I want to take a moment to thank the board for helping me with my date with Raquel. I was concerned about her current appearance and you guys came through big time with some updated pics. Well the moment was about to arrive and as I'm getting dressed my cell phone rings and I'm told that her current client decided to do an overnite. So much for the sanctity of the appointment. Got an apology and no date! As always money talks. I am by no means a high roller but I was looking forward to the date and have the means to extend which I planned on doing.

But I was offered to see her in the morning!!! How could I resist!? Hmmm, I could come in just as he leaves. Offers don't come much better than that. Beleive it or not I passed!

Talk about all dressed up with no where to go! LOL Based on what I have heard I know I missed out on something special, but this is a lesson learned. I'm looking for a relaible, passionate expereince. I think I know where to go though.

Raider

I think the Agency that made the arrangements for you had to honor your time despite the High Roller that dicided to extend his stay because Raquel was too damn good like we all have told you.

I suggest, next time to make all the arrangements thru Sue Carson, who will not fail you since you will be dealing directly with Raquel.

Sue Carson's contact: [email protected]

You are second to none and you should expose the Agency that did such thing so that the hobbyists think twice before they make any future arrangements with an Agency.

Doc

That sucks!  However, many of these girls break their appointments for various reasons, most of the time they just flake.  I am surprised you actually got a real reason.  Porn star escorts are very undependable so you should always have a backup plan.  I also think you should get a deep discount for a future meeting from either the agency or Racquel!

I think Racquel should be held responsible for breaking the appointment.  Ultimately, she is the one who broke the appointment.

This is not the case since Raquel wasn't informed about her other meetings after the High Roller's like the agencies tend to do so the ladies don't book on their own, so she should not be held responsible for something that is unknown and RAIDER knows that what I am saying is the way it happened.

Corrected me if I am wrong RAIDER?

Doc

-- Modified on 7/31/2002 9:15:01 PM

Despite you being right on this comment I am sorry to say that in this case it was the Agency that screwed him over and not Raquel as I was told the reasons why I am asking him to expose the Agency.

Again RAIDER, Correct me if I am wrong?

Doc

-- Modified on 7/31/2002 9:09:58 PM

Yes, it was the agency. If you guys don't mind, I'd like to stick with the "praise in public, criticize in private". If you'd like to know the agency, contact me via TER e-mail and I will share the info.

I agree if that is the case.  I know the agencies keep the ladies in the dark about appointments to deter them doing direct bookings.  Well now we should hear what agency was responsible and if they plan to do anything to compensate the hobbyist for lost time and expense.

Had a nite to get over the disappointment and the agency I dealt with was Safe Angles. They have an ad on Eros Boston. I had booked through them before and had no problems. Kinda considered myself a freind of the owner.  Well even your friends do you wrong from time to time. I like to see ladies when I travel and this trip to Boston was a perfect opportunity to see Raquel. And I was excited about the opportunity.

An offer was made to make it up to me. I can see Raquel when she comes to my home town. Well I guess when it fits their schedule I will be more than honored to rearrange mine to see her. That is customer service!!! I want to see Raquel, but I'm sorry I'm not going to jump through hoops to do it!

Hey guys I know this is a business. I'm not naive, but to get a call to cancel your date as you are getting dressed to meet a lady is not right. And I was smelling and looking good too! LOL

I'd love to hear from any of the more experienced porn star hobbyists if there was anything I could have done on my end to prevent this. Maybe there is more to this than calling, agreeing upon a time and rate and showing up at the agreed upon time. Hey I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

I did try Sue Carson and could not get in touch with her. Left her messages on the number Doc posted and went with Safe Angels when I saw the ad.

Anyway Mel, I'm not mad at ya! Don't know when I'll be making my next date through you either though.


Raider

While I agree with you that it is a business-and the overnight vs you for an hour or 2 is a finacially better business move-I think you also mentioned that you were considering that it turn longer too,right-which means the person after you could have theoretically been bumped.


No it wasn't right-it should have went like this-IF
RAQUEL AND THE HOOBYIST-"YA KNOW WHAT-YOU ARE SO WONDERFUL,AND I HAVE ALL THIS MONEY,I WANT TO STAY THE NIGHT WITH YOU.
Raquel-"Well gee,I am flattered,let me check with the Agency"-A call is made with the request-Agency-"Well-you ARE scheduled " for someone in an hour-let me call them and find out if they can reschedule-if not,then no"  And/or something like that if the guy called the Agency and said "I have decided I want Raquel all night,can I do it?" And then the calls are made....

But she did offer you an alternative and a phone call--which is something many other bigger agencies don't do-there must've been something in the air-because I also scheduled with a girl-Ivy-from Safe Angels-AND THIS IS IN NO WAY MELANIE'S FAULT-SHE GAVE ME THE GIRL'S PRIVATE NUMBER AND SAID SHE WAS NOT INVOLVED WITH OUR DATE-ALL BETWEEN ME AND IVY-anyway-called her,set up a date in advance-called the day to confirm-got the room early-called her-said she'd be there at the appointed time-which was 1/2 hour from the time I called-hour later-no show,no call-now the clock on the room is ticking,I have to be somewhere,then be somewhere else-so no time for lateness,then a rushed session-at 500.00 a pop-so I left-why bother to call her.On the way home I get THE call-"You said you were in room so and so right?"-No sorry,explanation,etc-Told her I left and that for that kind of money,the least she could do was be on time-especially having been a referal,booking and confirming in advance,checking in early and waiting an hour-so she lost the money,repeat business,refereals,the bachelor party I had wanted her to do also-makes Melanie look bad and is bad for the hobby...

There is this prevailing "custom" in this industry that girls won't leave or show up till you have a room number-but by default-you are then always late-that mentality is based on Hotel stays-where they guy isn't going anywhere,and is horney-so I show up when I get there-the Motel experience is completely different,but ladies are not accounting for it-so we are frustrated,hurried,unhappy,concerned about getting out on time to home,responsibilites, check out time and ultimately resentful-If the girl knows it's a motel-and they do by the address,name and directions-the girl-SHOULD be in the parking lot waiting for your call with the number to come right up-not get the call,then get in the shower to get ready to leave-that is just a lack of respect for the hobbyist-since many girls are not interested in repeat business...
This doesn't make you feel any better I am sure,but know you are not alone-

We have to make a stand against lateness and no shows-even if it means blue balls for a short time-which is why these boards for the hobbyist are a powerful weapon-and maybe our only recourse-better to have blue balls and the large sum of money in your pocket-then a rushed and non satisfiying session for a lot of money and a crappy story to tell!

LADIES-OUR TIME IS JUST AS IMPORTANT-IF NOT MORE, THEN YOUR'S-PLEASE RESPECT THAT WE PAY FOR THE ROOMS,WE PAY YOU,RE ARRANGE SCHEDULES,TRAVEL TO YOU,OR INCLUDE YOU IN OUR PLANS AND WE PROVIDE THE INCOME FOR YOU TO MAKE THIS FINANCIALLY REWARDING-

Sorry for the shouting and being so Long winded-
theplayer

I apologize for not writing sooner  ..  apparently there has been a rush to judgement and I missed it as I was busy with my clients in Boston  .. first of all  ..  Doc  ..  Sue had a family emergency and so I helped out and did the tour for Raquel  ..  so Sue/Mel  .. same thing   ..  secondly  ..  let me make this very clear  ..  I had NOTHING to do with the "theplayer's" experience in NYC  ..  I told him I was too busy to handle this for him and did a direct hook up. ..  I would like to apologize to him publicly though, as he is my friend and my client and I am very sorry for Ivy's irresponsiblity.  She was wrong ..  now to the matter at hand  ..

"Raider"  ..  I do not care to air ANYONE'S dirty laundry  .. especially not Raquel Devine's fine panties or mine  ..   suffice it to say that "Raider" did not conduct himself responsibly  ..  he was given an opportunity  ..  he did not take it  ..  someone else did  ..  simple as that  ..  he was told ahead of time EXACTLY what was going on  ..  I have dealt with "Raider" for a long time. I never left him in the dark, explaining to him every step of the way the situation ..  it would appear he has turned this around on me  .. it's sour grapes  ..  nothing more  ..  but rest assured  ..  the next call he books with me  ..  he will be given the punishment he deserves ..  a spanking ..  naughty, naughty "Raider" acting out ..  bad boy!!  Enough said?  I hope so.

Melanie (and Raquel)
[email protected]
(954)346-3389

Do you think us professionals are sitting waiting for you to call us? NO, most of us work, are busy all day and book in advance so we can make that day easier for us since we know it will be a long and unforgettable one.

Raider was right and because you preferred a High Roller to him is what's wrong here. Is not about customer satisfaction but business the way you treated this issue and you were wrong even with one that is a regular for you.  Instead of abusing his friendship you should have stand by the booking and learn to say "Sorry sir but Raquel is already booked and you would not like for someone to do such thing to you right?" or whatever you can imagine if anything.

BTW, when you give someone an alternative make it a valid one not what you offered him that sounded like “Leftovers”. Show you class instead of your greediness. Each day you are sounding more like the ones that screwed you in the past.....Do I need to remind you?

Also, you had no right to put Ms. Sue Carson in this conversation as part of your lame excuses; you are fully responsible for your actions and no one else including Raquel.

My .02 cents...

Doc

-- Modified on 8/1/2002 5:44:50 PM

Hi-I never blamed or held you responsible or accountable Mel-and I wrote that in my post too-as I said also,this was Ivy's problem-she should be the one apologizing and trying to make it right-but didn't and hasn't-and thanks for the apology-it is appreciated,but not necessary dear-

as far as the Raider thing-maybe there is more here the we know?

-theplayer

-- Modified on 8/2/2002 7:07:09 PM

This hobby comes with many risks.... risk of being busted, both for the girl and her client... risk of being grossly disappointed by the performance received for the dollar spent... risk of contracting an STD....

We all know these risks going in.  And for all it's exposure and open discussion, we're still talking about a basically illegal activity.  So I always find it interesting when people assume that they should get the same type of professionalism and treatment that they get from Sears or Wall-Mart.  It ain't gonna happen...

I'm not defending anybody here, and I certainly understand Raider's frustration and thank him for his desire to share the experience with us.

My point simply is that along with the above mentioned risks listed as part of this hobby, it's an unfortunate fact that the chance of being stood up is another one of them.

And while I don't condone it, it certainly doesn't surprise me that given the choice of seeing a client for an hour or so and making $1000 vs. an all night meeting and making $5000, the parties involved opted for the more lucrative one.  While our goal is a fantasy fulfillment, the lady's goal is to make as much money as possible... Let's not forget that dicotemy.

Who among us hasn't stood someone up when a better offer comes along?   I'm in a commissioned occupation, and if I have an appointment to meet someone to finalize a sale that will net me a couple hundred dollars in comission, and at the last minute another client calls and says he wants to finalize a contract that will bring me a couple thousand bucks, well, I'm going to reschedule the original appointment, and I believe most of us would do exactly the same thing.

This may not be a popular opinion, but it is a pragmatic one

-- Modified on 8/1/2002 10:32:51 PM

I agree with the Doc.

While I'm a capitalist and realize that we're a
'money talks' society, there was a contract between
the ladies and Raider and he got hosed. The old saying
'penny wise, pound foolish' comes to mind. I'm sure she
made a ton off Mr. Big. But she lost a lot of potential
business with Raider and those of use who read this.

I hope Melanie never complains about being on an overbooked
flight and watching some very wealthy people waltz down the
ramp while she waits for the next plane - or heads out to some
dismal airport hotel until the next day.

If your business model is based upon the concept that you will not have any repeat business then it may make some sense to behave in this manner.  I work in a business based upon maintaining long term relationships and it needs to be handled in a different manner.  Based upon what has been posted here I don't think I would want to do business with the lady or the agency.

Doc, I myself would like to see a little more balance on this board, but I understand the problem which is inherent when trying to promote this aspect of the industry.

But I do appreciate your andor here. When the agency goes above and beyond the call of duty for a client, it should be noted and praised. Conversely, when they mess up it should be noted here as well. At the end of the day, I wouldn't want to do business with someone who treats their clietele as if they were walking ATM machines. Isn't that what strip clubs are for, anyway?

Also, in my line of business when I have meetings I never schedule them close but provide plenty of time for the unexpected.

You have no clue the type of offerings or alternatives RAIDER was given that were like "Leftovers". It is very easy for you to say because it is not you but I would like for you to go thru, truly what he went thru and see you reaction. Of course you will brag and say that you will agree but it is all B.S.

Safe Angels and Melanie were wrong and must admit guilt. I have nothing against Raquel since she is there to make money but if an Agency has her under contract for a given period of time they must act as such and insure that all customers are treated well whether it is a one hour appointment or a 24 hour appointment because you never know if that hobbyist with a one hour appointment will bring his buddies and others along and besides him will continue to promote the Agency while the High Roller might never use their services EVER again.

My .02 cents.....

Doc

-- Modified on 8/2/2002 7:10:24 PM

sounds like you did everything alright. i mean you kept your end of the bargin, hotel room, were on time, etc. most importantly you honored your word and that is worth so much more than money in the long run. those that know me know that if i give you my word - that my word is good. no matter what anyone says the other parties involved did not, it is as simple as that.  now say the shoe was on the other foot. you had given them a deposit and were seeing raquel after an appointment with a different provider, and this lady really hit it off with you and said i'm off the clock and don't have anything to do tonight. whould you mined if i stayed over.  then you do everything the agency did, called and cancelled, etc.  would they return your deposit?

Wrong.  The only right thing is to say is "no".  He had a appointment.  His being guilted into changing it to make life easier on the escort/agency isn't why he arranged the appointment time he did.  In the long run, treating all their customers fairly is going to be best for the agency and the escort.  If the first guy wanted a longer appointment, he should have scheduled one.

Falcon

I'm not quite sure what you meant by saying that I'll brag and agree....

But I think you missed my point.  I'm not saying that what happened was all right, I'm not defending anyone here.... and I certainly think RAIDER was right in posting his story.  I'm just saying that it shouldn't surprise anyone in this hobby when something like this does happen.

We've all heard stories about similar situations.... and worse, like when Cheapdick was stood up by JR Carrington after sending her a deposit and money for plane fare.  San Te ALWAYS makes the point NEVER to send a girl a depsoit, and for good reasons.

While I've also been lucky never to have been stood up, and if and when it does happen I'm sure I'll be as upset as RAIDER was, my only point was that when that occasion arises it won't come as a shock to me.

Ahhh! NOW you are changing the story and YES this type of situation happened to me but in either cases that you mention they were not stood up by another appointment but because the ladies are "SENIOR FLAKES" and it did happened to me with Alexandra Quinn, like I expressed on this board previously but in RAIDER's case we are talking about an Agency that prefered to honor a High Roller's request to a loyal customer that RAIDER is/was to Melanie and Safe Angels, the reasons why his issue was treated more for business than for Customer Satisfaction/Retention and the reasons why Melanie and Safe Angels were wrong and owe RAIDER an appology and more.........and the reasons why I encourage hobbyists to say it as is regarding Agencies and Providers with no exception. For example, Exotica 2000 has screwed up many times but as you can read on this board, they have made it up to the hobbyists in most instances, something that Safe Angels should have done to clean up their image/act.

BTW, it was not Cheapdick that got stood up by JR(Mrs. 45 Minute, NO DFK, Expensive, One Shot and NO DFK Escort) but the infamous and my mentor, Cheetah and for San Te's saying, I too would not provide, EVER a deposit under any circumstances, a plane ticket is more than sufficient as proof that we are credible.

My .02 cents......

Doc