that you had no patience for the "flame wars" of the past, so please don't leave us because of some guys who think they know what this board is all about for the rest of us! We need and want your perspective, so please invite all your friends to join in and help us in our quest to make this a great place for us guys to meet you porn goddesses online

Your new friend,

Sly

Hey all,

Hi Sarah it was great to talk on the phone the other day. You are one of the few great people that I have meet thru my 10+ yrs in the adult industry.

Hey Ed was great to talk also. I will add any insight that i might have as you asked.

As for this board and its concept and what its became. Some of you know me most dont. I personally got sick of this board about 9 months to a yr ago. Really a few months before Ed decided to leave. FYI I love PSE group Ed.

My 2 cents is this if your on this board you obviously should of seen quit a few ladies before moving onto the PSE ladies. This is just my opinion. You dont buy a Lamborgini as a kids first car at 16. That being said if you new to the game as I like to call it start out with some local ladies learn the lingo and what your suppost to do. Do your research, as much as guys dont want to hear it research is key. Reasearch means getting to know others on these boards gaining a name that gives you some credibility. Once you have reached that point then start reaching out to the list of PSE you would like to see.

I know probably 3/4 of the PSE working mostly from the actual work side where they earn there PSE label. I'm sorry very few new porn girls are worth of a PSE tag or there ridiculious rates. Just my personal opinion. PSE are woman like Tami Monroe ( my first PSE)  Jennifer steele, Devon, Tawny Roberts, Brittany Skye and Keisha the list goes on.

Really this board is more ment to stay informed build relationships witth others. If there is a problem to bring it light in a neutral no hostile way so you can get to the bottom of what happepend and still get to live out your dream with that PSE. So guys this is a very unique board with some very very unique women that love to meet us and hang out make friends. But you have to earn your strips in a sense. Take it slow and above all be informed.

The less hostile this board is the more female particpation we will get. And honestly you can do more for yourself off this board and probably Ed's group then any agency can really do. Be creative and have fun.

On a side not if there is any hit that timing is bad I always try to reschdule so that i can have the best time.

I have a unique perspective about all of this for several reasons. So keep happy ,do your research and have a damm good time.

John

Glad to have you back!

Sly

Dude, get over it. Don't you realize that the board has been taken back from idiots like you, Catatonic and all the other negative downers? I wish the moderators would moderate these guys to make this a better place for the rest of us.

Cheers to the future, where real info can be shared directly with porn industry insiders!


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JlDick is my real name and its already taken, I would appreciate it if the moderators would moderate people like you who hide behind their computer and make posts just to cause trouble, come back when you grow up and find a more original handle.

as always

Happy Hunting

I wasn't offended just merely disagree with you and stated why, and pointed out that you  misread something. I have no reason to argue, debating is healthy. If everyone agreed, then it would be boring. I'm mature enough to discuss topics without throwing stones and its pretty difficult to offend me. You might annoy the hell out of me but I wasn't offended.

I never said I was an expert but I see the different trend that the board is taking and stated what I noticed since I became a member. Change is also a good thoing so brace yourself.

Thanks Sly I don't sweat the downers and they don't scare me. I've encountered them all my life and they tend to amuse me more than anything. Maybe its my "chihuahua complex"(very similar to a nepolean complex ) but I won't be intimidated off the board or any other. It just lights more fire under my ass to continue to bring up topics that relate. I won't claim to know everything about anything but I have been in various parts of the adult industry for around 5 years so hopefully even those that have been around this board since its conception can gleam some knowledge, learn something new, or simply be entertained.

So, I did exactly what I intended to. I brought up a topic, and people were interested and had an opinion. The thread was hijacked but oh well, it got people talking.

HuGz,
Sarah

.... mainly because she made get the room and I had no option other than to wait until she finally showed up.

But as Sarah Blake pointed out, you have a penchant for misreading.

And, no, I wasn't the author of that post.

To be slightly more exact, she called 30 minutes late to postpone 1 hour, then called to postpone 2 more hours, then called to postpone 1 more hour, then finally showed up 30 minutes past that.

There have been a lot of movers and shakers on this board over the years and most of them are gone and the newbies don't even know their names.

as always

Happy Hunting

And now you WANT the moderators to moderate me?
A few message down; you were happy to see the moderators silent for the day.
Make up your mind.

happy hunting jldiad


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You raise multiple questions in your inquiry related to communication methods and standards of courtesy.  An inpependent provider may take direct cellular calls or have an assistant as a buffer.  If I am late to an appointment, for example, stuck in NYC traffic, I try to call in route and give an update.  That might not do any good if my call goes into voice mail.  I know that the time slot I have booked is sacred in most cases.  I may be charged for extra time if my time goes over the original period or cut short at the original end time.  What would frustrate me is to call and warn of the delay and then have my appointment cancelled when I am on my way and call ahead.  If a provider is in session, say with a regular, who she chooses to extend even with another appointment approaching, the provider should do the incoming arrival the cortesy of cancelling or delaying the appontment.  Guys, be courtesous and warn of delays or cancellations.  If uou don't have a cellular phone, stop and call ahead by pay phone.   Both sides should be on time, but sometimes there are extenuating circumstances.   I agree that either way, a half our without contact is a walk time.

I would have to agree with Sly about changing the tone of the board to welcome porn stars and members in general.  The whole point of guys coming on to the porn star board is to check out where the hot porn stars are--not to get into arguments with other dudes, etc.  So, welcome Sarah....there's always going to be one or two guys that write with a harsher tone, but it doesn't necessarily reflect the rest who are just reading through the porn star board to check out porn stars websites and reviews.

...that you accuse us of. Too cowardly to use your regular handle as well.

This board is tame and in the main non argumentative. It clearly is not argumentative to the extent that threads are being crashed or people feel unable to post giving, the moderators sleepless nights. It's a big bad world, surely you can find something else to whinge about before your bedtime cocoa?

Dude, let's try to stay positive, and I'll go away!!!!! I like the NEW board, so maybe its time for you to get with the program?

PS - bedtime cocoa is my favoirite!!!

You can usually tell when you are going to get stood up by a provider, like no pick up on the call 10 min before and no call back if it goes to VM. So I will wait about 10 min, I figure it's their financial loss. And they always have some lame excuse for why they missed the app.  I will never give a provider a second chance, why should I, there are plenty of provide that honor their appointments.  As for a provider, I say you wait 20 mins and only if he calls, w/o a call 10 mins.