between attractive, health conscious, business oriented women and responsible male citizens who knowingly consent to the sex for pay transaction.
But the sad truth is that there is a darker side of prostitution. No question about it, prostitution attracts criminals who traffic underage and even adult women; drug users who spread disease; and men who abuse prostitutes such as the Craigslist killer, a handsome pre-med guy by day and killer by night.
And let’s be realistic – you don’t really want your next door neighbor doing incall, do you? Anytime an agency gets involved, the temptation to commit other crimes seems irresistible – check out the Desert Divas and Miami Companions felony indictments.
The problem for legalization is how to carve out the socially safe practitioners of the oldest profession from those who have traditionally made prostitution a serious social problem. Morality no longer has anything to do with it. Unlike obscenity laws, prostitution statutes can no longer be upheld as advancing a moral code.
The best chance is to argue for very limited legalization – independents who engage strictly in outcall. But Coyote and most of the pro legalization groups tend to argue for blanket or far broader legalization which will never be passed.
But look on the bright side – if you stay out of Arizona, the penalties for first time offenses are quite mild and often there is no prosecution at all. Check out the former governor who is now a cable TV anchor. I’m still amazed at how he could violate state and federal prostitution laws so blatantly and publicly not even get disbarred.
The hobby is legal, at least partially, in almost the entire western hemisphere with the execption of the US. None of these other countries seem to be having any major problems with prostitution running amok.
There are many common sense solutions to every potential problem that you have referenced, such as zoning laws, number of girls at a location, etc. They work just fine, I can tell you from personal experience. I have hobbied in over half the countries in this hemisphere, and a few in other places in the world as well
nor the members of Congress. As far as I know, virtually none of our elected reps believe that regulation is the way to go here.
Of course the problem is even more highlighted by our national insistence on drug laws. If ever there was a case for regulation over prohibition this is it. Yet no candidate dares to float that one. So it is with prostitution.
But if you want to go double or nothing on that bottle of Krug you owe me, I'll bet that prostitution will not be legalized in our lives. Just make sure that I outlive you and leave enough in your estate to pay me off.
Sometimes I get so f'kin aggravated that the USA is so retartded to first of all, make this sport illegal and second, spend the gazillions of tax dollars they do having LEO try and "put an end to it." Does it take a rocket scientist to know they could make gazillions off of it if they legalized it? Dumb. Just plain stupid.
I watch some of those cop shows and see the "prostitution stings" and it just makes my blood boil. And the cops treat the customers like they just robbed a bank and shot someone. I know the people they're arresting on these shows aren't the same caliber as hobbyist but still...it's just so stupid.
I asked once where escorting IS legal and someone said it's a much shorter list if you ask where it's NOT legal.
Did I say all this before? Grrrrrrrrrrr! Ok, I'm done.
That way, it may still be on the books, but the law and the legislature and all the other do-gooders won't be fussing at us about it. If it's in their face, sure, ellie has to make arrests. But, as long as it's BCD, and no one gets hurt, then decriminalization makes better sense than out and out legalization.
However, I will agree w/ you about it won't happen in our lifetime. More's the pity.
Prostitution doesn't create crime, illegal prostitution does. Just like drugs don't create crime and violence, the underground drug culture creates this the same as prohibition did with alcohol almost a hundred years ago. Yes, I think we agree on this.
I'll go double or nothing with you, but with one caveat.
"During my lifetime, prostitution will be legal in the place that I live"
There are many winners in the "war against drugs", there are always winners when this much much is being spent. Unfortunately, we as taxpayers are the biggest losers. Billions and billions of dollars spent, millions of lives ruined, and for what? To protect us poor stupid folk from ourselves? yes what a travesty this whole war on personal behavior has become.
We may not be as bad as the Islamic states, but we sure aint free.
Just cross the border and go North especially Toronto. It is legal there as are sexy massage parlors where you get a nude oiled body slide that will drive you nuts!. Canada is more free than USA and unfortunately our (I'm a Canadian temporarily here for 1 year on work) national anthem does not include the worlds "land of the free".
Don't wait but just dash across and if you are a hobbyist would not want to come back. If you have the money also think of Germany and Czech Republic for their FKKs where it is not only legal but everything can be done in the open in the clubs.
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Sometimes I get so f'kin aggravated that the USA is so retartded to first of all, make this sport illegal and second, spend the gazillions of tax dollars they do having LEO try and "put an end to it." Does it take a rocket scientist to know they could make gazillions off of it if they legalized it? Dumb. Just plain stupid.
I watch some of those cop shows and see the "prostitution stings" and it just makes my blood boil. And the cops treat the customers like they just robbed a bank and shot someone. I know the people they're arresting on these shows aren't the same caliber as hobbyist but still...it's just so stupid.
I asked once where escorting IS legal and someone said it's a much shorter list if you ask where it's NOT legal.
Did I say all this before? Grrrrrrrrrrr! Ok, I'm done.
Agreed. Unfortunately in US the hypocrites who sit in Congress and make these stupid laws want to have all the fun to themselves and none for you guys. I don't say my country"s (Canada) law makers are any exception but at least it is legal.
I have no illusions of ever receiving so much as ten cents on the dollar of my SS money. As long as my contribution is capped at $13-15K a year or so, I can live with it. My fear is that idiots like WW will try to "save" the system by removing the cap and eliminating all doubt that it is not "insurance" but simply socialism.
I will confess, "if" they ever remover the cap, rather than paying 15% of every dollar I ever make, I will restructure my income and never "earn" another dollar. Every dollar I would claim would be either "passive income" or capital gain, and would be excluded from payroll tax. IOW if they get greedy, they won't get another dime from me.
If you're suggesting there should be no laws against drugs I agree completely. And not because drugs are a good thing. In fact, the opposite is true. I'm just a pragmatist. Like prostitution, it's human nature for some of us to use drugs. No law is going to stop drug use, any more than Prohibition stopped the use of alcohol. Drugs and alcohol have been used by man since prehistory. All the laws do by making drugs illegal is to drive up the price and thus deliver huge profits to drug lords and terrorists (how do you think the Taliban funds itsself?). So I'd say make all drugs legal and tax them. Use the tax $$$ to fund rehab for addicts that want it and to buy cheap caskets for the ones that don't. Then let the police chase murderers, theives and terrorists. Would it work? Who knows. It seems to be working in some countries but the jury's out. We certainly know the current laws don't work at all, unlless you're a drug dealer.
who rant and rave about the evils of "Big Government" but also say shit like: "We need the government to control pornography." or "Big government, get your hands off my Social Security" (an actual sign at a Tea Party rally). or "The government must ban all abortions." or "Schools must teach 'Intelligent Design' along with Darwin." or "We've got to cut the Federal deficit" but "Don't you dare cut the funding for my local school." or "We've got to cut the Federal deficit" but "I want state and federal funds to help repair my local beach." and on and on an on. No wonder large areas of this country are known as DumbFuckIstan.
Sex is the only free form of entertainment known to humans and many drugs grow in the wild. Drug and sex laws exist to control the markets for these activities. The capitalist class needs these activities to be regulated so that only they can profit from it. The capitalist class controls religion and through their elected lackeys, the government. There is no god.
its human nature for some people to commit murder, so as a pagmatist, since no law is going to stop all murder, it should be made legal. All the law does is drive up the prices for hit men....
its human nature to speed; repeal all traffic laws and allow everyone to drive at whatever speed they desire.
its human nature to steal. Make theft legal.
its human nature to be violent. No law is going to stop all assaults or rape. As a pragmatist, stop wasting tax dollars protection people from other people.
The whole point of laws is to punish human nature. If it wasn't human nature, it wouldn't be done and there would be no need for a law to deal with it.
I'm not necessarily claiming certain illegal markets should not be legalized, but the argument that it will happen anyway is a weak foundation to build on.
Ever heard of the Latin phrase "reductio ad absurdem?" In other words, if you distort a point too far you reduce it to the absurd. You suggest my logic argues for letting people murder? I don't think any reasonable person can agree with that arguement. In fact, what I said is the opposite of the point you've tried to make. Remember I said if we stopped enforcing laws against drugs and prostitution the cops could chase murderers? As far as I'm concerned prostitution and drug use are victimless crimes (unless you consider the addict a victim). As for your point about laws existing to punish human nature, I don't think that holds water. Unless you believe it's human nature to murder. I don't. Anyway, I'm not completely convinced I'm right on this. I just think it's worth considering. Thanks for your comment. At least it was thought-provoking.
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