: Politics and Religion Discussion : Wrong Jake.

Jinx_The_Cat 33 Reviews 3493 reads

posted 9 years ago

1 / 25

So at this point of this rapidly unfolding news drama, its pretty clear that Trump colluded with the Russians when he disclosed the humint source of ISIS activities and then called the recently dismissed FBI director a nut job, thereby confirming the effects of Russian planned interference in our government. While I enjoy calling him an idiot, thats just an insult. One of an infinite number Trump is worthy of. You don't get to be POTUS with the intelligence of an idiot.

So really, he's basically just a fool for himself. We all fool ourselves into being something we are not - its basic human nature. We know its just imaginative. But in Trumps case, his pathological ego drives him so irrestably to seek acceptance from basically whoever he is talking to at the time. Remember he kissed Comey the first time he met him in front of all of us. He played golf with the Japanese. Then, in a secret meeting with the Russians, Comey is a nut job. And by the way the Israelis have a rat in ISIS and maybe helping those guys wipe out the rebel alliance will help your buddy al-Assad; please adore me.

He's been this way for 70 fucking years. He knows any other way of getting through life and isn't interested in learning anything different. Besides, why would he? In his warped mind, he's the greatest human that ever lived. So I doubt Trump even realizes that he colluded with the Russians. But intention is simply not a requirement for the analysis of whether or not he is fit to serve. His entire existence is a pathological need for collusion with anybody he meets, just so they will like him. He certainly is unable to appreciate the consequences of his actions, because to a giant ego like his, consequences of his actions simply do not matter.

Its time to invoke the 25th amendment.

Sorry, no links, just my opinion. If you tell me how stupid I am, I will know how stupid you are.

Timbow 289 reads

posted 9 years ago

2 / 25

You are delusional if you really think that the 25th amendment will be enacted to remove Trump .....

so it is not wishful thinking.

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macdaddy1944 51 Reviews 238 reads

posted 9 years ago

3 / 25

25th amendment

i doubt it ever gets that far..he will be forced to resign when Paul..Mitch and the boys backing him up now realize he is a fucking menace to our democracy..this fucking nut job should have been Nixon' s demon seed..

Posted By: Jinx_The_Cat

So at this point of this rapidly unfolding news drama, its pretty clear that Trump colluded with the Russians when he disclosed the humint source of ISIS activities and then called the recently dismissed FBI director a nut job, thereby confirming the effects of Russian planned interference in our government. While I enjoy calling him an idiot, thats just an insult. One of an infinite number Trump is worthy of. You don't get to be POTUS with the intelligence of an idiot.

So really, he's basically just a fool for himself. We all fool ourselves into being something we are not - its basic human nature. We know its just imaginative. But in Trumps case, his pathological ego drives him so irrestably to seek acceptance from basically whoever he is talking to at the time. Remember he kissed Comey the first time he met him in front of all of us. He played golf with the Japanese. Then, in a secret meeting with the Russians, Comey is a nut job. And by the way the Israelis have a rat in ISIS and maybe helping those guys wipe out the rebel alliance will help your buddy al-Assad; please adore me.

He's been this way for 70 fucking years. He knows any other way of getting through life and isn't interested in learning anything different. Besides, why would he? In his warped mind, he's the greatest human that ever lived. So I doubt Trump even realizes that he colluded with the Russians. But intention is simply not a requirement for the analysis of whether or not he is fit to serve. His entire existence is a pathological need for collusion with anybody he meets, just so they will like him. He certainly is unable to appreciate the consequences of his actions, because to a giant ego like his, consequences of his actions simply do not matter.

Its time to invoke the 25th amendment.

Sorry, no links, just my opinion. If you tell me how stupid I am, I will know how stupid you are.

JakeFromStateFarm 228 reads

posted 9 years ago

4 / 25

I think you're correct in saying Trump does not realize he colluded with Russia..

The key words in the written summary of the meeting are not that he called Comey a "nut job" or even that he gave the Russians classified info about an iSIS mole. it's these words:
“I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”
There is simply no other credible way to parse these words other than that Trump fired Comey to squelch the FBI investigation. And the sheer stupidity of it is mind-boggling. First of all to even say it when he knew there was a note taker in the room. Second of all to gratuitously insult Comey when he should have known the FBI would learn of it. And finally, to think that simply lopping off Comey's head would stop the investigation. The abject idiocy of this man is greater than anyone could have imagined.

nuguy46 132 reads

posted 9 years ago

5 / 25

Isn't the real Russian conspiracy

involve Laffy's daddy....when he mouthed the words, 'after my re-election i'll be able to freely maneuver'....was he referring to his impending bailout of Russia's best friend, Iran? what else did his highness do to pay off the Rooskies??

Dfusethesituation 207 reads

posted 9 years ago

6 / 25

Nothing to see here folks, this isn't abnormal

Typical right speak

mattradd 40 Reviews 265 reads

posted 9 years ago

7 / 25

A Menace to Democracy! That's the bottomline!

Whether he committed a criminal act is not irrelevant to his removal, but neither is it determitive. Just whether or not he is a threat to our constitutional democracy. Of course the Republicans won't vote to remove him on that count, but if, as one Republican political operative said, the 2018 Republican's running for office will be like baby seals being clubbed ( a massacre). If it looks like that will happen, they will vote for his removal.

JackDunphy 182 reads

posted 9 years ago

8 / 25

Dershowitz has been clear on this point.

Even if Trump did collude with Russia, it is not illegal. I am still waiting for any proof that Trump did collude. Calling Comey a "nut job" may be rude, ignorant or inflammatory but many Dems said worse about him and calling Comey a name means nothing, legally or constitutionally.

Libs don't get this point. Comey worked at the pleasure of the president. Trump could fire him for ANY reason or for no reason at all.

Trump has acted like a jackass, threw his own peeps under the bus when he changed the reason for firing Comey and constantly makes this situation worse on a day in and day out basis...BUT there is still nothing I see as yet that will get him impeached nor do I see any crime Trump himself has committed.

mattradd 40 Reviews 220 reads

posted 9 years ago

9 / 25

Re: Ok for shits n giggles I wil play along

https://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/politics-and-religion-39/a-menace-to-democracy-thats-the-bottom-310832?page=1

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mattradd 40 Reviews 229 reads

posted 9 years ago

10 / 25

Re: Dershowitz has been clear on this point.

https://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/politics-and-religion-39/a-menace-to-democracy-thats-the-bottom-310832?page=1

-- Modified on 5/20/2017 12:12:45 PM

JackDunphy 134 reads

posted 9 years ago

11 / 25

Wrong Jake.

Dershowitz came to Trump's defense on this exact point again last night. Per Dershowitz, the "pressure" Trump could've well have been speaking about was media/political pressure the Comey investigation was causing, NOT pressure to squelch the investigation.

Remember, firing Comey did NOT squelch the investigation and Trump and his people certainly knew this as someone would take his place and continue it.

JakeFromStateFarm 240 reads

posted 9 years ago

12 / 25

Now you worship Dershowitz? What makes him automatically right?

That reply is the same as Spicer's lame attempt to make the Trump quote not look self-incriminating. So you and Alan are doing nothing more than mouthing White House talking points. I'm not buying it. Trump's words speak for themselves. And, interestingly, the White House could not simply deny he said it. They had to go to Step Two and invent another reason.

mattradd 40 Reviews 200 reads

posted 9 years ago

13 / 25

Honestly! Keeping Ken Star and Bill Clinton in mind,...B

and given the latitude Muller has in his investigation of Trump, and knowing Trump's history, do you truly believe he will not find something to compel Trump to resign?

JackDunphy 263 reads

posted 9 years ago

14 / 25

I believe he is as fair an arbiter as we have.

Last night he proudly stated he voted for Hillary. I don't see what's in it for him to take Trump's back. He has excoriated Trump in the past.

Look, you said "there is simply no other credible way to parse these words..." and I found someone respected by both the right and left to refute that claim.

Maggie Haberman, one of the three NY times reporters who broke that story, admitted last night on AC360 that there is simply no way to know exactly what Trump meant when he said those words as it was vague in nature.

Just seems like tons of reasonable doubt to me. coming from people I think you would acknowledge are not Trumpites.

ed2000 31 Reviews 222 reads

posted 9 years ago

15 / 25

Earlier I implied you were "wacky". Here you're not stupid, just ignorant.

Technically, it's impossible for a sitting President to illegally leak any classified material. By statute he has complete authority to declassify at any time, any information.

While it's still not clear what was said to the Russians in the Oval Office that day, it would be appropriate to call it collaboration not collusion. How about even "working together"? Do you know what he got in return? Politically speaking (or even from a national security standpoint), we can discuss whether it was wise or stupid, once we actually know what happened that is. Or more appropriately discuss what the final outcome is.

JakeFromStateFarm 267 reads

posted 9 years ago

16 / 25

It's OK to cite a different reading (and I like Haberman) BUT you can't say it "refutes" mine.

Actually, you have to stretch the meaning of the words in the memo further to reach Dershowitz' interpretation than you do mine, so don't say it "refutes" mine.

mattradd 40 Reviews 202 reads

posted 9 years ago

17 / 25

Clubbed like baby seals!

I have no plan. Just an observer!

Timbow 202 reads

posted 9 years ago

18 / 25

Also, good luck getting 290 House votes and Pence saying Trump is unfit for office under 25th.

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BigPapasan 3 Reviews 289 reads

posted 9 years ago

19 / 25

Dershowitz & Gonzo fellate Trump because of Israel...

...Otherwise, they can't stand him.

borabora 15 Reviews 207 reads

posted 9 years ago

20 / 25

Re: Here you're not stupid, just ignorant.

So, he is the ignorant one and you are the stupid then?🖇

And, Tramp is not at fault at all as long as he added UN to CLASSIFIED and sells the material to the Russians!!

Go eat more pretzels.🆖

Posted By: ed2000

Re: Earlier I implied you were "wacky". Here you're not stupid, just ignorant.
Technically, it's impossible for a sitting President to illegally leak any classified material. By statute he has complete authority to declassify at any time, any information.

macdaddy1944 51 Reviews 182 reads

posted 9 years ago

21 / 25

Re: Ok for shits n giggles I wil play along

18 U.S. Code 2381..

Posted By: Dr.Beeper

Re: Ok for shits n giggles I wil play along
Trump colluded with Russia to win. He got together with Putin, came up with the "lock her up" rhetoric (according to mad max Waters), got John Podesta to fall for the phishing email scam and then had wikileaks leak out all of the Clinton campaign emails, Told Clinton to ignore certain states, blah blah blah all leading to Trump winning. Trump and Putin had it all worked out and it all went according to plan.

Although totally immoral and reeks of political wrong doing, where is the actual crime? What is the actual crime? What is the statute that says this is a crime? Can ANYONE answer this?

marikod 1 Reviews 136 reads

posted 9 years ago

22 / 25

Right conclusion-wrong reason

TRump never declassified the classified info he gave the Russians. IF he had done so, the Post would have published it or we could get it by FOIA. So his power to declassify has nothing to do with it.

RAther he exercised his power to disclose classified info to the Russians.

Timbow 189 reads

posted 9 years ago

23 / 25

Yea, some real top secret intel CNN knew months ago.

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ed2000 31 Reviews 108 reads

posted 9 years ago

24 / 25

Semantics (at least for us in the P&R crowd). . . .

I can always rely on you mari to dot my i's and cross my t's. You are of course correct, but my point stands that the President won't ever be charged with disclosing classified information since he's the ultimate "decider" on what is or isn't classified and (as you point out) the nature of the classification.

With so many legal issues confronting the P&R masses lately, where have you been? My guess was you felt torn between telling the truth and defending Trump which of course lately are actually one in the same.

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User1994 23 Reviews 100 reads

posted 9 years ago

25 / 25

Nice try

Posted By: Jinx_The_Cat

So at this point of this rapidly unfolding news drama, its pretty clear that Trump colluded with the Russians when he disclosed the humint source of ISIS activities and then called the recently dismissed FBI director a nut job, thereby confirming the effects of Russian planned interference in our government.

As there is still not one shred of evidence of anything resembling collusion or anything else illegal, the only thing that is clear is that Trump is 100% correct in his description of the news media. Everyday the delusional Left drags this out will further discredit their most powerful arm - the "news" media.