Politics and Religion

Why would I?
followme 6800 reads
posted
1 / 48

Again the NYT and the msm proven to be liars.

2018 = GOP All The Way  
For God and Country

JackDunphy 72 reads
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2 / 48

It's only been two months since this fact has been made public, so I am glad to see the "Old Gray and Senile Lady" keeps right on top of her corrections.

 
I wouldn't worry about it though NG. I have it on good authority by 2 P&R lefty posters that this latest bit of fake news was only a "mistake."

 
I was going to start keeping track here of all the "mistakes" by FNN, WaPoop and the Slimes but TER is telling me they don't have enough bandwidth. lol

mattradd 40 Reviews 59 reads
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3 / 48
voyager-43 11 Reviews 66 reads
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4 / 48

Everyone that has kept repeating this "17 intelligence community" meme obviously has no idea what they are talking about.  
Please do some research for yourself and try and think for yourself.  
Included in this 17 number are several offices that are generally just names at the top of the org chart. The Office of the Director of National Intelligence.  This is the "Boss"  The office does not gather or analyze any intelligence at all.
Another is the Defense Intelligence Agency.  Each military service has their own intelligence agency.  Think about it, what would the Navy, Army, Marines, Coast Guard or Air Force intelligence agency have to do with Russian civilians and US officials?  They have their own jobs to do and no budget or resources to go outside the scope of their charter.
A few more of those agencies are the National Reconnaissance Office. They take pictures. The DEA. They focus on drug cartels. There are more, with their own little piece of the world of intelligence.  
Get the picture?    
(Yes, I know what I'm talking about. I worked for one of those agencies)

balller 66 reads
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5 / 48

libs lie cuz the truth exposes their nonsense and  

cuz their stupid ideas don't work - never have

many lie when the truth would be easier - can't help themselves

MSM just repeats the lib lies that they didn't create themselves

when lies fail, they attack, insult and call names

predictable little fucks libs are

nothing to see here.

dog bites man.

ed2000 31 Reviews 71 reads
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6 / 48

Even within the 3 actual agencies that did participate, the conclusions were not made by the top of each agency but instead was the product of a handful of analysts, handpicked by Klapper. And even those conclusions were not equal. Two of the three (CIA and NSA) were not as conclusive as the FBI. And regarding the FBI, the fact that the DNC refused to allow their server to be examined by anyone but a private company that the DNC selected is just now coming out with more force.

-- Modified on 7/1/2017 2:21:32 PM

JackDunphy 95 reads
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8 / 48

How it takes the Slimes 2 months to correct a "story" is stunning,  

 
How many lib talking heads went on the cable TV circuit and/or wrote columns, bashing conservatives by using the "17 agencies" nonsense? And if you didn't agree with them, the libs called them "fake news" purveyors.  

 
I have no idea why they feel the need to exaggerate, as in this case, or just run with reporting that wasn't properly sourced, as they have done in SO many other cases.

 
Trump is a target rich environment so there isn't any need to gin up things and yet their desperation shows, on virtually a daily basis, in their innuendo based and factually inaccurate coverage of him.

 
The good thing is people are starting to wake up. Confidence in the media is at an all time low and we are down to Mari's weak effort to WK for CNN and his little Chihuahua Matt yapping to defend the indefensible. But that's about it.  

 
You know the lib media's credibility is shot when Jake the Snake can't even muster up a troll defense for them, so we are making progress, Ed. lol

mattradd 40 Reviews 91 reads
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9 / 48

Bottom-line, you started your screen, attacking CNN, by referencing an opinion piece from the Hill. You and it had some legitimates points, but you oversold the significance of them. What really came through is, the underlying, essential stimulus for your rant is, you don't like them because they appear to beating up on 'your boy.' I've got no problem with your perception, particular when there is evidence supporting it. Just own it, and don't oversell your legitimate points. Those times when CNN failed journalistic standards, should never have happened. But, what you and other righties typically fail to point out is, CNN did take corrective action. And, yes, I am hoping they learn from their mistakes! ;)

marikod 1 Reviews 62 reads
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10 / 48

Matt is my “little Chihuahua”?

 
How many big Chihuahuas have you seen, Jack?

I am seriously starting to worry about your sense of perspective.   So out of the 13 “intelligence agencies” that did not part in the evaluation, how many disagree with conclusion?

 
Can’t hear you, Jack. Could you speak up? So, in other words, regardless of how many took part in the assessment, they all agree with the conclusion which is what Clapper implied when he issued  

"The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of emails from U.S. persons and institutions, including from U.S. political organizations."

So Hillary and the Times simply reported what Clapper implied when he made this statement. Is that “fake news”? No, that’s called journalism.  

After Clapper disclosed that his statement did not literally mean all 17 took part in the evaluation, the Times properly made the correction. Since no agency dissented, this was hardly a newsworthy item that required a “next day” correction, was it?

Now let's see how long it takes you to make a big chihuahua correction.

JackDunphy 73 reads
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11 / 48

Would that have killed you? You had, and continue to have, many posts in that thread. Why the reticence to acknowledge those "legitimate points" at the time? You arguing all this to death, when YOU AGREED WITH ME on some points, just make you look silly.

 
Now, I could care less if CNN or any news service beats up on "my boy." To call him "my boy" is asinine on its face as I have said before, of the 17 people on the stage, Trump was my 17th favorite of the R group.  

 
That being said, they have every right to challenge Trump and hold him accountable. THAT it is their job, Matt. But it is NOT their job to use innuendo, lies and yellow journalism, things they would NEVER USE against Obama or any Dem, to attempt to being down a presidency.

 
And please stop with the insanity that CNN took "corrective action." Mari tried to argue that same bull shit. By that measure,  a news organization can get every single story they ever publish wrong, as long as they correct it. That is NOT the highest standard, Matt, that CNN claims they are. That is the LOWEST standard.  

 
That is NOT how the news media should act. That is NOT how it has acted in the past. It shouldn't just be another monkey in the zoo flinging poo against the walls HOPING its accurate. It should re-examine itself and make changes, especially in light of all the fake news they have reported. Six fuck ups, that I know about, in three weeks by CNN, is disastrous.  

 
Remember, this was also the same network whom their paid political analyst, Donna Brazile, was caught giving the  questions to HRC before debates. CNN needs to do better, but after that incident they did MUCH MUCH worse.

 
If they cared about getting things correct and their reputation, they would have had an emergency meeting of their investigative reporting staff after the first 2 or 3 and look into why the screw ups happened and how to avoid them in the future.  

 
But to go on as business per usual, and allow another 3 or 4 stories to break after that the fist few were proven to be false, tells me CNN, WaPo, and a few others simply have thrown the towel in re: journalistic ethics and truth telling.

 
Some of these "news organizations" have turned into nothing more then the media wing of the DNC. They have become just as corrupt, whether you want to admit that or not.

JackDunphy 74 reads
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12 / 48

It IS relevant that Hilary went out there with the "17 agency" lie. There was NO need for her to exaggerate it. The three would have been good enough, but no, she couldn't contain herself and the lib media ate crickets.

 
I can give Hilary a bit of a pass, she is a politician. No one really expects them to be precise with their numbers. They are born liars and exaggerators, and Hilary is worst then most of them.

 
But lets not absolve the Times here. That is absurd. The Times is an investigative member of the 4th estate with very deep pockets. And, at one time, had a very good reputation.  

 
But they do NOT get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to Clappers "implication." They have more then enough resources to see if the other 13 were in agreement, disagreement or simply had not made a judgment.

 
Stop being coy here. They deliberately let the "17 agency" gross exaggeration fly without fact checking it because it made the story look bigger and more substantive then it may have been if they said only 3 agencies where in agreement.

 
Odd how the liberal media doesn't seem to make "mistakes" that ever help Trump or hurt Democrats.

 
Why do you think that is?  

2465305 70 Reviews 63 reads
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13 / 48

Hillary had no where else to go. she had to lie, in fact she always lies. She had nothing to lose and went the way of a pathetic washed up loser politician who will be making her next speech in front of a judge telling him why she does not deserve to go to jail.

Posted By: JackDunphy
Re: OMG... it is irrelevant how many of them agreed.
It IS relevant that Hilary went out there with the "17 agency" lie. There was NO need for her to exaggerate it. The three would have been good enough, but no, she couldn't contain herself and the lib media ate crickets.  
   
   
 I can give Hilary a bit of a pass, she is a politician. No one really expects them to be precise with their numbers. They are born liars and exaggerators, and Hilary is worst then most of them.  
   
   
 But lets not absolve the Times here. That is absurd. The Times is an investigative member of the 4th estate with very deep pockets. And, at one time, had a very good reputation.  
   
   
 But they do NOT get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to Clappers "implication." They have more then enough resources to see if the other 13 were in agreement, disagreement or simply had not made a judgment.  
   
   
 Stop being coy here. They deliberately let the "17 agency" gross exaggeration fly without fact checking it because it made the story look bigger and more substantive then it may have been if they said only 3 agencies where in agreement.  
   
   
 Odd how the liberal media doesn't seem to make "mistakes" that ever help Trump or hurt Democrats.  
   
   
 Why do you think that is?  

JakeFromStateFarm 101 reads
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14 / 48

Judy Miller swallowed the Bush Admin's bullshit about Iraq's WMD program.  You know, Jackie, the one that didn't exist? Miller (and the Times) blew it so badly she got fired and now exists mainly as an "expert" commentator for Faux News. You know, that channel with the uber-high journalistic standards.

EuroModelsShown 60 reads
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15 / 48

That people believe "lies"?

 
I have to question your intelligence.

 
Do you believe people believe lies, or do you believe people go with the narrative that best supports their interests?

JakeFromStateFarm 49 reads
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16 / 48

People believe lies that support their interests.  It's not either, or. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
I don't question your intelligence because I know you have none.
Please start wearing a bib.

JackDunphy 128 reads
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17 / 48

IOW, you had to go back, what, 15 years or so to find a lib media mistake that benefitted an R president? How many can you point to in the Trump era? Any at all? And if by chance there was one or two, how would they compare to the dozens, or possibly hundreds, of reports from the lib MSM that have been debunked as completely false??

 
Now, as to your Judy Miller point, remember it wasn't JUST the Bush admin touting Iraqi WMD. It was, separately sourced, Israeli, Egyptian, British and German intelligence all saying the same thing.

 
Even Hans Blinx stated that Iraq probably had WMD prior to invasion. So if Miller was going to call out Bush for his "bull shit" she would have had to call out the 4 other nations as bulls hit as well.

 
Lastly, it was MANY MANY Dems, including Bubba, Hills, Gore, Biden, Albright, Pelosi, etc all claiming that Hussein had reconstituted their WMD program or would def reconstitute it soon, many of them made those statements PRIOR to Bush's presidency.

mattradd 40 Reviews 42 reads
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18 / 48
JakeFromStateFarm 74 reads
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19 / 48

And that was just the easiest of your many mistakes, Jack.  
1) I didn't have to go back 15 years, that was just the most egregious Times mistake in favor of the right that I recalled.
2) As for mistakes that benefit Trump, it's impossible to find any because Trump is such a self-destructive fuck-up. That's not the Times' fault.
3) Quote as many Reps and Dems as you want, they were ALL WRONG.
So glad you want to associate yourself with all those Dems who were WRONG.
Fair and balanced! That's YOU Jack!

mattradd 40 Reviews 60 reads
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20 / 48

you don't acknowledge it when I do, or it's not enough to satisfy you, so why waste my time?

He's your boy if you voted for him, and of the six hits you had on CNN, they were all related to Trump. OBTW, Project Veritas is the journalistic equivalent of Photoshop! ;)

Oh, and let's string up CNN for any error they made by using a single anonymous source. Not like Fox ever does that! And, who to hell are they going to fire, and how will we know they had, if the story proves to be untrue, when they are too yellow belly to even reveal who wrote the article. Really, Jack. Such a blind eye you have! ;)

JackDunphy 61 reads
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21 / 48

And not to look foolish or petty for two more. You admitted you agreed with several of my points eventually, so this is all just an exercise in childish silliness on your part.

I can see you diverting to Fox again but I will take that garbage on to. Fox does rely on single sourced info. But if they got burned numerous times over a short time, like CNN, WaPo and NY Times have, I would expect them to change their investigative protocols to save their reputation. Just common sense to me. And I will put Fox News division rep against anyone in the lib MSM.  

But it is amazing how you try to compare Fox, but then use apples to oranges comparisons. The piece you linked to is exactly what defenders of fake news would say to justify hammering Trump unfairly. Again, is it not single sourced reports that are the problem. It's getting burned by them time and time but continuing to rely on them to destroy a presidency.

Staggering to me you don't see the difference but not shocking.

And nice, ignorant and inaccurate smear of PV. Let me remind you it was PV that brought down ACORN. Dems voted with R's in a major bipartisan vote to defund them after watching all the videos.

Re: their recent undercover sting of the CNN debacle, CNN has not questioned the authenticity of the report, nor have they smeared PV, so why do you feel the need to do so? Think about that. ;) ;)

Yeah, I think we're done here. lol

mattradd 40 Reviews 52 reads
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22 / 48

I'm not the one who failed to put his big boy britches on, and have a cryfest about how evil and corrupt CNN is, or any news outlet for that matter, I have my ways of working around poor journalism that's more mature than yours! ;)

I see you didn't really understand my point, so I'll spell it out for you in more detail. In the past, when I've supported your points, it was seldom enough. I had to match you level of derision, contempt and disdain, or it was not received. I choose not to do so, in regarding this subject, so I will not waste my time! ;)

EuroModelsShown 53 reads
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23 / 48

You said Judy Miller, believed Bush admin lies about WMD.

No you believe that Judy Miller, believed the Bush Admin narrative?

Do you believe your argument, that's what I'm asking you.

Your response would prove to be a no.

You don't believe your own argument.

2465305 70 Reviews 33 reads
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24 / 48

That would be YOU...you seems to enjoy posting quotes and articles from the biggest fake news outlets on a regular basis......CNN, MSNBC, WAPO and NYTimes.

Posted By: Laffy
Re: Says the freak
who worships a fruit cake who thinks the National Enquirer should win a Pulitzer and believes every wacko tinfoil conspiracy.....as long as it's about the OTHER guy.  
   
 And who also heaps praise on Alex Jones.............

JakeFromStateFarm 57 reads
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25 / 48

Your last post was complete word salad.  Unintelligible.

ed2000 31 Reviews 64 reads
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26 / 48

Only the FBI and the CIA reported a high level of confidence. The NSA rated their level of confidence as moderate. The only choices are low, moderate or high.

And my statement stands that the DNC denied the FBI access to their "hacked" server.

mattradd 40 Reviews 46 reads
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27 / 48

Bottom line: I don't see many, if any, intelligence officials jumping up and down saying the Russians were not involved (camel). ;)

I don't see Trump being the least bit interested in finding out to what degree they were involved, and developing a plan on how to prevent them from doing so in the future (camel)! ;)

EuroModelsShown 56 reads
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28 / 48

Wanted the entire world to vote in US elections?

ed2000 31 Reviews 74 reads
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29 / 48

Everything I said is true as well. It's no surprise you can't admit it, but then again you are quite often not interested in reality.

 
My response was directed at marikod who was claiming the original "17 agency claim" was no big deal.  Actually it was a disingenuous big deal. Klapper knew from the very beginning that the U.S. Coast Guard et.al. did not as marikod said "take part in the evaluation". This also addresses your dismissal of the magnitude of the lie. These other agencies cannot offer any opinion if they were not involved in the evaluation. And after their boss's boss, DNI Klapper, made his original statement that they had agreed, they are not going to speak up to contradict him if the contradiction is simply that they have no opinion. But then again this is simply more reality that does not interest you.

-- Modified on 7/4/2017 11:57:47 PM

mattradd 40 Reviews 67 reads
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30 / 48

But, you're wrong about me not being interested in reality. I do like to put it all in perspective! I can acknowledge there are gnats, but I'm not blind to the camels, and give them more weight! ;)

ed2000 31 Reviews 41 reads
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31 / 48

It's not just your perception of reality that is flawed but you also lack a self-awareness and have an inability to recognize how you are embarrassing yourself. Could be your perceived gnats are starting to eat your brain.

mattradd 40 Reviews 74 reads
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32 / 48
nuguy46 91 reads
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33 / 48

the lefties have been shown as nothing but liars...so too their cohorts on the board....so eager to  punch Trump, they care not for accuracy, ethics, morality or just common decency. Looks like a group of Venezuela writers have infiltrated the USA.

2465305 70 Reviews 44 reads
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34 / 48

I can't believe how moron Dem. Congresspersons such as Al Franken quoted it at being 17.  17 is the new 3.....in snow flake math.

Posted By: JackDunphy
Re: I am beginning to wonder if the lib media should hire Breitbart as their fact checkers.  
How it takes the Slimes 2 months to correct a "story" is stunning,  
   
   
 How many lib talking heads went on the cable TV circuit and/or wrote columns, bashing conservatives by using the "17 agencies" nonsense? And if you didn't agree with them, the libs called them "fake news" purveyors.  
   
   
 I have no idea why they feel the need to exaggerate, as in this case, or just run with reporting that wasn't properly sourced, as they have done in SO many other cases.  
   
   
 Trump is a target rich environment so there isn't any need to gin up things and yet their desperation shows, on virtually a daily basis, in their innuendo based and factually inaccurate coverage of him.  
   
   
 The good thing is people are starting to wake up. Confidence in the media is at an all time low and we are down to Mari's weak effort to WK for CNN and his little Chihuahua Matt yapping to defend the indefensible. But that's about it.  
   
   
 You know the lib media's credibility is shot when Jake the Snake can't even muster up a troll defense for them, so we are making progress, Ed. lol

ed2000 31 Reviews 55 reads
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35 / 48
mattradd 40 Reviews 47 reads
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ed2000 31 Reviews 41 reads
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mattradd 40 Reviews 85 reads
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38 / 48

I hate to break it to you, Ed, but you are not the arbitrator of truth and reality. So give it up. Just stating so doesn't make it true, other than inside of your own head! ;)

ed2000 31 Reviews 57 reads
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39 / 48

You were just lecturing everyone on that yesterday. Hmmm.

 
You're right about one thing though. I've given up on you.

mattradd 40 Reviews 43 reads
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40 / 48
marikod 1 Reviews 114 reads
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41 / 48

his  claim that the “17 intelligence agencies” exaggeration is somehow a “big deal.”

        Did any person in the world change his conduct because he thought that the Coast Guard was on board with the intelligence evaluation? Did anyone vote for – or against - Hillary bc of her representation in the debate? Was anyone in the world harmed because the Times took a couple months to correct the technical error? Has the Times lost subscribers bc of the late correction? Will anyone but Ed and Jack even remember this issue in a few months?

 
I just checked with all 17 intelligence agencies and they all said “no.”

So while it may be a big deal in Ed's own mind, his inability to support this declaration shows that Matt is fairly criticizing Ed for straining at gnats- again

ed2000 31 Reviews 61 reads
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42 / 48

Whenever someone at the level of Director of National Intelligence LIES in the middle of a Presidential election, specifically for the purpose of aiding one party then it's always a big deal, unless of course you agree with the hoped for outcome. To claim it had zero effect on anyone goes beyond all credulity (and actually beyond the point) and to think this was Clapper's and Brennan's only instance of meddling strains one's level of believability.  

 
Anyway mari, welcome back to the discussion because I did notice you dodged my earlier response to you. Did you even bother to read the actual report I gave you? Did you notice that 1 of the 3 agencies (the NSA and the least vulnerable to Clapper and Brennan) only expressed "moderate" confidence in the conclusions? And no opinion regarding the DNC did not allow the FBI to even examine the "hacked" server at the center of the investigation? But by all means, join matt.  Unfortunately for him, he's not very lonely as of late.

-- Modified on 7/6/2017 6:45:10 PM

mattradd 40 Reviews 66 reads
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marikod 1 Reviews 60 reads
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44 / 48

I have no doubt that you personally believe it is a “big deal” but your post has been challenged on the basis that the technical misrepresentation and the Times delay in correction had no real world effect on conduct.

I can’t imagine how whether it was 17 agencies, or just 4, would have made any difference to anyone, unless in fact one or more of the agencies disagreed with the conclusion. But none did –please don’t tell me that “high confidence” as opposed to moderate is disagreement. I also can’t see how a next day correction after Clapper’s testimony by the Times would have made any difference to anyone.

No hiding behind rhetoric – “preposterous, strains credulity” gets you nowhere– just give us some actual facts to support your unlikely hypothesis, and I will be educated and I’m sure Matt will stop saying you are straining at gnats again. Well, maybe not sure…

User1994 23 Reviews 36 reads
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45 / 48

He's just shown you more proof that the liars are all on your side. Person, you really need to find a new passtime.

ed2000 31 Reviews 61 reads
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46 / 48

I'll be sure to stop in to say hello.

Posted By: mattradd
Re: lol! Now you've done it! You've sent him down the rabbit hole and,...
who know when he'll be able to extricate himself! ;)


-- Modified on 7/6/2017 11:04:31 PM

ed2000 31 Reviews 62 reads
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I already told why it was a big deal. The chief intelligence officer of the country fabricated a falsehood, almost certainly in an attempt to stop Trump. I understand your partisanship is trumping your patriotism at the moment. So sad that you actually appear to believe that a statement of “Two agencies believe it’s true and a third sort of believes it’s true” has the same effect and impact as saying that “ALL SEVENTEEN intelligence agencies believe it is true.”  

Unlike you, I’ll actually address your concerns (I actually have, just above, but let’s go again).  None of the remaining 13 intelligence agencies (the 17th doesn’t count since that is simply Clapper’s office) never spoke up for 2 reasons. 1) They weren’t involved in the investigations so at best the most they could offer would be “we have no opinion” and 2) They ALL worked for Clapper. You really think they were going to step forward to contradict their boss (even now that he is gone), simply to say “we have no opinion”.  

On the other hand, did anyone change their vote because of it? We could poll the tens of millions that heard Clinton espouse the lie during the 3rd debate on October 19th. No way to prove that hypothetical one way or the other you probably say? Well then you should speak up the next time Mr. Johnson surfaces when he makes the similar claim about Comey’s statements and Clinton’s odds.  I agreed with him that there was an effect on the vote. I guess you didn't

-- Modified on 7/6/2017 11:07:45 PM

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