Posted By: willywonka4u
Re: This isn't hard to figure out Imp.
Why were the Dems pushing like mad to have mail in voting? Why did we have mail in voting without it being officially put in place by state legislatures? Why were Democrats going nuts about Trump shutting down the Post Office? Every other government agency was closed down, and the Dems didn't care. They threatened impeachment over shutting down the Post Office. Why did the FBI open a censorship office to censor American citizens? Why did the FBI particularly target social media content questioning the integrity of the election? Why was there a pause in the vote counting in the middle of the night, something that Chris Hayes and other MSNBC hosts knew was going to happen before it did happen, and then suddenly a just in Democrat vote totals? If they were just counting legit mail in vote totals, then why was there no jump in Republican vote totals? How the hell did Joe Biden get more votes than Obama when Obama was filling stadiums and entire parks in 2008 when he gave a speech and Biden couldn't fill a VFW hall? When you had 2 Presidential candidates with extremely high negatives, there should have been a record low turnout. Instead there was the highest turnout of any election in US history, but in pure numbers and as a percentage of registered voters. And how did Democrats win the Presidency while losing seats in the House and Senate? None of that shit adds up. None of it.
This guy detailed the time article that bragged about the efforts to get rid of trump!
Posted By: LostSon
Re: Time magazine actually bragged about stealing the election!
This guy detailed the time article that bragged about the efforts to get rid of trump!
I didn't waste my time with the entire video. Basically, ...
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TRUMP LOST EVERY COURT CASE CHALLENGING THE LEGALITY OF THE VOTING.
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Based on the daily news updates, Trump is likely to lose the court case regarding fake electors in Georgia, too. Unlike the voting challenges where Trump or Trump surrogates were the plaintiff, Trump is the criminal defendant in the GA case.
The fact of the matter is that there was no investigation into the election tampering done by the Democrats. None. The FBI could have investigated it, but since they likely played a major role in the tampering, it probably wouldn't bare much fruit.
Are you talking about the FBI "Fuss Budget Investigators" from Mrs. Green's third grade class that gets their operating budget from their lemonade stand? Or are you talking about the FBI "Federal Bureau of Investigation" operated out of the DoJ? As far as I know, the Fuss Budget Investigators did NOT investigate allegations of election fraud beyond the very close contest for Head Cafeteria Monitor. The spaghetti sauce stains obscuring selections on several ballots marked for Mary Jenkins were deemed not to be outcome determinative.
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http://apnews.com/article/barr-no-widespread-election-fraud-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d
Disputing Trump AND WILLY, Barr says no widespread election fraud.
"Disputing President Donald Trump’s persistent, baseless claims, Attorney General William Barr declared Tuesday the U.S. Justice Department has uncovered no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could change the outcome of the 2020 election.
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"Barr’s comments, in an interview with the The Associated Press, contradict the concerted effort by Trump, his boss, to subvert the results of last month’s voting and block President-elect Joe Biden from taking his place in the White House.
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"Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys *****and FBI agents***** have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.” ..."
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YOU NEED TO OPEN YOUR EYES (and mind) TO SOURCES OTHER THAN FOX and OAN.
Posted By: willywonka4u
Re: Trump losing court cases doesn't prove anything.
The fact of the matter is that ****there was no investigation into the election tampering**** [YES THERE WAS!!] done by the Democrats. None. ****The FBI could have investigated it,**** [AND THEY DID!!] but since they likely played a major role in the tampering, it probably wouldn't bare much fruit.
So Bob Barr said there was no wide spread election fraud. Funny, because THERE WAS NO INVESTIGATION INTO THAT ALLEGATION. You can't disprove a hypothesis if you DON'T RUN THE TEST. What we do know is that 1) Bob Barr made it known publicly that he disliked Trump, 2) As Attorney General, Bob Barr was the executive in charge of the FBI and 3) We know FOR A FACT that the FBI was involved in SILENCING Americans, in violation of The First Amendment, particularly when they raised concerns and questions about the integrity of the election. We know this because it was revealed in The Twitter Files. Therefore, and this is where following the bouncing ball comes into play Imp, it doesn't matter if Bob Barr said there was no wide spread election tampering, because there is very good reason to believe that Barr himself was involved in the tampering.
Let's be perfectly clear here. People have expressed doubts about the outcomes of elections many, many times on social media. It was the Democrats entire song and dance after 2016. They brought in a special council to investigate it. The FBI silencing Americans, in violation of The First Amendment, was unprecedented. And it was done FOR A REASON. Now tell me Imp, suppose people thought that maybe someone had robbed a bank. And the bank robber said, "There is no evidence that anyone robbed a bank". Would that be definitive proof to you that no bank was robbed?
Like the other lefties here, you keep repeating the same idiot lawyered talking points. "Trump lost every court case, blah blah blah" It doesn't mean there wasn't election fraud. The courts did not investigate. No investigation was done. The courts just ruled against Trump in his wanting to look into it. "Bob Barr said no election fraud happened". Right. Said the wolf to the sheep. You fuckers even came up with the talking points of "the freest and fairest election in the history of ever" and questioning the election was "the big lie" and that's not when the FBI wasn't censoring people who said this. No one works this hard at a denial if you don't have something to deny. The election was stolen. The FBI was involved. It was a coordinated effort. The details of which will probably never be fully known. Do you know why, Imp? BECAUSE THERE WAS NO INVESTIGATION INTO IT.
So Bob Barr said there was no wide spread election fraud. Funny, because THERE WAS NO INVESTIGATION INTO THAT ALLEGATION.
Now it becomes obvious why others constantly call you a liar, sometimes a LIAR. As quoted above, "Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys *****and FBI agents***** have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.” ..." THERE WERE INVESTIGATIONS.
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3) We know FOR A FACT
"We know", "Everybody knows", "We know FOR A FACT", "An important man told me, he said, 'Sir, ...'", "A Big General told me, 'Sir! We have no ammunition!' I won't name him but you know who it is, a Big General ..." (a Big Imaginary General in an imaginary conversation that never took place), .... "We know FOR A FACT" that people who believe claims such as Trump's "everybody knows" claims are brainwashed idiots.
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Trump claimed in his phone call to Raffensperger, "There's no way I lost Georgia. There's no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes." I know willy believes that Trump won GA (despite multiple recounts and investigation of claims of dead people voting, etc.) but DOES WILLY BELIEVE THAT TRUMP "won by hundreds of thousands of votes"? Or was it only 5,000 or 10,000. Or was it 300,000?
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... it doesn't matter if Bob Barr said there was no wide spread election tampering, because there is very good reason to believe that Barr himself was involved in the tampering.
You do know that Bill Barr and Chris Wray were both appointed by Trump, right? But if that's what you want to believe, you can join lawsuits and other parties filing FOIA requests to bring proof to the light of day.
Let's be perfectly clear here. People have expressed doubts about the outcomes of elections many, many times on social media. It was the Democrats entire song and dance after 2016.
Hillary Clinton conceded the election to Trump on Wednesday morning at 10:30 AM. TRUMP IS THE ONLY PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IN US HISTORY TO REFUSE TO CONCEDE DEFEAT.
Like the other lefties here, you keep repeating the same idiot lawyered talking points. "Trump lost every court case, blah blah blah" It doesn't mean there wasn't election fraud. The courts did not investigate.
Courts do not investigate. Plaintiffs present their evidence to the court and ask for a ruling. PLAINTIFFS HAD NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE. (The courts did not consider an anonymous tweet about Italian satellites to be credible evidence.)
No investigation was done.
MULTIPLE investigations by numerous parties were done. The "wackadoodle" tweeter who convinced Powell that Jewish space lasers were flipping votes was "investigated" and she admitted to having visions and being dead but also being a living ghost or some other WACKADOODLE nonsense. Even FOX called Powell's source "wackadoodle" (behind the scenes but not to the public).
"the big lie"
Bannon announced the election strategy BEFORE the election took place: Claim victory no matter what. Do not admit defeat. Claim the election was rigged. Bannon's plan: "Throw shit, create chaos, confuse truth with falsehoods."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09jjIi88Sa8 AUDIO RECORDING OF BANNON
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The election was stolen. The FBI was involved. It was a coordinated effort. The details of which will probably never be fully known. Do you know why, Imp? BECAUSE THERE WAS NO INVESTIGATION INTO IT.
Yes, there was. Trump has the proof!
http://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2023/08/18/trump-cancels-plan-to-release-irrefutable-evidence-about-georgia-election-fraud-following-lawyers-advice/?sh=1253a2d45d81 Trump Cancels Plan To Release ‘Irrefutable’ Evidence About Georgia ‘Election Fraud’ Following Lawyers’ Advice.
"...Trump’s claim that he was in possession of “irrefutable” evidence of election fraud in Georgia was immediately rejected by Georgia’s Republican Governor Brian Kemp on Tuesday. Kemp wrote on X, formerly Twitter, that the “2020 election in Georgia was not stolen,” adding that it has been nearly three years since the end of the elections and “anyone with evidence of fraud has failed to come forward - under oath - and prove anything in a court of law.”..."
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http://www.npr.org/2023/08/18/1194559233/trump-cancels-press-conference-on-election-fraud-claims-citing-attorneys-advice Trump cancels press conference on election fraud claims, citing attorneys' advice
"... No compelling evidence of the wide-scale fraud Trump alleges has emerged in the two-and-a-half years since the election in Georgia or elsewhere, despite Trump's baseless claims. Republican officials in the state have long said he lost fairly and three recounts there confirmed President Joe Biden's win. "Rather than releasing the Report on the Rigged & Stolen Georgia 2020 Presidential Election on Monday, my lawyers would prefer putting this, I believe, Irrefutable & Overwhelming evidence of Election Fraud & Irregularities in formal Legal Filings as we fight to dismiss this disgraceful Indictment," Trump wrote on his social media site Thursday in announcing his reversal. ..."
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I will be replying far less to willy's posts. They are so non-sensical that I don't feel the need to try to convince others reading them just how wackadoodle they are. (That was accomplished in the Dominion defamation case against Fox which resulted in a $787 M settlement in Dominion's favor.)
Willy’s comment is actually correct, although he did not know how to articulate it:
"Trump lost every court case, blah blah blah" It doesn't mean there wasn't election fraud. The courts did not investigate. No investigation was done. The courts just ruled against Trump in his wanting to look into it."
What Willy should have said is that the swing state election lawsuits did not last long enough for the plaintiffs to obtain the discovery powers needed to determine if there was outcome determinative fraud.
Your comment
"Courts do not investigate. Plaintiffs present their evidence to the court and ask for a ruling. PLAINTIFFS HAD NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE. (The courts did not consider an anonymous tweet about Italian satellites to be credible evidence.)"
overlooks this problem. Of course, plaintiffs did not have fraud evidence when they filed suit – the election lawsuits were filed in the weeks after the election. The most they could do is allege fraud and point to isolated examples.
Nor did AG Barr or Krebs conduct any kind of meaningful investigation into the swing states. Read your own quote – they followed up on “specific complaints and information they received.” There was no federal audit of state election results.
Rudy was actually correct when he said in response “with all due respect to the Attorney General, there hasn’t been any semblance” of an investigation into the president’s complaints.”
Nor could DOJ conduct a meaningful investigation between the election and the date he made his comment. Duh.
In none of the swing state election lawsuits did the Court reach the merits of whether outcome determinative fraud occurred in the 2020 election. Most of the lawsuits were dismissed for lack of standing, inadequate pleading of fraud, and defective legal theories. Others were withdrawn by Trump. Moreover, many of the 60 plus Trump lawsuits contained no allegations of fraud at all. Rudy embarrassed himself by arguing fraud in the Penn hearing but then had to admit that the complaint did not even allege fraud.
I think the Arizona lawsuit was the closest one to address fraud allegations and the judge found the allegations failed to meet pleading requirements and the affidavits submitted were ambiguous.
The bottom line is we have to reply on state authorities to tell us if there was fraud in presidential elections. I believe them myself. Willy is entitled to take the other side. But the safe harbor deadline, or even January 20, is just too short to litigate this question or conduct a federal audit.
Thanks for your comment and attempt to explain things better. However, I still disagree.
Posted By: marikod
Re: Willy is not entirely wrong and you misunderstand both Barr and the election lawsuits Willy’s comment is actually correct, although he did not know how to articulate it:
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"Your comment ... overlooks this problem. Of course, plaintiffs did not have fraud evidence when they filed suit – the election lawsuits were filed in the weeks after the election. The most they could do is allege fraud and point to isolated examples." They had NOTHING relevant or credible other than FALSE claims and wishful thinking. "Thousands of dead voters!!"? THEY COULD NOT PROVIDE ONE VALID EXAMPLE. "Voting machines being hacked on the internet."? The machines alleged to be hacked were free standing and weren't even connected to the network. The famous "fake ballots being taken out from under a table."? They took a short clip from surveillance video that showed the boxes being taken out from under a table. They DID not include footage of how VALID BALLOTS were stored in the boxes and moved under the table before being taken out from under the table at a later time. (Some courts might consider submission of the snippet to be false or misleading evidence.) And the list goes on.
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You cited
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election which says, "After the 2020 United States presidential election, the campaign for incumbent President Donald Trump and others filed and lost at least 63 lawsuits ... Nearly all the suits were dismissed or dropped due to ****lack of evidence.**** Judges, lawyers, and other observers described the suits as "frivolous" and "without merit". ..."
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"... Trump, his attorneys, and his supporters falsely asserted widespread election fraud in public statements, but ****few such assertions were made in court.**** ..." [Because lawyers didn't want to be sanctioned, charged, or disbarred.]
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"... The Trump campaign suffered several setbacks on November 13, 2020. The Department of Homeland Security released a statement saying that the election was the "most secure in American history" and that there was no evidence any voting systems malfunctioned. *****Sixteen federal prosecutors assigned to monitor the election sent a letter to Attorney General William Barr saying there was no evidence of widespread irregularities.***** ..."
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Not mentioned in the wikipedia article was the fact that Trump hired TWO independent research firms to find election fraud. They found NONE and Trump kept their results secret.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/02/11/trump-campaign-report-electoral-fraud/ Trump campaign paid researchers to prove 2020 fraud but kept findings secret.
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"... Senior officials from Berkeley Research Group briefed Trump, then-chief of staff Mark Meadows and others on the findings in a December 2020 conference call, people familiar with the matter said. Meadows showed skepticism of the findings and continued to maintain that Trump won. Trump also continued to say he won the election. The call grew contentious, people with knowledge of the meeting said. ..."
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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3977965-second-trump-hired-firm-found-2020-fraud-claims-were-all-false/ Second Trump-hired firm found 2020 fraud claims were ‘all false’.
"... The Trump campaign hired Simpatico Software Systems and its founder, Ken Block, to investigate fraud claims all over the country after the 2020 election. “No substantive voter fraud was uncovered in my investigations looking for it, nor was I able to confirm any of the outside claims of voter fraud that I was asked to look at,” he told the Post. “Every fraud claim I was asked to investigate was false.” ..."
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"Nor did AG Barr or Krebs conduct any kind of meaningful investigation into the swing states. Read your own quote – they followed up on “specific complaints and information they received.” There was no federal audit of state election results." The Feds were monitoring elections in real time. Allegations were easily checked against what the Feds already knew.
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"Rudy was actually correct when he said ... Nor could DOJ conduct a meaningful investigation between the election and the date he made his comment." Giuliani was right there with Powell on Team Crazy. (Team Crazy and Team Normal were names created by Trump's WH staff, not the media.) Giuliani had NO EVIDENCE, only his fever dreams that the DoJ could not substantiate. Giuliani has since had his law license suspended, has been found guilty of defaming election workers by alleging that they had rigged the election.
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"In none of the swing state election lawsuits did the Court reach the merits of whether outcome determinative fraud occurred in the 2020 election. Most of the lawsuits were dismissed for lack of standing, inadequate pleading of fraud, and defective legal theories." AND A LACK OF EVIDENCE.
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"I think the Arizona lawsuit was the closest one to address fraud allegations and the judge found the allegations failed to meet pleading requirements and the affidavits submitted were ambiguous." and the Republican funded Cyber Ninjas recounts found NO FRAUD and even corrected some small errors that gave Biden an addition ~100 votes.
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"The bottom line is we have to reply on state authorities to tell us if there was fraud in presidential elections. I believe them myself. Willy is entitled to take the other side. But the safe harbor deadline, or even January 20, is just too short to litigate this question or conduct a federal audit." To date, including 2020, elections are designed to be safe and secure, to be rapidly authenticated, counted, and certified (e.g., counting ballots in local precincts and sending in the counts or in a larger centralized location, depending on the methods chosen by each state) and even REcounted multiple times and REcertified. Will there be even tighter security in future elections? Almost certainly. I'm sure that every voting center will be fitted with anti-satellite interference technology so allegations of such interference can be immediately refuted in a press conference outside the Four Seasons Landscaping and Porn Shop.
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Regardless of improvements in voting, there will continue to be contested elections. As long as the challenges are sane and rooted in verifiable evidence I'm fine with that.
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My current concerns are, years after multiple, detailed investigations, WHEN WILL TRUMP AND WILLY FINALLY GIVE UP THEIR BASELESS CLAIMS OF ELECTION FRAUD.
Whoops. I meant to include these links to the wackadoodle lady who probably cost Fox $787M or more:
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http://www.minnpost.com/national/2023/03/the-bourne-conspiracy-how-a-minnesotans-email-became-key-evidence-in-fox-news-dominion-voting-systems-lawsuit/
The Bourne conspiracy: How a Minnesotan’s email became key evidence in Fox News-Dominion Voting Systems lawsuit.
"Sent just hours after Fox News called the election for Joe Biden, Minnesotan Marlene Bourne’s wild email falsely claimed “a piece of software” was inserted into Dominion voting machines that would change votes for Donald Trump to Biden."
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2023/03/16/sidney-powell-fox-news-dominion/
At center of Fox News lawsuit, Sidney Powell and a ‘wackadoodle’ email.
"A day after major news organizations declared Joe Biden the winner of the 2020 presidential race, a Sunday-morning guest on Fox News was holding forth on exotic and baseless claims of election fraud — allegedly deceased voters, ballots supposedly lacking an option to vote for Donald Trump, an “affidavit” from a postal worker claiming to have postdated mail-in ballots — when host Maria Bartiromo pressed for more details. ..."
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"... One day later, though, Powell was back in front of Fox’s cameras, telling host Lou Dobbs that in Arizona, “there were 35,000 votes added to every Democrat candidate just to start their voting off. It’s like getting your $500 of Monopoly money to begin with when you haven’t done anything, and it was only for Democrats.” ..." [Anybody have any evidence of an extra 35,000 votes? Willy? Anyone? Nah, not me either.]
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"Still, it is that very first post-election Powell appearance on Nov. 8 — and what has come to be known as the “wackadoodle” email said to have inspired some of the segment’s particularly specific and bizarre claims — that legal experts say might provide Dominion with some of its most potent evidence. ..."
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Here is the 4-page wackadoodle email from the lawsuit evidence:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/ac73ed35-fccd-45df-bc49-4e1a8cd4b37d.pdf?itid=lk_inline_manual_23&itid=lk_interstitial_manual_34
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Marlene Bourne: 
Posted By: willywonka4u
Why were the Dems pushing like mad to have mail in voting? Why did we have mail in voting without it being officially put in place by state legislatures?
Legal. Challenged in numerous court cases by Trump. Legality upheld.
Why were Democrats going nuts about Trump shutting down the Post Office?
Because the changes in services were going to slow down and even cut back on mail delivery (no more overtime, etc.) at a crucial time during the 2020 Covid-affected elections. As I recall, the cutbacks went through and were not reversed.
Every other government agency was closed down, and the Dems didn't care. They threatened impeachment over shutting down the Post Office.
What?? I don't remember anything about impeachment. Trump's Postmaster DeJoy had numerous conflicts of interest and Dems wanted him to divest but I don't remember impeachment. There are still questions: "While he [DeJoy] divested shares in UPS and Amazon before taking on his role, DeJoy drew scrutiny for not divesting from his $30–$75 million equity stake in XPO, a subcontractor for USPS. Under his tenure as postmaster general, USPS has increased its business with XPO. Additionally, when DeJoy sold his Amazon shares, he purchased stock options in Amazon that represent between 20 and 100% of his prior holdings. USPS prioritizes Amazon package delivery. A subsequent investigation carried out by the US Postal Service's inspector general found that DeJoy "met all the applicable ethics requirements" related to his investments. As of August 2020, DeJoy and his wife had $30–70 million invested in companies related to the USPS according to a USA Today report."
Why did the FBI open a censorship office to censor American citizens?
What???
Why did the FBI particularly target social media content questioning the integrity of the election?
What???
Why was there a pause in the vote counting in the middle of the night, something that Chris Hayes and other MSNBC hosts knew was going to happen before it did happen, and then suddenly a just in Democrat vote totals?
Talk about a self-inflicted wound. EVERY analyst (media, think tanks, the DNC, the RNC, Biden campaign, TRUMP CAMPAIGN) knew from historical trends that Rep voters tend to vote in person on election day (the first votes counted and announced in real time) and Dem have many more mail-in voters, votes that are usually not opened and counted until AFTER the close of all the polls. That is what happens EVERY YEAR for the past many years.
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Trump tweeted early on (Wednes morning) that he wanted the vote counting to STOP! "STOP THE COUNT!" After he fell behind, he changed his tune to "KEEP COUNTING!" (which would include military mail-in ballots that take longer to be delivered from overseas and are often he last votes counted).
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http://www.vox.com/2020/11/5/21550880/trump-tweet-stop-the-count-votes-presidential-election Trump’s desperate “STOP THE COUNT!” tweet, briefly explained.
"... “STOP THE COUNT!” Trump tweeted at 9:12 am ET, after spending much of Wednesday posting a flood of misinformation on Twitter meant to make it seem as though Democrats are stealing the 2020 election from him. ... There’s one big problem, though — if vote tallying were immediately stopped in all the states, former Vice President Joe Biden would prevail in Arizona and Nevada, giving him 270 electoral votes and making him the presumptive president-elect. Not only is Trump’s talking point self-defeating, it’s completely inconsistent with what his advisers were saying on Wednesday and Thursday. ..."
If they were just counting legit mail in vote totals, then why was there no jump in Republican vote totals?
Because more Dems use mail-in voting than Reps. EVERY state confirmed that their mail-in voting was secure, reliable, and certified correct.
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http://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-11-05/trumps-mixed-message-stop-the-count-or-keep-counting Trump’s mixed message: Stop the count or keep counting?
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"... “I’ve claimed certain states and he’s claiming states and we can both claim the states, but ultimately I have a feeling judges are going to have to rule,” Trump said Thursday night in a statement rife with false and unsubstantiated claims of fraud. “But there’s been a lot of shenanigans and we can’t stand for that in our country.” ..." THE JUDGES IN EVERY JURISDICTION RULED AGAINST TRUMP, so Trump was right for a change.
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"... Trump issued a follow-up all-caps tweet falsely claiming that any vote that arrived after election day “will not be counted.” Twitter flagged it as misinformation, a frequent occurrence for a president who has leaned heavily on baseless claims of voter fraud. He amended that message during his Thursday night statement as he tried to square his contradictory message with another unfounded claim that counting ballots amounted to stealing the election. ..." I.e., TRUMP IS A MORON.
How the hell did Joe Biden get more votes than Obama when Obama was filling stadiums and entire parks in 2008 when he gave a speech and Biden couldn't fill a VFW hall?
I think that Trump asked the same moronic question. "Demographics." "Population growth." Common sense.
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US Population
2012 ~316,000,000
2022 ~336,000,000
20 million people!!! How can that be?? Fake news! Voter fraud!!!
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VAP = voting age population; VEP = voting eligible pop; %VEP = turnout as a percentage of VEP
Year ....... VAP ............. VEP ......... Turnout .... %VEP
2012 235,248,000 222,474,111 129,235,000 ...58%
2016 249,422,000 230,931,921 136,669,276 ...59%
2020 257,605,088 239,247,182 159,690,457 ...67%
What????
Of 222 M voters in 2012, 129 M (58%) turned out and voted.
Of 238 M voters in 2020, 160 M (67%) turned out and voted.
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Maybe Biden got more votes than Obama BECAUSE THERE WERE MORE VOTERS.
When you had 2 Presidential candidates with extremely high negatives, there should have been a record low turnout. Instead there was the highest turnout of any election in US history, but in pure numbers and as a percentage of registered voters.
Some voters vote FOR a candidate and some voters vote AGAINST a candidate. Trump sure brought out a lot of "anybody but Trump" voters!
And how did Democrats win the Presidency while losing seats in the House and Senate? None of that shit adds up. None of it.
Then you need to learn how to add.
