The million dollar fireworks were awesome but I need to tell you something.  The Firemen walking up the stairs are DEAD they didn't risk their lives, they gave them.  Please do your homework from now on.  I can't recite the other f**kups but you need to have your people do better.

I WANT 10 DEBATES CAUSE GEORGE BUSH IS A GOOD MAN.  And Tail gunner Joe McCarthy is a good man.  I am just about done with my research and I will post THE TRUTH ABOUT JOE MCACRTHY . He is a good man.  2 more days and I will post the truth

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Is this the best you can do in finding a "Dubya-ism" in Kerry's speech?  Kerry's term was absolutely, positively, correct, a no-brainer, even if he wasn't referring to just the survivors.  The firemen risked their lives: their volition, their choice.  They lost their lives, not their choice.  If he wanted to refer to only the people who lost their lives that day, he would have included the many who did not choose to take a risk on 9/11 but who still lost their lives.  So it was the risk, not the losing he was referring to.    

If you have trouble making these distinctions, then I could see why you might be prone to think of Joe McCarthy as a good man.  Do yourself a favor.  Save your wind, and just refer to Anne Coulter's book. I believe it says it all.

How have you survived to be a geezer craving leadership from such "good men?"  

     

So we agree on that.   Of course, as I said before, McCarthy was a disgrace, a drunkard, who had no regard for the Constitution, and deservedly died in the gutter.

It would be very difficult to convince me that any of the firemen who died while scaling the twin towers on 9/11 were thinking beforehand, "I am going to die if I do this".  They may have thought it was a possibility, but not a certainty.  Taking the risk they must incur as part of doing their jobs is what ultimately resulted in the loss of their lives; there is a difference.  It's also what makes them heroes.

But I think Kerry never thought about them nor cared about them at all.

"But I think Kerry never thought about them nor cared about them at all."

-How can you say such a thing.  I am sure that every single american cared on 9/11/2001 and still care about every single police officer, firefighter and civilian that lost their lives as a consequence of what murderers did to the Trade Center towers on 9/11/2001.  You should never speak with certainty about what goes on in the minds of a person because there is no way that you can truly understand that - you can only speculate.
    For myself, I know how I felt on 9/11/2001.  When I got word of the second plane hitting the building, understood what was happening  and heard about the first people losing their lives, some of whom jumped to avoid burning alive, I went through the next approximately hour praying that every person who could get out of those buildings got out.  I called a sibling who was living in New York City at the time to insure that he was ok, he was.  When I heard that both towers had fell and heard the estimates of the death toll (initially, I think that it was somewhere around 20,000 or 30,000 human beings), I sat numb as my office emptied of coworkers.  I could not go onto the web out of fear that the high death toll numbers would be confirmed.  I finally brought myself around to the point that I could go home, where I spent the first couple of hours actually laying on the living room floor with complete silence around me, given that I could not bring myself to access any information that would confirm the horrible death toll that I had heard about earlier that day.  When I could finally turn on the television and found out that the estimated death toll had dropped to something like 4,000-5,000, I was actually relieved - how screwed up is that.  So sir, that is how I felt on that day, hoping that the magnitude of the tragedy was smaller than what I had initially heard, dealing with my own tears and sense of loss and dealing with my rage at the type of people who I believed were responsible.  
    For you to say that you know that Senator Kerry did not care about the police officers, firefighters or civilians who lost their lives on that day is ulterly insane.  I believe he did care, deeply, as did every other US citizen and many other people around the world.    

When John Rambo-120-day-wonder-warrior Kerry got back from "Nam" he was dissing the people still there by calling them baby killers and war criminals.  He was still in the Naval Officer Corps as a reserve officer. Somebody should have court martialed him.  Plus he was talking to the North Vietnamese delegation on his own in Paris France and was advocating their position.  He should have been court martialed for that too.
Here's how John Kerry thinks:  me me me me me me me  me me  YYYEEEEAAAAAHHHHHHH

In which case, the only way to have said it was "risked their lives."  And no, I'm not playing mind games with you.  He definitely said it the correct way.

/Zin

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that is much stronger and targets another part of the head.

It only describes why you don't value the sympathy he expresses about it. But I guess he can never be a compassionate conservative like Rush Limbaugh, or Ann Coulter.  

As for what he said about the war, how could it be that the US was able to inflict 2 million casualties on the North Vietnamese and *not* commit atrocities?  Including baby killing? I remember some horrific pictures from our bombing campaigns, including the picture of the young girl with her skin burned off.  In other words, there was no doubt about baby-killing.

So, in other words, he was truthful.  And what he said was a no-brainer.  Any war there is will have those atrocities.  You're blaming Kerry for criticizing the US's biggest strategic blunder of the 20th century, releasing the horrors of war in such a place so senselessly?  For outing the shameful secrets about war that Vietnam veterans, like the World War II veterans, hoped to take to their graves? Citizens had a right to know the nature of war, so as to realisticly evaluate going to war.  For the most part, thanks to people like John Kerry, they do know it.  It's the politicians who take us to war but never go to war themselves, who don't know it.  

And even though he wasn't on active duty, you would bend the constitution and the UCMJ to arrest him as a traitor?  That's very Soviet of you Gopper.  A lot like bending the rules of the Whitewater investigation to look into a BBBJTC that wasn't a crime, until the investigation induced a crime in the accused.  Now that you yourself are on a board committed to reviewing BBBJTC, I hope you look forward to a liberal prosecuter in your future, one who believes in prosecutorial discipline.  It's a lesson conservatives are not able to learn.

/Zin  

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All those people who risked their lives and lived, who risked their lives and died and all those people who didn't risk their lives and lived and who didn't risk their lives and died.
NOW, answer this:  What came first, the chicken or the egg. And don't choke your chicken while your trying to figure it out.

-- Modified on 8/1/2004 8:30:21 AM

With the discovery of the structure of DNA and how that structure explains how traits are passed on, the old chicken and egg paradox was ended.

The egg came first because the animla which laid the egg that became a chicken was NOT a chicken.

I didn't even have time to choke my chicken figuring it out.  I set aside other time for that.

I could tell that paying attention to these distinctions frustrates you. They make a world of difference, though.

/Zin

Hey buddy-  you forgot a few points.  Vietnam was never a WAR for the US.  Police action/advisors etc.  So the VC/NVA were not "Enemies", so the US had legal problems prosecuting anti-war activity,.  

Besides-SOME US troops DID kills babies and act outside the bounds of regular combat.  So for some protesters about specific issues or events- that apellation was correct.

and after serving a full tour in the Gulf, I think you DO have to give a little props for a second tour.  In a war famous for "ticket punching" by officers, his activities DO set him a little apart on the good side. Not much, but some.

Once again, he doesn't have to be a very strong candidate at all to loom like half dome over and above the present crew.  Warren G. Harding does- and he's been discredited for over a century!  

In fact I think there are shoes in my closet that tower over Bush as symbols of American Power and capability.  And they are made in China...

I can't imagine any other explanation for Ann Coulter, other than that Mengele was more successful than we realized in creating the cloned Aryan Nazi fraulein.