Politics and Religion

Time to start thanking Trump . . . .
coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 491 reads
posted
1 / 17

All of you that have gotten the vaccine should take a minute this week and thank Trump for pushing the vaccine along so quickly.  Virtually every Democrat, including Biden, Harris and Fauci last summer,  said it was impossible to get a vaccine ready in 9 months as Trump predicted last April.  The Dems said it would take a minimum of 2-3 years.  If Biden had been  in charge, no one would be vaccinated yet, so I call on  the Libs here to thank Trump for potentially saving their lives if they have already gotten the vaccine.  

 
With that said, there are Americans now that are refusing the vaccine because Biden and Harris convinced them during the campaign that a "Trump vaccine" would not be safe if ready so quickly and that they wouldn't take it.  Now that both of them have taken it, when Harris was asked about her prior position and the things she said last summer, her answer was, "That was just politics."  So playing politics with American lives is just fine in the Democrat play book.  

inicky46 61 Reviews 26 reads
posted
2 / 17

Because virtually NOTHING in your post is actually true.
1) The vaccine I got, Pfizer, was developed without any support from the government.
2) Please provide a link to prove "Virtually every Democrate....said it was impossible to get a vaccine ready in 9 months."
3) Same for the rest. Especially the utter bullshit about Dems saying a Trump vaccine wouldn't be safe.
Wow.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 19 reads
posted
3 / 17

funds to Johnson & Johnson and Moderna, the offer he made to Pfizer was to purchase 100,000,000 doses of the vaccine from Pfizer for $1.95 billion, which an option to purchase another 500 million doses at the same price.  It was a firm commitment.  The fact that the US did not have to pay anything until the vaccine was approved and ready for distribution does not mean that Pfizer was not motivated by Trump's commitment.    Do you think Pfizer would have been one of the first ones to hit the market if it were not for this guaranteed market for millions of doses that Trump gave them?  If they did not have a one-million dose guaranteed purchase, they might no have been so aggressive in getting it to market.  Yes, I am a business man, and this makes perfect sense to me.  Accordingly, you should be thanking Trump that you have received the Pfizer vaccine that he urged Pfizer to develop by making them an offer they couldn't refuse.

 
End, Part 1

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 23 reads
posted
4 / 17

of the MSM cast doubts from the beginning that the vaccine could not be ready by the  end of years.  Then they hedged that by saying even if it was ready, it would not be safe because it was developed so quickly.  Here's a link.  There are back-up links to corroboration within the main story.  

 
End, Part 2

-- Modified on 2/25/2021 5:21:26 PM

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 28 reads
posted
5 / 17

saying that she would not take the vaccine if Trump said she should because she doesn't believe it will be safe.  She says you won't be able to trust Trump  because he will muzzle the scientific community.  

 
End, Part 3

-- Modified on 2/25/2021 5:53:18 PM

impposter 49 Reviews 84 reads
posted
6 / 17

Trump tried to cut the research budgets of the NIH, CDC, etc. in every one of his budgets. Congress restored most of the cuts to keep basic and applied research alive in the US.  
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The mRNA vaccines are based on more than 20 years of fundamental research.  
http://www.news4jax.com/health/2021/02/12/technology-behind-covid-19-vaccine-is-years-in-the-making/
"It all comes down to this mRNA technology. Without it, the vaccine wouldn’t exist. But this technology is not new. Dr. Drew Weissman with Penn Medicine said it has been at least 22 years since he started developing the technology."  [Weissman will probably get a Nobel Prize for the science of mRNA vaccines.]
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Trump shut down the pandemic team left in place by Obama. Trump withdrew the US scientists embedded in Wuhan in October 2019, 2 months before the new and unusual pneumonia appeared on the scene. Trump's attitude was, Hay! If something happens you just them back ... as if technical staff once relocated to new jobs and new projects will just zoom back and get up to speed in one day. There is legacy knowledge that is lost when you shut down programs and try to restart them without continuity.  
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(The same applies to NASA engineers, computer programs (anybody remember COBOL?), etc.. Once you fire the experts, your legacy knowledge is effectively lost forever.)
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I have used a comparison that Trump would understand: If a golfer doesn't go golfing every weekend, he will lose an edge or bring back a bad habit. After 3 months not golfing, it might take another couple of months to get back up to peak levels. And that's just GOLF, not cutting edge science that advances with new knowledge, new results, and new methods every single day.  
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Left to his own devices, w/o Congressional pushback, Trump would have SLOWED vaccine development ... such as by directing resources to research on intravenous or oral bleaching.  
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Jonas Salk and Albert Sabin developed polio vaccines using cutting edge methods ... of the 1950s. Success took years.  Well funded gov research programs led to the ability to speed up vaccine development to weeks and clinical trials and testing to months. AND TRUMP HAD NOTHING, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA to do with those aspects of the vaccine programs.  
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Operation Warp Speed allowed the gov subsidized buildout of manufacturing and actual production to proceed BEFORE testing was complete. (A regular drug company would never produce millions of doses of a new drug until there was a LOT of clinical trial data to indicate it's likely approval by the FDA and its success in the market.)  If the testing had been negative, 100s of millions of dollars of ineffective vaccines would have been tossed and the next version would have been brought along. As it happened, the early choices of both the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines MADE BY SCIENCE BASED DATA ANALYSIS were pretty good and that's we have now.  
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Left to his own devices, Trump would be dead from his Covid infection.

Posted By: coeur-de-lion

All of you that have gotten the vaccine should take a minute this week and thank Trump for pushing the vaccine along so quickly.  Virtually every Democrat, including Biden, Harris and Fauci last summer,  said it was impossible to get a vaccine ready in 9 months as Trump predicted last April.  The Dems said it would take a minimum of 2-3 years.  If Biden had been  in charge, no one would be vaccinated yet, so I call on  the Libs here to thank Trump for potentially saving their lives if they have already gotten the vaccine.    
   
   
 With that said, there are Americans now that are refusing the vaccine because Biden and Harris convinced them during the campaign that a "Trump vaccine" would not be safe if ready so quickly and that they wouldn't take it.  Now that both of them have taken it, when Harris was asked about her prior position and the things she said last summer, her answer was, "That was just politics."  So playing politics with American lives is just fine in the Democrat play book.  

Beefman69 16 Reviews 23 reads
posted
7 / 17

That was intensely dumb and stupid post-You overdid yourself again :)  

 
And the nominee for dumbest and most comical post are: A) coeur-de-lion in post about ...., B) coeur-de-lion in post about.... , C) another member in post about ..... D) coeur-de-lion in post on "Time to start thanking Trump"

 
And the winner is: coeur-de-lion in post on "Time to start thanking Trump".

KCMOSHYGUY 11 Reviews 23 reads
posted
8 / 17

And because of COVID protocols, I'm staying over 6 feet away from it.

j4play 44 Reviews 26 reads
posted
9 / 17

Trump supporters in my social circle thoroughly educated and convinced me early last year with their well documented arguments that Covid-19 was a hoax manufactured by the Leftist democrat party, the Media, and Pharmaceutical Corporations.    These so-called "vaccines" have been shown to be killing far more people than the alleged "contagion," and most likely contain nano-synthetic microchips engineered by China, with the help of Bill Gates, to track our thoughts and actions and control our online activity.    So I will certainly not take any "vaccine" pushed upon us by the psychopathic Leftist cabal.

inicky46 61 Reviews 38 reads
posted
11 / 17

You have the gall to say Harris "would not take the vaccine if Trump said she should." Trouble is, right BEFORE that she said she absolutely would if FAUCI said she should. Anyone who took that as her scaring people about vaccines is a complete idiot. Not to mention she publicly got vaccinated BEFORE being inaugurated. Trump did not do that.
Also, Trump was the idiot who refused to wear a mask, infected thousands, and suggested people use bleach and light to fight the virus. He was a one-man campaign of misinformation and stupidity. So of course you love him.

inicky46 61 Reviews 39 reads
posted
12 / 17

It was under Biden the commitment for the second 100 million doses was signed. And, yes, Pfizer "would have been one of the first ones to hit the market" anyway. Why? Because there's an entire WORLD out there they knew would be clamoring for vaccines. So they committed to start the process earlier than most.

inicky46 61 Reviews 24 reads
posted
13 / 17

Then read everything below this, which rebuts EVERY point your propagandist pal made.

Robertini 4 Reviews 21 reads
posted
14 / 17

Years ago I agree to go buy some stuff for a bitch. I went to the smoke shop and ask for a incense burner. The guy hands me one of those and I go ohhhh! I might have said, it's not for me. LOL

Beefman69 16 Reviews 23 reads
posted
15 / 17

Posted By: inicky46
Re: Now I get it. You don't run a business. You write fantasy fiction. Because virtually NOTHING in your post is actually true.  

 
1) The vaccine I got, Pfizer, was developed without any support from the government.  

 
2) Please provide a link to prove "Virtually every Democrate....said it was impossible to get a vaccine ready in 9 months."  

 
3) Same for the REST. Especially the UTTER BULLSHIT about Dems saying a Trump vaccine wouldn't be safe.  
 Wow.
Someone needs to tell the RESIDENCE IDIOT (CDL) the following:

A)  Pfizer has been around since 1850 and CDL probably use their Viagra all the time. Pfizer refused the government assistance on the vaccine as Pfizer did not want get anything from government. Pfizer got Zero Dollars from NIH "National institute of Health".

B) Moderna Vaccine was partly funded by NIH (National Institute of Health) and according to New England Journal of Medicine recognized support from Emory University, Vanderbilt University Medical Center, the Dolly Parton COVID-19 Research Fund and other organizations. The NIH has been in collaboration with Moderna on mRNA vaccine since 2013. So Moderna had MAJORITY of it's 2.5B funding in research from NIH, Emory University, Vanderbilt University Medical Center and the Dolly Parton COVID-19 Research Fund.  

 
Oh Ya-Trump had no DISTRIBUTION PLAN. If Trump was in office, I believe only a fraction of people would have been vaccinated today.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 20 reads
posted
16 / 17

the second 100,000,000 does, but they wouldn't even be available unless Trump had made the first deal with Pfizer.  Trump is the one fucking this horse.  Biden is just holding his head.  

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 26 reads
posted
17 / 17

nor was it needed in 2016 when Trump was inaugurated.  You're comparing apples and oranges again.

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