is that Americans have had to ask themselves how they feel about other Americans doing this.

Nicole has been correct to point out that many Americans would condone this kind of behavior.  Those are the people who are being forced to see their attitudes condemned by the vast majority of Americans as being contrary to American values.

Hopefully, it is a wakeup call to them.

I think that there is a mind set that there are only 2 rules to war:

1) Winning counts.

2) other than rule 1 there are no other rules.

We'd all be speaking German.

Another is to expose the hypocrasy of "the Arab Street".

Those who are said to be whailing over this, are the same that danced in the street 9/11/01, cheering.

They are the ones who at best said nothing as 4 Americans were beaten, shot, dragged thru the streets of Fallujah, then burned like a hotdog, and strung up on a bridge for the whole world to see.

I could go on a long, long, time. But I won't.

And don't even get me started on your European "allies" that we pulled form under, first German jackboots, then The Soviet bear's claw.



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Just losers and the ultimate losers.  War is a poor imitation of change.  However, there are times when war is an answer.  The question is always "Is it the right answer?"  History usually answers the question.

the Iraqi mistreatment is comparable to college hazing?!

For some reason, Clinton having oral sex in the White House was a federal issue, but the Iraqi mistreatment is, as they say in Hawaii, "ain't no big thing bruddah".....Oh, ok, Mr. right-wing hypocrite...

Sean & Rush made #4 this week with their insane takes.....

are no different than calling this college hazing. You have conviently forgotten the Chief Law Enforcement Officer lied in a civil depostion. He was NOT disbarred for getting head.

Remember that next time one of our lady friends gets popped and we all whine, "Cops Lie"!

I truly believe the seeds of Bush were sewn from the defense of Clinton.

see my reply to 10 feeds down

learned the truth about their loved ones' deaths - that kind of information can be important for closure.

It was very fortunate for those your father helped to save that he was able to rescue them.

What I was trying to do, and yes I should have worded it better, was that if the Iraqi mistreatment would have occured under Clinton; Limbaugh, Hannity, & others WOULD NOT have said that it was just college hazing or a fraternity prank, etc.....They would have made it a very BIG DEAL....

Remember, these are the people that turned Whitewater into Watergate, turned a suicide (of Vince Foster) into a murder, & made a mountain out of a molehill on anything related to Clinton....

Conservatives are the self-righteous, led by the self-interested, for the benefit of the self-serving.....

And Al Franken, Paul Begala, and Alan Combes[sic} would be doing the same Texas 2 step the others are doing now, the same way they tried to portray Monica Lewinsky as a stalker till "the blue dress" showed up.

""Conservatives are the self-righteous, led by the self-interested, for the benefit of the self-serving.....""

And Liberals are humble, altruists, leading the advance of mankind?

But certainly NOT self-righteous...

Now I remember why I hate discussing politics.

BK

i meant 10 threads down and my comment in that thread

... Watch what happens.  Large portions of the country are against it for moral and religious reasons.  Many people feel that it is never effective.  The only arguments that defend it are pretty lame: to wit,  "the other guy did it too", "we are getting useful information", and "it's no worse than hazing".  

To the defenders you ask:  

"When is the fact that everyone else is doing it EVER a defense" to the first,
"OK, what is the useful information?" to the second, and
"Did you allow guard dogs to attack and bite the pledges?"  to the third.  

Sometimes people are either dumb, unwilling to admit they have a problem, or aren't EVER going to admit that an SOB like you could ever be right on anything.  They are essentially handicapped:  they can't adapt and learn from their mistakes.

The people will judge.  From the WH response, I think the admin is very concerned.  They should be. Anything they do/don't do that comes off as defensiveness or dismissial will be a PR nightmare.  People in the military don't like what happened and they are leaking details on this like a sieve.  The story will come out and some big heads will roll.

Harry

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Kenneth Starr spent 60 million or so of taxpayer money to prove a real estate transaction took place. Foster is a different matter altogether. Among other things, he allegedly killed himself with the opposite (non gun) hand.

Look, no matter who's running the show, our government is patently corrupt and out of control. But foisting the Halliburton administration upon us is cruel and inhumane.

Clinton's biggest sin was giving too much to the American public, shutting out the billionaires in the process. Witless fixed that in a hurry.