that a lady can appear smoking hot in her porn videos, but her escort reviews indicate a tepid performance at best in some cases. I understand the covered vs uncovered aspect of it, but some acts that are performed on camera, aren't performed with clients. Perhaps a few of the ladies on here could speak to this.........MfSD>>>>

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well speaking from what i hear

when a ps is on set they are tested by aim thats explains covered vs uncovered
as far as performance  remember they are on camara and many PS are acting or even facking orgasams i am told but there are some that are for real in there performance

hence the name ACTORS

but that is my .02 if i am off base i am sorry
hogan

Very good hogan, I like your explanation.

as always
HAPPY HUNTING

acting as well?

Again, I have seen some smoking hot scenes by various porn actresses, and then read their reviews, and was surprised at how staid and unmotivated they seemed with their escort clients. Which is one reason I've largely avoided porn actresses, at least until my upcoming Vegas trip............

Maybe the camera?  Hotter scenes +popularity +$$$$ +feature dancing +$$$$ Just a guess.

it could be a result of the guys behavior. I think escorting is a bit more intimate than performing in front of the camera and if the guy doesn't know how to handle himself the girl can only fake it so much.

My worst PSE experience was when I took a flier and went with an unreviewed girl - I still had a good time but it wasn't phenomenal(Sp?).

Otherwise my experiences have been awesome!

carl

Great post MfSD.  Now that I can walk into any porn store and see 20 or so very familiar faces staring back at me, I qualify to reply to this.

My feeling is that porn actresses are just like any other group of women...some fabulous, some not.  I was just with Kayla Kleevage in Vegas, and I was amazed at how mediocre she was, yet Anna Malle and Ava Devine among others I've been with are absolutley hotter with me than anything I've ever seen on screen.  Some women just genuinely love sex and some don't.  On video, it's hard to tell who's the real deal and who's not.  Once again, God bless TER.


Jacksonlips

Some are just doing the escort thing for the money.  The ones that actually like what they do can be seen by their reviews.  Go with a proven winner and you won't be disappointed.

PM me if you want a list.

Often it is merely the chemistry between client/ escort, the attitude the gent comes to the door with (often based on demands or expectations from previous reviews,) the lack of genuine interest on the performer's part to be with that person, or the gent's preconceived notion that since she "does on camera" than she will automatically be that way in person... without the need to be "warmed up."

Just my 2cents... but what do I know...

SL

I think your points are all well taken Sinn. I have seen some porn where the actors were obviously in to it(have seen Jake Steed actually fall asleep while performing) and others where they weren't.

Clients should be aware that they may not experience what they see in the videos. As for me, I think KW will rock my world later this month, and I've never seen any of her vids...... (:

MfSD>>>>>

re the PS'S -well simply put it's all about the money, not the sex. The separation of you and your $$$ is what makes them hot, not your porker.

The old saw, "you get what you pay for" doesn't always ring true in this business, many guys are paying the ladies much more than they ever made in a video scene and yet the performance is less than great.

as always
HAPPY HUNTING

That fact right there is what has turned me off so far to PSEs. I can't believe the expense that some ask for and then just lay there.  There have been plenty I've been interested in, but just can't see spending the money for 1 hour of lust.  I've been disappointed when I've only paid $$ for nonpse.  When the hour is done, all you have to show for it is a smaller savings account.  Sure, "oh the memories" as some say... but memories fade... my monthly mortgage payment does not.

Some day I will see a PSE, but I'm not sure when at this momment.

Guys.... think about the whole deal.  A PS is doing incall on tour.  She sees how many guys in a day and for how many days.  Do you really think anybody can have blissful sex all day every day.  Does the human body even let anyone do that?

Seeing a PS is meeting that person one on one and getting the luxury of their body for x amount of time bought.  Women are more picky than men who they like sexually.

Its all acting on the camera.  

Just my 2cents.

Well I think first and foremost you need to do your homework check all you can out about her performance and then be a gentleman and give her respect .You gotta realize  she isnt on the set with a bunch of people it is just the 2 of you so she might be nervous intimidated scared etc. With all of the agencies out there making money moving the rate up for girls that are not worth it at all.The camera hides alot about attitude disposition etc.I have been fortunate and done my homework and seen some great ladies.Kathy Willets Keisha Ryan Conner Sara Jay and Im interested in seeing several others ...I think you should try it first pick out a good one that turns you on and do your homework reviews read the boards etc.

In my experience, there are two kinds of PSE's... those who are highly sexual beings who enjoy what they do, and those who are doing it only for the money.

People like Kathy Willets, Miko Lee, Sinnamon Love, Keisha, Nikki Diamond, Anna Malle, Sara Jay, etc. fall into the first group...

Some others, who I won't mention, really don't want to be there to begin with, so you're not going to have a great time...

And as Sinnamon said, it's often a matter of chemistry... even the ladies who love what they do are human beings... if you go into a meeting with the attitude that "Hey, I paid for the time, she's mine to do with what I want", then you're likely to come away disappointed, but if you approach the meeting as a fan who is getting to live out his biggest fantasy, the lady will sense that and do what she can to make that fantasy come true.

In porn, the girl's performance is what makes her sought after... let's face it, there are a lot of pornstars who aren't drop dead gorgeous who have had long careers in the business, primarily for their steamy off the wall sexuality... Sharon Mitchell comes to mind for one.  

So the girl knows when she's making a video that the more wild she seems on video, the more in demand she'll be, the more videos she'll make, and the higher fees she can command.

Pornstar escorting, on the other hand, is in a large part based solely on her fame as a pornstar, not because of her performace as an escort.  Guys think with their dicks, and no matter how bad a review a PSE gets, there are guys who will put out the bucks to be with her due to the jones he's had for her while watching her videos... She doesn't have the same incentive to give 100%, since she knows she'll still make plenty of money regardless of her performace in person...  

Remember, people like us who read these boards are a very small percentage of the men who utilize agencies like Exotica and Body Miracle... For every guy who sees a pornstar and writes a review, there's probably dozens who don't.  A case in point is Chasey Lain... on her first tour in NYC, she had over 90 appointment requests (obviously she couldn't see 90 guys, but we can assume she was booked solid)... But out of those who did see her, there wasn't ONE review posted.

So do your homework... and you'll be able to avoid the mediocre ladies and never be disappointed.  In over 30 PSE encounters, I've never had a bad time... some were better than others, but I've never walked out of the room regretting the meeting.

Thomas, if you ever make it out to LA, there are many first class PSE's who you can see in the 300-500 range and these same ladies command 1000-1400 when booking through an agency, at least if her performance doesnt live up to your expectations, the sting is not that painful, because you have only paid 1/3 the agency price and you have saved enough, that you can see that other PSE of your dreams.

as always
HAPPY HUNTING

I have read what you all have written and I agree with Sinnamon on the most part. A lot of the Time bote PSE and client are nervous, there are only 2 of you and that affects it a lot.
ALSO most of hte time in movies We,porn stars, pick who we work with, or we have worked with them before.
IN my opionion I like private appearances better than doing movies. It allows me to express my sexuality in whatever position, motion or action That I want with a little help from the client of course....But in a movie its quite different. Were being told how to fuck, when to "cum" and Lets be honest When i Fake it, its always over the top loud and nasty, thats what the camera wants, when i cum sometimes its just so intense that I cant do anything more than let my muscles tighten up and barely breathe through it.
Remeber that its all Per Experience per girl.
I am sure that a client has come to me and left thinking that it wasnt his best experience BUT its due to pre conceived notions of how the event would take place and didnt happen to his standards, that also affects it

First off, great post Fast (and I'm not a shill for Mr. Eddie either).

Second, Eddie, tell me it's not true.  You've only see 30 porn stars?!?!  I thought it was more like 300.

EA

Well, I've always gone for quality over quantity, which is why I haven't had a bad experience

An interesting point... I once asked a pornstar who is one of the top rated ladies how she can get enthusiastic about meeting guys, not all of them hunks, a couple of times a day for days at a time....

Her answer was that the fact that someone was willing to pay her $1500 for an hour of her time was an aphrodesiac to her.  In other words, the money obviously was the primary motivation, but the concept that someone thought she was hot enough to spend that amount aroused her sexually, and she also felt that she had to make sure that the guy felt that he was right,  that she was indeed worth the money, so she always gives 110%.  There is definitely an ego thing involved.  So she might not be necessarily attracted physically to the client, but she's getting off on the whole concept of the arrangement.  And as long as she's getting off and your getting off, what could be better, regardless of the reasons?

So, when we get down to the crux of the matter, it's YMMV after all is said and done.

what is YMMV?

Hey, Sin, guess what? You could be earning dollars instead of giving away cents! How you ask? By actually answering your email. Still waiting to hear from you regarding where and when and how on Charmain Star. It only took three emails to get a confirmation that she can be booked through you and the price, now I sorta hoped this part of the tranaction would take less work (however, this little nudge makes it my third attempt already at setting up an appointment with Ms. Star through you.)Just a little message telling me what's up would help. Confirming a time and place would be even better. Oh well, I guess if I don't have to work for it, then it's just not worth it.

Sorry to do this in public, but this is the only place I can be sure I'll get your attention. The whole email thing just doesn't seem to be your top priority.  

Slant "Why Can't Everything Be As Easy As Setting Up An Appoinment at PC" Eater



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Maybe it is because there is a director that says thats hot lets stop and you redo it with a little more feeling. Isnt that the way they do it in mainstream movies.  anyways just cause something looks hot on video it may not be very comfprtable in real life.

Hey Jackson, I couldn't agree more with what you said about Ava and pretty much everything except Kayla, I met her last year and she was a total wildcat, She did so many things that I read she didn't do in her reviews. BBBJ, DFK and pretty much everything except greek, Yes I know YMMV, but I wouldn't think that she would fall off that much?

Candy Cotton, Sinnamon and Keisha also seem to love what they do and just really enjoy sex.

Most I have seen have been very close to what they are like on screen, some have went far beyond like Ava and Candy, but then again a couple have not been even close like Lovette. Now Lovette was a far cry from what you see on video, don't get me wrong I had an allright time and she is an incredible looking woman and a lot of fun to talk to, but she is not even close to what she acts like in a video.

Isn't it crazy to walk into a store and just start saying, I was with her, her, her...just a wierd feeling sometimes. I had a guy recently say to me at a video store, have you seen any of this womans films yet and he pulled out a copy of one of Ava Devines films and lets just say he called me a lair when I told him not only have I seen some of her films, I had been with her in private three times. Oh well, maybe I'll have to bring him a copy of one of the movies i shot with ava for him to check out

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"Pornstar escorting, on the other hand, is in a large part based solely on her fame as a pornstar, not because of her performace as an escort.  Guys think with their dicks, and no matter how bad a review a PSE gets, there are guys who will put out the bucks to be with her due to the jones he's had for her while watching her videos... She doesn't have the same incentive to give 100%, since she knows she'll still make plenty of money regardless of her performace in person..."

I agree with this part of your post by and large FE. I am sure many guys are still willing to drop rather large donations on ladies whose escort reviews are maybe not the best, but they're still willing to pony up for the "experience" of being with this fantasy they saw on screen. Personally I would never go down this road, the lady would have to have great reviews........that said, I've always harbored a strong desire to bone Janette Littledove ( : so I'd make an exception for her. Never reviewed anywhere, and probably never worked as an escort.......

The ladies I'd be willing to try without a review would be Celeste and Rachael Ashley... Yowzah!

meaning that the experience the reviewer had may not be the same as others may receive... Usually used in the context of his getting a top-level performace; bbbj, dfk, etc...  and implying that some may not.  (kinda an ego thing on the reviewer's part, but not necessarily untrue)

...but I find it kind of cute that a provider doesn't know what YMMV means, makes Sam seem kind of innocent, which if you've read any of her reviews you know she's not, I look forward to finally seeing you sometime soon, with both of us in Maryland we should try to meet

Big Poppa

Here's a thought, If there is a particular question you asked regarding Miss Starr's particular's - you may be waiting for me to gather the details from her...

SL

I've heard that the health certificates are sometimes overlooked on porn sets, or that they're not always current. I wouldn't know though, having never been on a porn set, although I have been asked once to do some still action shots with a lady, and her photographer, for fun and personal photos........

I appreciate your input on the porn set "scene". It would seem that you're more comfotable, and more passionate working in video, then in the time you spend with escort clients. I appreciate your candor on this point, as other guys on this board probably do as well. I'm not sure what you mean by negotiating the unegotiable though............unreasonable client requests perhaps?

Why would I take offense? I look a lot more like Peter than Ron ( :   Thanks for taking the time to respond.      

MfSD>>>>>>>

Thanks Amber for your insight always nice to see the ladies participate. Acouple of other things are that companies do negotiate scene rates and alot of times performers are late or flake and they dont end up working with the person they thought they were.When they are late for a call time and then the performers end up spending alot longer on the set than was planned in some cases hours more.Alot of the guys on set have wood problems (getting a hardon ) and it is really tough for the guys it is not as easy as you would think camera lights people you dont know etc.Id really like to hear some other ladies thoughts as well

I just wish you'd keep me in the loop so it doesn't appear as if I'm simply being ignored.  Status is always apprectiated. Thank you for your help.

I agree with everything you said, and maybe I was slightly hard on Kayla.  She WAS a good time, and did everything you mentioned, just not off the charts.  Forgive me...I had just been with Ava Devine the night before....I think my point of reference got scewed all to hell.  Ava completely knocks all comparison charts out of whack.

Besides, I acknowledge that I'm certainly not everyone's cup of tea.

Jacksonlips

I get tested by AIM monthly, I am there to attend to the womans needs also and I allways F@$K BACK BABY!!! LOL

Big Poppa

Ps If we ever meet I'll bring someone to do your hair and make up, so then I can mess it all up

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To be honest with you I dont know what a lot of the abbreviations mean. i just assume what most of them mean because its obvious but THANKS for thinking i am innocent

There have been several posts about this very subject... gents want ladies/ agents to respond immediately to every singel email sent/ received and it isn't always possible. I myself receive over 500+ emails daily... between my web design business (clients, affiliates, web masters & models,) my personal fan mail, both public and private appearances for myself and models that my co represents, (and people wonder why I say to contact my assistant...!) If there is something you want an answer to and I don't have an answer - I will get and answer and reply accordingly... it kills my bandwidth to have to send a one-liner, "I'll let you know soon as she returns the call," to numerous people, (yes, all my email runs through my website not some other service.) Be patient... we are all important, and I want to make everyone happy.

SL

Something else to consider is that when we read a review, we are only getting the reviewer's side of the story. He may have gotten a lukewarm session because he was an asshole.

I agree 100 % with that. I try to see several reviews and reviews from posters I have seen post before and respect .....and bachchannel also

I was on the net the other day Amber, and saw what appears to be a recent photo spread of yours. You're obviously in wonderful shape and looked gorgeous....... Being over 40 myself, I can appreciate taking the time to stay trim and fit.

I am curious about the intimidation aspect that you mention. Is there any chance that you could do something differently with your clients to avoid this?

The same chemistry that you mention as being crucial on a set, is also important with a client, but not to the same degree of course. And we clients do have a responsibility too in making a session go well.  I think the "rest of the population" is aware that you need us, as much as we need you. In this particular equation however, you ladies hold the keys to the kingdom, so to speak ( :

MfSD>>>>>>>>>

40+ isn't so bad.....now 50 ( : I appreciate you taking the time to reveal some of your insights Amber. I've always thought the porn set/escort scenarios, were two different dynamics, and it's apparent from what you're saying, at least in your own particular case, that you see it that way as well. Safe travels Amber...........MfSD>>>>>>>>