I'm always amazed when someone preaches a sermon (often loaded with hyperbole and a severe distortion of facts) on safe sex, while always giving industry people a pass....Like only clients spread diseases...What BS...Speaking for myself, my lifestlye is FAR FAR less risky than a male porn star...I've pontificated on that enough previously, no need to repeat myself...

From time to time, on porn star Friday, someone will post a pic of a girl doing anal (BB) and some typical responses will be how great looking that girl is, or how beautiful her ass is, etc...No one ever gets holier than thou and passes judgement on her doing BB anal....Where is all the self righteous indignation then???...

I guess some people think male adult film stars deserve carte blanche while clients are subject to judgment and scorn...Even though in likely most, if not all cases, a clients lifestyle is overall much less risky...Some feel that (insert your favorite male porn star name here) is part of some "elite" (cough) profession and that only he is capable of doing BB...I don't know, when i think of an elite profession that requires special training/skill & that has special PRIVILGEGES I don't think of a male porn star...I think of an astronaut, NFL player, Secret Service agent, Army Ranger, Navy Seal, Cardiac transplant surgeon, etc...

Being preached at by OTHER hobbyists is like being preached about family values by Charlie Sheen...Some people feel because they wear a condom they are pillars of the community while someone who does BB should be put in a concentration camp...

I said it before and i'll say it again, whether your from red state Texas or blue state California, one thing all people have in common is the never ending ability to pass judgment, even when they are in NO position to talk....

Well, i politely disagree about the bragging part...I don't submit reviews anymore, i will no longer mention who i see on trips anymore, i very rarely exchange PM's (when i do its mostly about non-hobby stuff ie; politics, sports) what i do is my business, and what you do is yours...

Your hyperbole was to equate BB with Russian rolute...If you play RR, ones chances of getting struck are 1/6..HIV thru VAGINAL BB only is WAY more remote than that...And i think if you looked at the facts with intellectual honesty, you would see that to...

We can disagree, that's fine...As they say in Hawaii; "Ain't no big thing bruddah"....Nothing wrong with civil discourse, IMO...

With the reason AIDS/HIV scare in the adult industry, I understand that bareback is pretty much taboo. I am all for protection, I always bring my own for appointments. However, if I am going to see a PS provider, I want the porn experience, which is bareback. But I've never had PS experience. So for those who know better than me, and actually have, what are rules and trends with bareback PS providers? By the way, I already know recent STD/HIV/AIDS tests are necessary.

No porn star escort openly advertises as "bareback full service" or BBFS...and if they do...run in the opposite direction.
Some clients (us...) may choose to DISCREETLY inquire about BBFS AFTER they've established a repoire with a certain provider AND furnish an AIM test appropriately dated and authenticated! But those aren't gaurantees! There's something known as a 'window' period where HIV can be transmitted, but is not detectable in any serum test! Oh by the way, HIV can kill you. Its not like a bullet to the head, its insidious...it slowly erodes your immune defenses so that the slightest fungi and viruses that we take for granted every day rear up and envelop you!
Hepatitis C, is ubiquitus. It is present in EVERY body fluid...unlike HIV which is present in blood. Just remember that saliva, semen, and vaginal fluid may be teeming with Hep C next time your tongue is workin out! Hepataitis C can be treated with interferon antiviral therapy, BUT a large percentage of patients go on to develop fulminant hepatic failure...and die an excrutiating death...unless you can snare a spare liver, and take anti-rejection medications for the rest of your life...along with a cute zipper scar across your entire abdomen!
May I also remind you that its not only HIV (AIDS virus) and Hepatitis C that is at stake here...but Herpes virus NEVER leaves you! NO CURE. Only suppresant therapy. Its the gift that keeps on giving...and when you are older and your immune system isn't as tough, it rears up in the form of zoster (shingles) which can be debilitating. AND you'll have a hard time coming up with an excuse WHEN you pass Herpes to your girlfriend or wife the next time you have unprotected intercourse with them! There are also Varicella virsues that can render your loved one sterile, or increase their risk of developing cervical cancer as well! Woo hoo!
And let's not forget to mention Chlamydia, Syphilis, Gonorrhea as well if you don't mind pus coming out of your urethra, but fortunately, those can be treated with antibiotics!
If you want a PSE, get a kinky girlfriend, and get tested together and stay monogamous. If you want BBFS from an escort, go get a revolver and one bullet.
Or wear a condom.

When emailing her to set up an appt for a PSE also email a link to your AIM test and to be safe look at hers too..Now when doing this you have to show her your driver's license that way it can match your AIM test.I had an experience once when the lady literally called AIM (while holding my license) to verify my test results.

Rusty

There are a number of forum members who are open about it.

I will admit to being occasionally annoyed at statements like this:

"If you want BBFS from an escort, go get a revolver and one bullet. Or wear a condom."

Sex with a condom with someone who has multiple partners, many of whom have unknown disease status (since almost NOBODY I know of insists on a full exchange of test results with partners EVERY session, without fail) is hardly risk free (Google "asymptomatic viral shedding", for instance). While I am most certainly not endorsing BBFS, people involved in pay-for-play who lecture on the topic, and spend time hectoring the evil people who, after testing, engage in it, are throwing rocks from glass houses when it comes to the sort of responsible sexual behavior that minimizes disease transmission- you are still playing with a loaded revolver, there's just more empty chambers. The fact of the matter is people decide what level of risk in sexual activity is acceptable for them- and we humans like sex with other people, which is why we aren't all solo, disease-free masturbators.

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I am hardly preaching...

I've taken part in many BBFS experiences with PS providers.
I just don't openly brag about it on this board like you do.

I'm just presenting an alternative viewpoint. That's all. Like the author had inquired...

And I'd like to know exactly what was hyperbole?

Cheers.

Discussion in general terms is fine - but under no circumstances can anyone associate a name with the practice.

Absolutely no "I heard xxx does BBFS if she knows you" or anything of the sort.

but i would like to add, the odds of female->male HIV transmission is 1000 to 1
http://www.videojug.com/expertanswer/sexual-transmission-of-hiv/how-can-a-man-contract-hiv-from-a-woman-during-sexual-intercourse

Thank you. See these holier than thou posts now and again and every drinks the cool aid and falls in line.

You are exactly right, what I do with my private life is business. I don't post reviews either. I would rather pay for my VIP and don't deal with the hassle.

It is refreshing to see an honest post.

These girls are in the biz of having unprotected sex for money, often with guys who are gay or bi and doing it all the time. So, assuming you are willing to go through approriate testing as you indicate, you should be able to get what you want. I am not saying anytime from any girl, but it is out there.

Something for you to consider though. As indicated, the tests arent perfect. In addition to the HIV window, there are any number of things a girl can pick up in the up (30?) days that can lapse between tests. If she isnt working, her most recent test may be older than that. And certain things are considered so common or harmless they do not get covered in the tests. And most importantly, all this is probably irrlevant to you because while she may ask to see your test, she probably isnt going to show you hers because I believe (not certain) they use real legal names when testing which is info she probably does not want to share with you.

My advice to you if you go down this path, do your research on the girls body of work. If she has done anal, stay away. Lots of girls out there haven't. Better yet, get a UTR that only does solo or g/g on film. Harder to find and you'll have to pay up, but if you are looking for a one time experience I think the extra money is probably worth the peace of mind. As someone who has experienced the loss of sleep and anxiety over a broken condom, I assure you peace of mind is worth the extra effort and money dude.

Just one addendum to this:  there is a vaccine available to protect against getting shingles.

Even advanced (DNA by PCR) testing still leaves a 1-2 week (or more) undetectable window of "what's up." So if everyone was tested 24 hours before getting together, what he or she (incl. his or her) partners have been doing sexually over the past 2-3 weeks (and with whom) is really what matters.

As a Transsexual Porn-star, I visit Los Angeles about 5-7 days each month. I produce and act in various porn projects for my website as well as multi-girl sites and DVD projects. Even though 98% of what we do is condom only, we have stringent testing policies that meet or exceed porn industry standards. BB hardcore is a bit taboo in TS porn.

Between filming, I have other interests, both business and personal. Of the men who seek my time, many of them are "straight only" male porn stars, secretly looking for something different. It's not uncommon to hear a straight male porn star ask for or try to negotiate BB sex.

I don't know what drives the behavior, whether its "elitist" behavior, knowing most TS porn is done with condoms, or simply the little head thinking for the big head. But I guess since anyone actively doing porn gets tested every 28 days (I require my male models to be tested (Advanced DNA method) 72 hours before we do a film together), there must be some sort of an illusion of a safety net if it's kept between pros....

Get tested, stay tested, know your status!

xoxox, Jas

Please read "boneboybob's" post...It was a breath of fresh air, especially the "glass houses" part....

When i say i BBFS, it is VAGINAL only...I've said that more than once...I wish i could write in Mandarin, & Japanese, then i could get that point across in other languages...I have never done anal, or creampies...And i won't...So i'm confused by your post as to why your putting them in your equation....I probably spend more money on AIM tests than most hobbyists, additionally, i test at home as well...I have an annual physical in a few weeks, and an STD panel is part of the blood-work i will do before the doctor visit....Plus I'm 100% drug free, I don't even smoke or drink either...

Our good friend "Fast Eddie" has died and gone to heaven, but this board continues to go to hell with all the overly judgmental posters, when, as i said previously, NO (hobbyist) is in a position to talk....

Well Moose...I've got something to share with ya.

About a year ago, I met, through this board, one of my ATF's.  She mentioned in a text that she was down for BB and she had AIM results with her.  "Do you as well?"  I answered yes.  I met her, she never showed me her test results, I never showed her mine, she never even asked for them.  We were fooling around and she was about to pull me uncovered into her ass.  I was so turned on I would have blown right there...which would have meant she would have taken a nice big cream pie from someone that she did not even know!  


But I guess you have got all the bases covered right?  

Good luck out there.  Be safe, there is a reason we say that.

It tends to set people off because of AIDS- and most of the downside risk is on the provider, both STD-wise and, well, getting knocked up-wise (which is another risk that should give one pause for reflection- I am not sure I would choose a typical porn star to be my "baby daddy").

I tend to think we should approach responsible behavior in terms of sex practices in the hobby world from the POV of a public health issue, and realizing there's a continuum of behavior (and emphasizing making the behavior being engaged in as safe as possible, and making sure accurate information is out there so people can make informed choices- realizing other people's choices of what is acceptable risk are different than ours) is more productive than getting in people's grills about BBFS/BBBJ/sex with escorts, and so on- sort of like having needle drops, clean needless and injection sites for heroin addicts, rather than driving riskier behavior underground by being overly judgmental. Harm elimination is better than harm reduction, but harm reduction is good, and the enemy of the perfect is not the good.

Let's just agree to disagree...

My lifestlye is FAR FAR less risky than male porn stars...Why don't you lecture them...

Thats great.  You sound like you have it all figured out.  But my point about the anal and the creampie is that a well known provider was ready and willing to take one...from someone she didn't know anything about.  If that doesn't hit home with you, then by all means friend, I'm not going to spell it out for ya.  I was her 3 oclock, YOU could have been her 6 o clock.  Or the next day...or next week.  

It's not being over judgmental, or judgemental at all.  I'm just trying to let you know that even with your screening, you still don't know what you are getting yourself into.  Why you get offended is beyond me...


Good luck.

With what is at stake...do you really want to play those odds...for a moment of pleasure?

The risk far outweighes the reward here.