more successful than others, go on to "establish" states, get great press and play the anti-Semite card with unerring predictability. And then, presumably, all is forgotten and forgiven. One wonders what Tony Blair really thinks of Israel's "founders."
Notice how "sanitary" are the terms used to describe this operation. You would think that this was a simple and inspiring bit of civil disobedience. Hmm, guerrilla fighters disguishing themselves as civilian workmen, carefully surveiling and infiltrating the target area, and bringing death and destruction to their enemies. Damn, that sure sounds a lot like, like, like...what's that word we heard sooo much of in the last decade that begins with a "T" and ends in "ism"?
this is from WWW.IsraelNationalNews.com [sort of like the NewsMaxx of the Likudists] and definitely one of my guiltiest pleasures.
I'll not remark upon how the recent terrorist bulldozer attacks occasioned this hosannah to terrorist acts past [even though they're never described as such]. But it does seem as those two attacks sure came in handy to put forth this little act of historical revisionism.
I'm especially amused about the part where the late Menachem Begin is said to have been troubled at the loss of life. What, not enough British and Arabs killed and wounded, my little late Likudist? And the part about civilian deaths being against Irgun policy, Oh that's rich. Except at places like Dier Yassin?
And that much vaunted adavance warning: 25 minutes according to this source, but 5-15 minutes of advance warning in most other sources. Yeah, that'll help a lot.
And the British didn't evacuate? Why should they? If they did that, the terrorists would have won. Opps, inappropriate and unauthorirized use of a tired cliche. Anyway, one set of terrorists did win. For now. But the decision is being contest right this very moment by the other set of terrorists who came up short.
To the credit of the proto-Israelis, this was a military target. So, if the Pallys ever get their heas out of their asses, stop attacking pizzerias and discos and nightclubs and farms and schools, get their their immense shit together, and manage to pull off an effective attack, like truckbombing MoSSAd HQ, I hope I'll hear no complaints from the Israelis. I mean, just look at whose illustrious example those pernicious Pallys would be following in that instance. But I'd be better off hoping to hear the phrase "wworld champion Chicago Cubs."
King David St. Attack Exactly 62 Years After King David Bombing
by Gil Ronen
The tractor attack in Jerusalem Tuesday took place near the King David Hotel, exactly 62 years after that hotel was bombed by the Etzel ("Irgun") in the most deadly attack against the British in their 28-year Mandate over the Land of Israel. The attack had been ordered by the headquarters of the united Jewish resistance movement, and was planned by Amichai Feiglin ("Gidi"), Irgun's chief of operations, and Yitzchak Sadeh, commander of the Palmach. Advance warning was provided, however, to minimize loss of life.
Irgun fighters gathered at 7 AM on July 22, 1946 at the Beit Aharon Talmud Torah in Jerusalem. It was only when the briefing began that the assembled fighters discovered that they were going to strike at the King David Hotel, which housed the Mandate Secretariat, the British military headquarters and a branch of the Criminal Investigation Division of the Palestine Police.
The strike force left in a van, loaded with seven milk churns, each containing 50 kilograms of explosives and special detonators. The commander of the operation, Yisrael Levi ("Gidon") was disguised as a Sudanese waiter, and the other members of the unit were dressed as Arabs. The van stopped at the side entrance to the hotel, through which foodstuffs were brought into the La Regence restaurant in the basement. The Irgun fighters overcame the guards by the gate and brought the milk churns into the restaurant, placing them beside the supporting pillars.
Yisrael Levi ("Gidon") was disguised as a Sudanese waiter and the other members of the unit were dressed as Arabs.
Telephoned warnings were sent to the main switchboard of the hotel, the Palestine Post newspaper and the French consulate, but no evacuation was carried out by the British. Some 25 minutes after the telephone calls, a shattering explosion shook Jerusalem. The entire southern wing of the King David Hotel - all seven stores - was completely destroyed. 91 people were killed: 28 British citizens, 41 Arabs, 17 Jews, and five others. Around 45 people were injured.
Why didn't the British evacuate?
Since the bombing, much controversy has ensued over the issues of whether and when warnings were sent and how the British authorities responded. According to Irgun leader Menachem Begin, who later became Prime Minister, the British had been warned of the bombing but refused to evacuate the building because of the attitude "we don't take orders from the Jews." Other accounts estimated that the British did not take the warning seriously because they did not believe the Irgun could infiltrate their heavily-guarded HQ.
Yet another explanation that has been offered is that the British took the threat seriously, but decided to make martyrs of their workers and vilify the Jewish resistance by allowing the explosion to occur.
British Prime Minister Clement Attlee commented on the attack to the House of Commons, calling it a "dastardly outrage." The Chief Secretary for the Government of Palestine, Sir John Shaw, declared that most of the dead had been members of the Secretariat staff: "British, Arabs, Jews, Greeks, Armenians; senior officers, police, my orderly, my chauffeur, messengers, guards, men and women - young and old - they were my friends."
The Jewish political leadership publicly condemned these attacks. The Jewish Agency expressed "their feelings of horror at the base and unparalleled act perpetrated today by a gang of criminals", ignoring the fact that it was the united resistance movement which had ordered the attack.
Begin upset at casualties
The Irgun issued an initial statement accepting responsibility for the attack, blaming the British for the deaths due to their failure to respond to the warning and mourning the Jewish victims. Begin reportedly was very upset that the British did not evacuate and that there were civilian casualties, which was against the Irgun's policy. The Irgun's radio network announced that it would mourn for the Jewish victims. It would not mourn for the British.
"They will be punishing the Jews in the way the race dislikes as much as any by striking at their pockets and showing our contempt for them."
ish ones, though, because Britain had not mourned for the millions of Jews who died in the Nazi Holocaust.
The British army commander in Palestine, General Sir Evelyn Barker, in an order written only a few minutes after the bombing, commanded that "all Jewish places of entertainment, cafes, restaurants, shops and private dwellings" be out of bounds for British soldiers and officers. "I appreciate that these measures will inflict some hardship on the troops," he added, "but I am certain that if my reasons are fully explained to
them, they will understand their propriety and they will be punishing the Jews in the way the race dislikes as much as any by striking at their pockets and showing our contempt for them." The order was rescinded two weeks later, after much outrage at its "anti-Semitic nature."
In the days following the attack, over 120,000 citizens of Tel-Aviv were interrogated by CID and the British decided to imprison illegal Jewish immigrants to Palestine on Cyprus.
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Some things will apparently never change...
Washington will always bail out Wall Street and their deep pocket donors,
Xiaominglover1 will always find something negative about Israel and AIPAC in print to share with the good people of this forum,
And Doctor Gonzo will eventually take umbrage and post something in response.
Here is an article from the AP wires, written at least in part by some of the most anti-Israel pro-Palestinian "journalists" operating in the disputed territories of Gaza and the West Bank.
The people of Arafatistan and Hamasburg seem to be doing a real good job of proving my points for me.
Here is the article for those unable to click through the link:
Report: Torture widespread in Palestinian jails
By KARIN LAUB and DALIA NAMMARI
SALEM, West Bank (AP) - Majdi Jabour was beaten to the point of passing out by the Fatah-allied interrogators in the West Bank who accused him of ties to rival Hamas. In Gaza, the same fate befell a Fatah supporter who was bloodied in a lockup by club-wielding Hamas security men.
Two human rights groups on Monday decried widespread mistreatment and torture in Palestinian jails - an issue taking on fresh urgency with a new round of mass arrests over the weekend in both in Hamas-run Gaza and in the Fatah-controlled West Bank.
In conversations with The Associated Press, three detainees gave similar accounts and a doctor confirmed Jabour had been badly beaten.
The Palestinian group Al Haq and the U.S.-based Human Rights Watch looked at human rights violations during the past year, since the Islamic militant Hamas wrested control of Gaza from the forces of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas of Fatah.
In the past year, the security forces in both the West Bank and Gaza have carried out large-scale, arbitrary arrests of political opponents, the Palestinian human rights group Al Haq said in an 85-page report.
More than 1,000 people were detained by each side, Al Haq estimated, even before a roundup of some 200 Fatah supporters in Gaza over the weekend, following a bombing that killed five Hamas activists. On Monday, Abbas' forces in the West Bank rounded up dozens of Hamas supporters in apparent retaliation for the Gaza sweep.
An estimated 20 to 30 percent of the detainees suffered torture, including severe beatings and being tied up in painful positions, said Al Haq director Shawan Jabarin, citing sworn statements from 150 detainees. He said three died in detention in Gaza and one in the West Bank.
"The use of torture is dramatically up," added Fred Abrahams, a senior researcher for Human Rights Watch, a U.S.-based group that is releasing its own report on abuse later this week.
Jabarin, the Al Haq director, said that while he had no proof of an official torture policy, he believed that political leaders were indirectly encouraging abuse by looking the other way.
Abbas' prime minister, Salam Fayyad, acknowledged "shortcomings," but said human rights violations have decreased. "I'm not defending anyone, but I can assure you that we have treated flaws and don't allow violations. The upcoming reports will be better," Fayyad said.
In Gaza, Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum accused the Fayyad government of trying to destroy Hamas in the West Bank with U.S. backing. Barhoum acknowledged "mistakes" were made by the Hamas forces, but said that unlike in the West Bank, violators were increasingly punished.
Human Rights Watch also said that Abbas' forces need to come under closer scrutiny because of the massive international support they enjoy. Funding of Abbas' forces should be linked to an improvement in the human rights record, Human Rights Watch said.
"The international community has pledged $8 billion to the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and that gives them a heavy responsibility to make sure the security forces don't use torture and respect human rights," said Abrahams.
Two branches of the Palestinian security, the national forces and the civil police, receive training from the U.S. and Europe, respectively. Neither force was cited in the Al Haq report as being involved in abuse.
The office of Washington's security envoy in the Palestinian areas, Lt. Gen. Keith Dayton, declined comment on the Al Haq allegations, but noted that human rights training is part of the curriculum.
Colin Smith, who leads the European effort, added that "the Palestinians themselves are looking to restructure the security force into a more accountable, transparent force."
The Al Haq report described a series of methods used by interrogators in both territories. Commonly, detainees' heads were covered by sacks and their hands tied behind their backs. They were made to stand for long hours. Those who moved risked beatings on arms, legs and the soles of feet. Other methods included threats, humiliation and isolation in tiny cells.
Three ex-detainees - two from the West Bank village of Salem and one from Gaza - gave similar accounts to AP.
Jabour, a 33-year-old construction worker, said he was detained on Nov. 17 by Military Intelligence in the city of Nablus, near Salem. He said interrogators demanded to know where he had hidden the automatic rifle of his late brother, a member of the Hamas military wing killed by Israel in 2002.
Jabour said he insisted he had no ties to Hamas and did not know of a weapon.
He said that for the next six days, he was beaten severely with sticks and fists, including on the soles of his feet. His legs became so swollen and his feet so sore that he couldn't stand up, he said. He also was forced to kneel on glasses placed upside down on the floor and made to stand in the cold winter rain for hours.
Jabour said he was taken to Nablus' Rafidiyeh Hospital after an interrogator rammed a screwdriver into his back, making him pass out.
Dr. Marwan Jayousi, who examined Jabour at the hospital, told the AP that the patient's legs were heavily bruised and very swollen at the time.
"There were a lot of marks of beatings by sticks, on his back, on his scapula, shoulders, and it was painful," the physician said.
Jayousi said he prescribed painkillers and antibiotics, and that the men in uniform took Jabour away. Jabour said he was transferred to the General Intelligence Service in Nablus, where the abuse largely stopped.
Several days later, he returned to the Nablus hospital, where he underwent an operation for what Jayousi said fellow doctors told him was a perforated appendix.
After recovering from the operation, he was released without charges. Jabour, whose leg bruises are still visible eight months after his release, said the Nablus governor apologized to him.
Another man from Jabour's village, 50-year-old Hosni Jabara, said he was arrested by the Preventive Security Service in Nablus on Jan. 28, and was tied up in painful positions off and on for 32 days.
At times, he was pulled off the ground by a rope hanging from the ceiling and attached to his hands tied behind his back, Jabara said. He said he told his interrogators he's a proud member of Hamas, but that he has no knowledge of weapons, and he eventually was released.
In Gaza, a Fatah supporter said he was seized by Hamas security and beaten severely for several hours this spring, until he lost consciousness and had blood streaming down his face. After initially agreeing to be quoted and photographed, he withdrew permission, saying he had received new threats from Hamas.
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Associated Press writers Ali Daraghmeh in Nablus, Mohammed Daraghmeh in Ramallah and Ibrahim Barzak in Gaza City contributed to this report.
Doc's comment: Considering the barbarianism they employ on their own, I can only imagine how well they treat their Jewish prisoners. These are the people with whom the world expects Israel to do business?
-- Modified on 7/28/2008 11:18:44 AM
your return is certsinly welcome from this quarter.
can you get zianaval and some others to return as well?
-- Modified on 7/28/2008 11:48:41 AM
XL1, where have you been?
It looks like Moosie is getting his wish, the board has taken a definite left turn as of late.
I actually kind of welcome it, as long as it's lefties like Doc who have a brain as opposed to morons like Avenger and R2
to me it only counts when he posts as zin. but it was awkward when he lost count and showed up briefly in the Top 10 Posters tally.
I like Avenger1001. I find him funny quite often.
The majority of the Palestinians seem to be bloodthirsty animals who have zero tolerance for other cultures or religions. I have no sympathy for the Palestinians after I saw the celebration and dancing in the streets of Gaza on 9/11.
On the other hand Israel isn't the good friend they pretend to be. They need us more than we need them and they know it.
Blackbeltxxx"On the other hand Israel isn't the good friend they pretend to be. They need us more than we need them and they know it."
There are many problems in the past between the U.S. and Israel ......however I have never met a Jew who wanted to cut my guts out and make stew just beacuse I am American..
I had no sympathy for the Palestinians before 9/11..
Arab/Islamic terrorists don't limit themselves to killing Israeli or American citizens. They're setting off bombs in Spain, Indonesia, Turkey, Russia, Morocco, India, Philippines, Tunisia, Pakistan, etc. etc. The higher the body count, the happier they are. Doesn't really even matter any more if the victims are Jews, Christians, or other Arabs.