For those who have forgotten, or don't understand the why of Obamacare, just read some of these personal stories.
I hate anecdotal stories that try to sum up a complex subject by talking to a half dozen people. So I'll wait for the CBO scoring on TrumpCare/RyanCare. Since this bill is worse than the earlier one scored by the CBO no doubt the number of people losing their health care will be additional millions.
Those people, many of them Trump voters, will be howling for revenge at the ballot box.
It tends to show the actual effect of a law, policy or any common experience upon actual humans. Of course you are not going to get a huge sampling in a 3 minute video or ten paragraph news story, but there are people out there in agencies, advocacy groups and providers that see it day in and day out. They see people almost every day struggling with deciding between getting a life saving procedure or feeding their kids. This includes the AMA, AHA, advocacy groups like AARP (which is non-partisan btw - it members include both parties) They are all against it based on that anecdotal evidence.
The fact is that its no secret the the Trump/Ryan plan is a cover for the tax cuts for the wealthy in the conservative budget plan (which is NOT the plan that recently passed). The whole High Risk Pool is probably the most tellingly proof of that. It is completely a "let them eat cake" message.
While the ultra conservative wing in Congress may be completely suicidal politically, most of GOP is not. The Senate has bailed the GOP in the house out of many embarrassing defeats in 2018 by rejecting outright. The Senate GOP will come up with something that will strikingly resemble Obamacare, much like Obamacare strikingly resembled Romneycare in MA. They will of course call it Trumpcare, because President Retarded Rhesus will sign anything with his name on it.
I sent him an executive order stating that my dick was the biggest dick in the world next to his and offered to put a little sign on my jockies saying "Trump Dick #2". He signed it.
I wish I could share it re the Senate coming up with anything that will "strikingly resemble Obamacare." Do you know Mitch McConnell personally? Like, well enough to tell him he looks like Yurtle?
As for anecdotes, I'll pass.
In college, I took one of those filler classes. It was on film and TV, and the societal impact, if any. It was a group project, and someone in our group picked an old 1950s TV show called "Queen for a Day". Show had mostly female contestants, usually married with children. Each woman had a more horrific story than the last. just like Matt's article. Polio, bankruptcy, you name it they had it. The show used an applause meter to determine whose heart wrenching story was more deserving of a new washer and dryer, or some stupid prize. It was depressing and funny to watch at the same time.
These types of stories are used by political parties all the time. The intent is simple....tug at your heart, scare you with the intent of parting you from your money. So yes, inevitably we are going to get a single payer system. I'm already paying extra taxes to support Obamacare. Not that I like because I don't, but would someone just tell me how much more of my money this shit of going to single payer is going to cost me. Just give me a fucking number, and skip the morbid stories.
do you really think these rich fat cats care about who lives and who dies??
For those who have forgotten, or don't understand the why of Obamacare, just read some of these personal stories.
Florida's budget makes drastic cuts to Medicaid funding. If Republicans health whatever it is called becomes law, there will be more cuts or really end to Medicaid funding. There are an estimated 73,000 poor in Florida nursing homes who depend 100% on Medicaid. Many of these have Alzheimer's. Wonder what will happen to these people.
May be we will get to see those good old days of "granny dumping" when sons and daughters used to drop their grandpa and grandma in front of hospital ERs and disappear.
Also the 11 states with most older people under 65 who have pre-existing conditions and now covered under PCIP will end up losing their coverage as they will not able to afford new premiums. All these states are red (W. Virginia, Alabama, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Missouri, Indiana, Mississippi) and voted for someone who had warned he will end ACA. With PCIP average premium with subsidies is around $316 per month and with ACA gone these people will have to deal with private insurers. Good Luck with that.
That's an absurd allegation. Never happened. And since you now despise FL as much as the rest of the country, remind me why you're still here?
Don't you have a plane to catch?
You are one of the ignorant dicks who challenge facts on this board! You want proof of "granny dumping" in this country, you got it. Now go to a nearest toilet, put your meathead down and flush it. That will do you good.
FL's budget is a record $83B this year. Why don't you look up how much spending on social services has gone up say the last decade. THAT is what I was referring to. Instead you post a NYT editorial about one older man being left at a dog track. Does that happen? Yup. Have "drastic" cuts been made to social services in FL? Why not look at the facts not some partisan editorial from "the failing NYT?"
You're a bitter, angry and failing in life. Why not keep your promise and head to Australia? And you are full of shit.
Read what I was writing about, go and I say it again to you dumb dick, put your shithead in a toilet bowl and flush! Again it was about Medicaid cuts in FL. Shithead!
FL opted out of the ACA? Could that be the reason all you peanut head liberals are so outraged? How's the ACA working out in IA, TN, VA, AZ etc? You'd rather have everyone on Medicaid? When you start paying taxes you can bitch.
And quit liking your own posts lol. It's so embarrassingly obvious.
And don't you have a plane to catch?
I would not be surprised to see other states (like NY) follow suit. If anything like the current Republican plan is made law, millions of people will lose their heath care, many of them in Red states. This could cause them to move to where the state health care is, i.e. Blue States, which is where most of the jobs are anyway. Those states then have more people employed and a bigger tax base. And, because population is the basis for House seats, the political influence of Red states wanes and that of the Blue states grows.
This will take a while but it could happen. It should have started years ago because those Red states are not getting their jobs back and are the biggest sponges off the Federal government -- and the Blue states that send more money to the Feds than they get back.
I live there. We could do it because we are the sixth largest economy in the world. But if we do, I don't want to pay Federal taxes at all. We are taxed enough here and can run our own business without morons like Trump coming in here to try and pick our pockets more then we can pick his. At least Obama was share and share alike about it.
I don't want to pay Federal Income Tax either, for that matter I don't want to pay SS or the Obama Care Mandate to boot as I will never collect a dime from SS nor have I collected a single penny in health care benefits EVER, not a single fucking cent in my entire life.
So if we are going to be fair about it, I should be entitled to several hundred grand back from both the IRS and the insurance companies, but that's not the way shit works. I would be happy to simply slow the bleeding that you libs have caused me. Doing away with Obama Care would be an EXCELLENT start.
BTW, have you ever looked at your states balance sheet? I wouldn't be so eager to secede with all that red ink on your books. In comparison, Texas could do quite well for itself as an independent country,
California is a great state, with more natural resources than any other place I can think of, too bad your politicians have run and continue to run such a great state into an economic abyss.
Obamacare was doomed from the start. This next volley fired in 2017 is dramatically flawed as well, just in different directions. Too bad neither side can put down the politics long enough to actually address the real problem which is health care delivery costs instead of focusing almost entirely on the health care payment system. More competition in the delivery system is what we need. We need more doctors and nurses, as much as twice as many. We also need transparency, competition, innovation and reduced/revised regulation in the pricing of delivered services. Single payer is not a panacea. The best systems in Europe are not single payer.
...We will always have major problems with our healthcare as long as as private industry is involved, your health & mine should not be a source of profit for corporations. Most of the major problems from The American Healthcare act were created by trying to make a hybrid system with government rules & private corporate profits, we know from the experience of the last few years that won't work, so why waste all this time & effort to come up with a system that only addresses cutting expenses that squeezes out services like Medicaid for the lower wage earners. The 20% profits that the corporate healthcare & insurance industries demand are a major obstacle to getting healthcare costs down let's get rid of them & see our health improve.
Maybe your post is misplaced? I was talking about the healthcare delivery system which is still mostly private yet highly regulated. You are talking about the healthcare payment system which is already very socialistic (Medicaid and Medicare) while the remaining "private" portions to which you have limited your comments is also over regulated and almost nothing but an oligopoly. Socializing the payment oligarchy as you suggest is an overly simplistic, very partial solution and as I stated, the best European systems do not agree with you. They do agree with me though.
...Or we could get government out of the picture all together, get that free market competition going & then see how many grannies & people with chronic illness get shoved over the cliff, it's this simple the health of this nation can not be entrusted to people that want to make profit from it. As long we allow government to attempt to make a business/ industrial government hybrid the industry lobbyists will dictate our health. Our healthcare demonstrates a unique situation & I would not propose this kind of publicly controlled model for any other segment of our free enterprise system, but right now ya got ta ask yourself HOW'S IT WORKIN?
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Health care cannot be a profit making industry. People need medical care and RX, no questions asked. Just make it affordable.
Our present version of capitalism has regulations in all sectors. I never proposed (and no one proposed) getting rid of all regulation. But getting rid of ALL free enterprise in healthcare IS being proposed.
If total government control will work for healthcare then why not for other things you need like food and shelter?
for example, the State of Iowa will soon have no carriers willing to be included in the O-care program. And you want to debate the value of a program dying,, or dead ?? typical snowflake rhetoric.
You really are clueless.
Is healthcare a right or a privilege?
"Righties" DETEST abortion, but, the fucking minute the baby is born they do a fucking 180 and wanna IGNORE the baby - apparently they hope/assume that God will take care of it. But, since Repubs are mere fucking mortals....sorta...why, I'm wondering...WHY THE FUCK don't they care??? I can't FUCKING understand it
Can one of you fucking "righties" help me w/this?
As Donald Trump claimed in January, “We’re going to have insurance for everybody.” He continued, “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”
That, like so much else coming from these folks’ mouths, was a lie.
The bill passed by the House eliminates popular features like guaranteed price protections for people with pre-existing conditions, by allowing states to apply for waivers to remove these protections. Instead of universal insurance coverage, regardless of whether one could “pay for it” as Trump promised, the bill would move in the opposite direction, pricing millions out of coverage.
The A.C.A. had made a basic societal deal: The young, healthy and rich would subsidize access to insurance for the older, sicker and poorer. But this demanded that the former gave a damn about the latter, that people genuinely believed that saving lives was more important than saving money, that we weren’t living some Darwinian Hunger Games of health care where health and wealth march in lockstep.
Once again, the party that is vehemently “pro-life” for “persons” in the womb demonstrates a staggering lack of empathy for those very same lives when they are in the world. What is the moral logic here? It is beyond me.
Let’s cut to the quick: Access to affordable health care keeps people alive and healthy and keeps families solvent. Take that away, and people get sick, run up enormous, crippling debt and in the worst cases, die. It is really that simple.
Why is Ryan'TrumpCare a good fucking idea??!!?? I'll admit, I don't fucking get it!
But, it's fucking comic -relief! Ryan managed to get this passed to get it off his "plate" and appease Trump AND because he's fucking tired of this fucking battle - he's managed to pass the ball to 3M (Moron Mitch McConnell)).
I fucking DON'T care how this plays out since I have United HealthCare FOREVER and I don't know ANYONE on ObamaCare, so, this issue is just.....fucking comical
It's fun-as-hell listening to fucking Repubs proclaim how/why 20+ million people NOT having insurance is an excellent idea.
Just a random thouht: but-for the Medicaid subsidies el;imitation, just what DOES Ryan?care fucking do? Answer" fucking zero(0) except save high earners - like me - from a tax
America: Whatta fucking country!!
Many people with pre-existing conditions will find insurance either completely unavailable or totally out of their financial reach.
And Medicaid will be cut back, with the damage worsening over time.
The really important thing, however, is not just to realize that Republicans are breaking their promises, but to realize that they are doing so with intent. This isn’t one of those cases where people try to do what they said they would, but fall short in the execution. This is an act of deliberate betrayal: Everything about Trumpcare is specifically designed to do exactly the opposite of what Trump, Paul Ryan and other Republicans said it would.
Which raises two questions: Why are they doing this, and why do they think they can get away with it?
Part of the answer to the first question is, presumably, simple greed. Tens of millions would lose access to health coverage, but — according to independent estimates of an earlier version of Trumpcare — people with incomes over $1 million would save an average of more than $50,000 a year.
And there is a powerful faction within the G.O.P. for whom cutting taxes on the rich is more or less the only thing that matters.
And on a more subjective note, don’t you get the impression that Donald Trump gets some positive pleasure out of taking people who make the mistake of trusting him for a ride?