What about, "If you like your plan, you may keep it" promise? Even liberal outlets like CNN (not sure about MSNBC) called out Obummer on it as one of the biggest lies of 2013.
I mean seriously? Whoever this retard is, took two basic things from the plan like, "Covering of pre-existing conditions", and "No lifetime caps" and she is touting that she is pro ACA... Well here's the news for you. A lot of republicans did agree on it to begin with. So there is no debating there.
What about the health care costs that are going to spiral out of control, when you try and subsidize health care for everyone? What about the employer mandate, which is a job killer?
Now, go back to GD board and tell Tobi, what COPD is...
Perpetual dumbness and brain death is what happens when you drink Republican Kool-aid. Go back and Hannith, that should take care of remaining brain cells.
What fucking genius.
ACA has no longer remained a political, partisan issue. The law has done nothing to bring down the raising healthcare costs. On the contrary, it has done the exact opposite..
Go look at all the Democratic Senators up for re-election right now. They are up for serious uphill battle and are already distancing themselves from Obummercare..
Does the plan have some good areas, and some good provisions? Yes.. And surprise, surprise... They were agreed on by both the parties. But most of the plan in trash....
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It damn sure brought mine down so, futile argument as far as that goes. Besides, all the numbers are not in and other than dim wits like you and GaG, no one expected the costs go down in the first year. Any rational person knows that, it takes 2 to 3 years for any change to stabilize and cost go down.
Dumb fuck programmers don’t get that so, just write code and leave market and economics alone.
The underlying law is so horrible that the bad website and backend was a blessing in disguise.
Lets see if what you guys say is true. Only time will tell...
My investing less than 100K in pharmaceuticals, robotic surgery, and prescription delivery companies, you can more than keep pace with the rising cost of health care.
Is there any limit to how dumb he can get?
and yes dumbass I DO realize that "Op ed" does not stand for "opinion editorial" but it is by definition an "Opinion" piece, as opposed to an actual new article.
You said, and I quote
"it is not opinion you idiot"
Nowhere in that quote do you say anything about "your" opinion.
Just when I think you have reached the bottom, you turn around and "outstupid" yourself. Is there no end to your stupidity? Should anyone else even bother competing for this years SPOTY?
Dungman, Faggiot, and U'pleasedon't'DOit come here to play...
But I guess they are too stupid even to find this board...
He is arguing a point when the proof is right in front of his nose for everyone to see. Maybe BV was right and he really can't comprehend anything he reads, not even his own posts. If that doesn't put him at the top of the SPOTY heap, I don't know what does.
Because you are the biggest one on the planet. You and Curly are in competition.
Actually, if your insurance company dropped you plan, it's because it was virtually valueless. So with the ACA, you can save the money you would've spent on premiums, pay the token fine for not having insurance, and be just as well off as you were before.
But again again fails to provide any factual evidence to back them up. Pray tell wise sage....how has ACA increased cost other than the elimination of junk insurance programs?
The junk plans that you call were perfectly fine for millions of Americans. Tell me why a 50 yr old couple, who say is self employed, need maternity care? Why should parents have to support their kids until they are 26 yrs old unless they have some disability? Let those bums a job and have them pay or buy their own insurance? Why should preventative care be FREE? Why should anything be FREE? Well... Its NOT.. Because all of us are paying for it through HIGH premiums..
I will also say this that if GOP doesn't stop fighting between themselves and get behind someone like Chris Christie... Billy's Hilly will win in a land slide.. I will kill myself... Gambler will probably move to CR and then you dumbfucks can have the entire board to yourself... CPA will become a monk...
and paying an insurance company to cover preventative care is no longer insurance, let's at least start calling it what it is, "socialized medicine"
I don't need or want for my insurance company to pay for preventive care, I am perfectly capable of paying for it myself. Are people really so stupid as to think they are really getting this preventative care for FREE??? Just how dumb are you people???!!! never mind, rhetorical question.
When will people ever get the concept that insurance companies are simply casinos where the house always wins. You bet that you are going to get sick and need to collect, they bet that you will either not get sick, or that they will still collect more than they pay out. If they start paying out more than they bring in, they either start charging more, (increased premiums) or start paying less, (denied claims). This concept shouldn't be that hard to understand.
How the fuck do these morons think these insurance companies got their billions to begin with? No one seems to have much problem understanding that the casinos always win, why do they have such a hard time grasping the concept of insurance?
Otherwise reasonable student could never grasp the concept of long division.. Some people will just not get it..no matter what parallels you try to draw, and how much you simplify it for them...
And wait till Hillary gets here and it will be Medicare for all Socialized Medicine... The ultimate form of Socialized Medicine.
What did you teach? Developmental Algebra. If you knew real algebra, you wouldn’t be staring at screen for 8 hours a day
40% of Americans need a pencil and long thought to figure 18 % of $17.00 .
Half can't do it without a calculator .
Before my tutor taught me double digit mental multiplication I used simple math .
7x18 = 70+56 +1.80 = 3.06
If I'm too tired to do simple mental math or the service is good , I round it up to $3.40 .
Five bucks if she's pretty and smiles 
The thing I'm wondering about Government math ,how long before guys like me get a raise , making $10.10 an hour , with years of experience , when the minimum wage is raised to $10.10 for employees
with absolutely NO experience ?
Edited for spelling , my weak link .
And wait till Hillary gets here and it will be Medicare for all Socialized Medicine... The ultimate form of Socialized Medicine.
and we will get rid of at least one clue less person from the planet.
Dude...
Come...give me a rational answer. Unless you are a participant in a health care savings account, you have very little choice in what procedures are covered in a policy. And if you are employed, the employer is making the decisions as to coverage levels. So everyone one of those knuckle heads trotted out by Fox News saying they had lost their insurance because of the ACA, had worthless insurance to begin with and many didn't even know what they had. Furthermore, the most expensive part of health care occurs when you do get sick, so it makes perfect sense to invest in the area that would prevent sickness. Preventative care is one area that is key to cost reduction. Why do so many large companies invest in wellness and fitness programs. Because it saves them money
I will also say this that if GOP doesn't stop fighting between themselves and get behind someone like Chris Christie... Billy's Hilly will win in a land slide.. I will kill myself... Gambler will probably move to CR and then you dumbfucks can have the entire board to yourself... CPA will become a monk...
are at opposite ends of the planet.
Making idiotic points does
I do not have several hours to list them all but here are a few
Increased co pay increased deductibles, plan must include maternity care for all, even single guys etc.
and in many, many ,many cases (as in most) increased premiums.
The so called junk programs are as much a lie as are......if you like your plan you can keep your plann and if you like your doctor you can keep you doctor etc. etc. etc............Period
2014 = GOP senate and house
create a brand new, huge government bureaucracy, and NOT raise costs? What brain dead idiot thinks you can do that?
Ok, rhetorical question, we already know which morons still believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, they are the ones that believe in ObamaCare as well.
I refuse to pay for backstabber's af's et-al pap smear.
Thank you
2014 = 28
Nothing to back up except your brain dead opinion originated by other brained dead zombies of the same ilk
I was once fully on-board the Hope and Change Obamacare train. But I soon learned how it put the nail in the coffin of my brother in-law's private medical practice. Then recently speaking with a longtime friend who is 68yo, relies on SS, and sports a colostomy bag I learn that his "out of pocket" medical costs will go up nearly $2000/year.
I'm sure there will be converse scenarios where individuals and families will profit so to speak from Obamacare. But in reality it is much like a revision in the IRS tax code. Some people will profit while others will take it in the shorts. But worst of all it has robbed EVERY American citizen of yet more of their individual sovereignty.
The loss of 'Choice' diminishes “Hope”, and seems a very high price too be paid for “Change”.
you have a per-existing condition, is a bitch! Yes, the government can impede our choices, however there's very little being said with big business does so. 
any more than insuring your car AFTER you get into a wreck is really insurance.
If you want to make a pitch for completely socialized medicine, to ahead and do so, but lets drop the facade that it's actually insurance.
At least Charlie and Willy are honest enough to admit that they are respectively a commie and a socialist, why can't you just do the same?
I just want it to work... in my favor.
Just call me a partisan socialist. lol
Because I have BPH insurance companies don't want to insure me because I may have a higher probability of getting prostate cancer. I do not have prostate cancer, so in your analogy, I have not wrecked my car. And, when does a car insurance company refuse to give you car insurance because you've crashed your car, if you have repaired it? Bad, bad analogy!
I bet the insurance companies would love to "insure" you, but because you are a higher risk, they would naturally want a higher premium. But you would rather that I pay a higher premium to subsidize YOUR higher risk.
Insurance is gambling, pure and simple, with the insurance companies being either the house or the bookies, depending on your outlook. Either way higher risk equates to higher premiums, that's the FAIR way to do things. What you want is for "low risk" people to subsidize your high risk condition, and my response is FUCK YOU!! pay for your own shit, and keep your dick skinners out of my wallet. Or at the very least, be honest with your arguments.
insurance companies not insuring someone with a pre-existing condition. "Either way higher risk equates to higher premiums, that's the FAIR way to do things." I agree with your statement. I was will to pay more, but all the insurance brokers I dealt with said no insurance company was willing to insure me. You just don't get it do you. Millions of people were in the same boat until ACA.
That's OK though, I'm on Medicare now! Ain't it great! socialized medicine!
why don't you libs have the intellectual honesty to just say so?
and Government didn't have to make this huge power grab by taking over another 15% of our economy just to provide so called insurance to the uninsurable.
no health insurance at all, then I'll take the socialized medicine.
But that's where we're headed, guaranteed insurability regardless of driving record. Limits on maximum rates regardless of driving record. No limits on lifetime liability regardless of driving record.
however, with all the people I know, no one has had their insurance cancelled. I know plenty of people who have not been able to get health insurance do to a preexisting condition. I've known several people with 2 or more DWI's and never had their insurance pulled. They paid through the nose, but it was never pulled.
Insurance by definition is a contractual agreement to pay if a future risk occurs. Bc Obamacare makes the insurer pay for pre-existing conditions, there is no future risk to incur with respect to treatment for that condition– the risk has already happened.
Obamacare forces the insurer to pay for the treatment of pre-existing conditions as a condition to being able to operate in the market as to other insurable medical risks.
So I think his car analogy is apt. Hey, give him a break Matt- after being wrong on so many gun control posts, GaGambler was due to get one right LOL
It should be called Obamascam. It gives the insurance industry a license to steal. Health care should be provided by the state at the expense of the taxpayers.
but since this scam is clearly unworkable, I think this is just part one of the Fed's power grab, and you will get your wish in the not too distant future, and then the Government will have virtually unlimited power over our lives, Yep it will be utopia for the likes of you and Willy, who have wanted that all along.